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We need to clean it up, because it goes in so many directions I can't tell what is what anymore. OviraptorFan ( talk) 14:23, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Errr, does this really mean there are no lizards neither snakes in Canada? -- 195.148.184.89 ( talk) 04:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
The map is simply incorrect. Red sided garter snakes, for example, live as far north as Forth Smith, Northwest Territories (60°N).
Nathair Nimheil (
talk)
12:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Came here to say this.
Snakes I have encountered in Canada (specifically Alberta):
Western Garter snake (Thamnophis elegans)
Bull snake (Pituophis catenifer sayi)
Prairie rattlesnake (Crotalus viridis)
...and the beautiful corn snake I'm currently snakesitting, but he ain't from around here.
Ispollock (
talk)
01:40, 29 December 2008 (UTC)ispollock
We should really delete the map or change it... :/ (Comment made by a guest) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.221.122.58 ( talk) 13:59, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
It's great to have a new section on the evolution of squamates. However, the section would be greatly improved by citing sources (see citing sources and footnotes and by some copy editing. I don't feel competent to edit the section now, because I don't know the facts. If someone else could improve the presentation of information and provide sources, I could do some copy editing. - Enuja (talk) 21:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this should merge with the main Toxicofera page.-- 4444hhhh ( talk) 05:22, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Classification
Classically, the order is divided into three suborders:
Of these, the lizards form a paraphyletic group. In newer classifications the name Sauria is used for reptiles and birds in general, and the Squamata are divided differently:
The exact relationships within these two suborders are not entirely certain yet, though recent research strongly suggests that several families form a venom clade which encompasses a majority (nearly 60%) of Squamate species. The group is call Toxicofera. Toxicofera combines the following groups from traditional classification:
-- 4444hhhh ( talk) 15:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
We need squamate reperduction people. Look for sources, and get some info!-- 4444hhhh ( talk) 03:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and one more thing, we should make this page longer, not short (like the first version of the article) I mean, the other reptile orders are longer but not this one. -- 4444hhhh ( talk) 20:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay guys, I know what you said about me putting stuff with mis-grammar. So I'll do what Enuja suggested on my talk page. So, here's my revision version of diets:
So, what do you think guys? Any suggestions? -- 4444hhhh ( talk) 16:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I think something got mixed up or moved in the lead section:
... particularly visible in snakes, which are able to open their mouths very wide to accommodate comparatively large prey. They are the most variably-sized order of reptiles, ranging from the 16 mm (0.63 in) Jaragua Sphaero, Sphaerodactylus ariasae to the 8 m (26 ft) green anaconda, Eunectes murinus.
The "Classification" section needs to tell us why the lizards are paraphyletic and what other group(s) are misclassified (from a cladistic POV) within the lizards, as the article linked is a general "Lizard" article. Wayne Hardman ( talk) 21:35, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
The page intro mentions mosasaurs, but that's the last we hear about them for the whole article. Shouldn't extinct members of squamata also be included in the classification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.58.46 ( talk) 12:10, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
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Is there a reason the first sentence mentions lizards and snakes and not amphisbaenia? -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 21:34, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
I seriously doubt that there has been enough study of the > 3,000 snake species to conclude that each species uses different tactics! While I haven't been able to access the cited study, I suspect that it does not support this - after all, according to its own title, it deals with 'garter snakes', which account for c. 30 species, so < 1% of all snake species. Glevum ( talk) 18:31, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
The heading "List of extant families" seems to be wrong, somehow.
The lede makes reference to the clade Saurischia as an "Order". However, nowadays most palaeontologists consider Saurischia an unranked clade, and that is how it is generally treated here on Wikipedia (check the Saurichia article and its taxobox). The Ornithoscelida hypothesis also casts doubt on whether birds actually belong to Saurischia. Should the references therefore be removed? Zigongosaurus1138 ( talk) 01:19, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
These articles so heavily overlap in scope that its redundant to have both of them. We don't have separate articles for "frog" and the order Anura, just because some anurans are called toads rather than frogs in English (discussed in Frog#Etymology_and_taxonomy), we just have a single article entitled Frog, covering the entirety of Anura, including those called toads. I think the same should apply here. (I don't care about which title is preferred/which way round the merge goes). Lizard is like "frog", in the sense that it covers most squamates, with the arbitrary exclusion of snakes, and to a much lesser extent amphisbaenians, despite "lizard" also including legless lizards. I really cannot concieve of how the content of the two articles, if fully developed, would not be heavily redundant to each other, as the discussion of their anatomy, ecology, evolution, etc. would basically be same, only slightly expanded in Squamata to also cover snakes and amphisbaenians. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 21:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
The squamate article should also include mosasaurs and amphisbainids. I think that lizards merit their own article. There will always be some of this kind of duplication. Keep. Drsruli ( talk) 21:04, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Not a user but I just got linked here from Mosasaurus so absolutely not. They do not seem to be defined as just lizards. 72.16.69.192 ( talk) 03:39, 26 December 2023 (UTC) Oppose per Why can't i get a cow X ( talk) 17:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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We need to clean it up, because it goes in so many directions I can't tell what is what anymore. OviraptorFan ( talk) 14:23, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Errr, does this really mean there are no lizards neither snakes in Canada? -- 195.148.184.89 ( talk) 04:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
The map is simply incorrect. Red sided garter snakes, for example, live as far north as Forth Smith, Northwest Territories (60°N).
Nathair Nimheil (
talk)
12:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Came here to say this.
Snakes I have encountered in Canada (specifically Alberta):
Western Garter snake (Thamnophis elegans)
Bull snake (Pituophis catenifer sayi)
Prairie rattlesnake (Crotalus viridis)
...and the beautiful corn snake I'm currently snakesitting, but he ain't from around here.
Ispollock (
talk)
01:40, 29 December 2008 (UTC)ispollock
We should really delete the map or change it... :/ (Comment made by a guest) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.221.122.58 ( talk) 13:59, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
It's great to have a new section on the evolution of squamates. However, the section would be greatly improved by citing sources (see citing sources and footnotes and by some copy editing. I don't feel competent to edit the section now, because I don't know the facts. If someone else could improve the presentation of information and provide sources, I could do some copy editing. - Enuja (talk) 21:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this should merge with the main Toxicofera page.-- 4444hhhh ( talk) 05:22, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Classification
Classically, the order is divided into three suborders:
Of these, the lizards form a paraphyletic group. In newer classifications the name Sauria is used for reptiles and birds in general, and the Squamata are divided differently:
The exact relationships within these two suborders are not entirely certain yet, though recent research strongly suggests that several families form a venom clade which encompasses a majority (nearly 60%) of Squamate species. The group is call Toxicofera. Toxicofera combines the following groups from traditional classification:
-- 4444hhhh ( talk) 15:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
We need squamate reperduction people. Look for sources, and get some info!-- 4444hhhh ( talk) 03:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and one more thing, we should make this page longer, not short (like the first version of the article) I mean, the other reptile orders are longer but not this one. -- 4444hhhh ( talk) 20:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay guys, I know what you said about me putting stuff with mis-grammar. So I'll do what Enuja suggested on my talk page. So, here's my revision version of diets:
So, what do you think guys? Any suggestions? -- 4444hhhh ( talk) 16:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I think something got mixed up or moved in the lead section:
... particularly visible in snakes, which are able to open their mouths very wide to accommodate comparatively large prey. They are the most variably-sized order of reptiles, ranging from the 16 mm (0.63 in) Jaragua Sphaero, Sphaerodactylus ariasae to the 8 m (26 ft) green anaconda, Eunectes murinus.
The "Classification" section needs to tell us why the lizards are paraphyletic and what other group(s) are misclassified (from a cladistic POV) within the lizards, as the article linked is a general "Lizard" article. Wayne Hardman ( talk) 21:35, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
The page intro mentions mosasaurs, but that's the last we hear about them for the whole article. Shouldn't extinct members of squamata also be included in the classification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.58.46 ( talk) 12:10, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
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File:Vipera-aspis-aspis-1.jpg, has been nominated for deletion at
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Is there a reason the first sentence mentions lizards and snakes and not amphisbaenia? -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 21:34, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
I seriously doubt that there has been enough study of the > 3,000 snake species to conclude that each species uses different tactics! While I haven't been able to access the cited study, I suspect that it does not support this - after all, according to its own title, it deals with 'garter snakes', which account for c. 30 species, so < 1% of all snake species. Glevum ( talk) 18:31, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
The heading "List of extant families" seems to be wrong, somehow.
The lede makes reference to the clade Saurischia as an "Order". However, nowadays most palaeontologists consider Saurischia an unranked clade, and that is how it is generally treated here on Wikipedia (check the Saurichia article and its taxobox). The Ornithoscelida hypothesis also casts doubt on whether birds actually belong to Saurischia. Should the references therefore be removed? Zigongosaurus1138 ( talk) 01:19, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
These articles so heavily overlap in scope that its redundant to have both of them. We don't have separate articles for "frog" and the order Anura, just because some anurans are called toads rather than frogs in English (discussed in Frog#Etymology_and_taxonomy), we just have a single article entitled Frog, covering the entirety of Anura, including those called toads. I think the same should apply here. (I don't care about which title is preferred/which way round the merge goes). Lizard is like "frog", in the sense that it covers most squamates, with the arbitrary exclusion of snakes, and to a much lesser extent amphisbaenians, despite "lizard" also including legless lizards. I really cannot concieve of how the content of the two articles, if fully developed, would not be heavily redundant to each other, as the discussion of their anatomy, ecology, evolution, etc. would basically be same, only slightly expanded in Squamata to also cover snakes and amphisbaenians. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 21:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
The squamate article should also include mosasaurs and amphisbainids. I think that lizards merit their own article. There will always be some of this kind of duplication. Keep. Drsruli ( talk) 21:04, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Not a user but I just got linked here from Mosasaurus so absolutely not. They do not seem to be defined as just lizards. 72.16.69.192 ( talk) 03:39, 26 December 2023 (UTC) Oppose per Why can't i get a cow X ( talk) 17:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)