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Please note AS roma it is not a Sports Club, but they play only football (or soccer as you prefer).
Maybe you confuse the Virtus Roma with the AS roma. Bye —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.227.1.2 ( talk) 11:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there any proof that Fernerbache have 25 million supporters? I have read this figure on many website but don’t have any luck finding any actual proof.
Also, what constitutes a ‘supporter’ in this estimate, somebody who claims to follow the club but hasn’t actually ever seen them play (fair-weather supporters) or actual dyed-in-the-wool supporters (highly unlikely)?
Ok folks, thanks to JzG for semi-protecting this page. Now, can the two of you calmly discuss the two teams (yes, even I, an american, know the rivalries between Greek sports clubs, as well as the fatal incident recently), with Reliable Sources to back up your information? If it helps, talk to me instead of the other person. Convince ME. SirFozzie 21:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
1) Panathinaikos play at UEFA Cup (as the 3rd team of the Greek League). Both this year and the coming one as well! Is this a fact that can be disputed? Check the UEFA site!
2) Olympiacos have 69 national honors in football. Panathinaikos and Aek have 68 together. Just check the corresponding articles. I mentioned it because the very well known fact to all Greeks, that Olympiacos dominates this sport in Greece, was argued. Only in the last 11 years Olympiacos have won 10 championships.
Are there any clearer and more obvious citations than the UEFA site and the clubs' articles?
The reasoning of the "Sports club" article is to promote each clubs' acheivements, not to distort the facts!
3) He metnions Panathinaikos' 492 honours overall (all years from 1908, all divisions). This estimation comes from a Greek sports newspaper which openly supports Panathinaikos (called "the Green" ("The Green Newspaper" is implied)). This figure was respected by me, even though a citation is needed. In contrast the 69 football honors of Olympiacos in football were being consistently erased although it is an undisputed fact with given dates (see the club's article and www.epo.gr the Greek football assocation's site). 212.251.110.173 22:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I completely understand the rules and you did what it had to be done.
References:
This year's final standings of Greek League in English by the Greek football association (EPO): http://www.epo.gr/detail_uk.asp?e_article_id=10506&e_article_cat_id=15:
Panathinaikos is 3rd with the UC (UEFA Cup in the right column). And it's the second consecutve year that they play UEFA Cup.
Olympiacos official national honors (i.e.: championships, cups and doubles): 69:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympiacos#Football_Club_Honours
Panathinaikos official national honors (i.e.: championships, cups and doubles): 42 (I even include 1 more than their article) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panathinaikos#Football
Aek official national honors (i.e.: championships, cups and doubles): 26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEK_Athens_FC#National_titles
which makes Olympiacos: 69, Panathinaikos+Aek: 68.
If you dont count the doubles: Olympiacos: 57, Panathinaikos+Aek: 48.
212.251.110.173 23:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
It's a surprise you know the Greek teams :-) About the spelling, both ways (c or k) are fine. I'll post my suggestion here, tomorrow (it's late enough already). Cheers mate.
212.251.110.173
23:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
There is just one indirect comparison. There you go:
Olympiacos CFP from Piraeus, Greece, is one of the largest multisport clubs in Europe and the most popular in Greece. It develops activities in 17 different competitive departments, including football, all of which are prominent and have won many distinctions around the world. The total number of athletes of Olympiacos is more than 3,800, the ranks of which include Olympic winners and World Champions. The club boasts European and international titles in football, basketball ( Olympiacos BC), volleyball ( Olympiakos SC), waterpolo and athletics. The following outstanding statistics illustrate the club’s domination in Greek football: Olympiacos FC have won 10 championships in the last 11 seasons, 35 championships out of the total of 71 which were ever conducted in Greece and 69 national honors while their main rivals together only have 68. Olympiacos have more honors than any other Greek team in volleyball and waterpolo as well (men’s divisions). In addition, fans point out as remarkable the fact that Olympiacos is the only Greek sports club to have done the Triple Crown in two different sports, i.e. basketball and waterpolo. 212.251.110.173 18:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I made a mistake: 69-68 is correct, 57-48 is not, sorry about this. I corrected it. As for the final phrase it is correct, but I don't think I can find an explicit reference, one will have to check the stats. However, there is no other Greek team ever acieved a Triple Crown. Panathinaikos might do it in basketball this year for their first time, but we'll have to wait for the league to finish. So it's absolutely true, even that other guy did not erase this final phrase, imagine that! :-) 212.251.110.173 19:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
There we go. Rather then Say "Fans point out as remarkable" (which would beg the question "Which fans and why do they find it remarkable", I have just stated flat out that Olympiacos have achieved the triple crown in basketball, and water polo. How's that? SirFozzie 19:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
One last thing. Isn't this reference enough for retaining the sentence that it is the most popular club? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popularity_of_Greek_teams 212.251.110.173 20:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
There we go! Exactly what we need. I just added a quick link, but I'll add the cites to it when I have a free moment (currently scheduled for some time in 2013 ;)) SirFozzie 20:21, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Panathinaikos is the biggest Greek athletic club in terms of number of departments and overall titles (which are confirmed by the "Greek General Secretariat for Sports" and most of them are mentioned on their website, although it's not fully up to date either: http://www.sportsnet.gr/ ).As for European competitions it is by far the most successful Greek team in both most popular sports in Greece, football and basketball.So what exactly makes Olympiacos being referenced as "one of the largest multisport clubs in Europe" and Panathinaikos as a "major multisports club" which implies that the first one is bigger and more successful?I think there should be some kind of correction here.Some balancing, between the two sentences, which would correspond to reality.The clubs should also be listed alphabetically, since it's the most objective way.But i see that some people keep "forgeting" it, obviously because they just want to showcase their club as the best of all...Oh and by the way, we don't count "Doubles" as titles you smart..."Double" means you 've won both Championship and Cup in the same year.That doesn't make it a title by itself and that's an actual example of your malignant intentions...Whether that or you are not smart enough to understand that simple thing.Kind discussion by some, does not necessarily prove good intentions for objectivity by their side...It's just a cunning way of trying to convince people that are not perfectly acquainted with Greek clubs, that you are right...Besides, that's the only way you may be able to hide FACTS.But i'll be here to correct you in everything...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.127.138 ( talk • contribs)
Dynamo from Berlin is no longer active and therefore it can't be the "best" club. Page Up 02:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
this article should contain a passage about the history of sports clubs. for example, the reader can't tell what is the oldest sports club, etc. 62.219.54.250 ( talk) 12:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
So, I'm trying to figure out which parts of Sports team should be merged, if at all. I created that page without realizing this one already existed-- Prisencolin ( talk) 22:46, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
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Please note AS roma it is not a Sports Club, but they play only football (or soccer as you prefer).
Maybe you confuse the Virtus Roma with the AS roma. Bye —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.227.1.2 ( talk) 11:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there any proof that Fernerbache have 25 million supporters? I have read this figure on many website but don’t have any luck finding any actual proof.
Also, what constitutes a ‘supporter’ in this estimate, somebody who claims to follow the club but hasn’t actually ever seen them play (fair-weather supporters) or actual dyed-in-the-wool supporters (highly unlikely)?
Ok folks, thanks to JzG for semi-protecting this page. Now, can the two of you calmly discuss the two teams (yes, even I, an american, know the rivalries between Greek sports clubs, as well as the fatal incident recently), with Reliable Sources to back up your information? If it helps, talk to me instead of the other person. Convince ME. SirFozzie 21:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
1) Panathinaikos play at UEFA Cup (as the 3rd team of the Greek League). Both this year and the coming one as well! Is this a fact that can be disputed? Check the UEFA site!
2) Olympiacos have 69 national honors in football. Panathinaikos and Aek have 68 together. Just check the corresponding articles. I mentioned it because the very well known fact to all Greeks, that Olympiacos dominates this sport in Greece, was argued. Only in the last 11 years Olympiacos have won 10 championships.
Are there any clearer and more obvious citations than the UEFA site and the clubs' articles?
The reasoning of the "Sports club" article is to promote each clubs' acheivements, not to distort the facts!
3) He metnions Panathinaikos' 492 honours overall (all years from 1908, all divisions). This estimation comes from a Greek sports newspaper which openly supports Panathinaikos (called "the Green" ("The Green Newspaper" is implied)). This figure was respected by me, even though a citation is needed. In contrast the 69 football honors of Olympiacos in football were being consistently erased although it is an undisputed fact with given dates (see the club's article and www.epo.gr the Greek football assocation's site). 212.251.110.173 22:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I completely understand the rules and you did what it had to be done.
References:
This year's final standings of Greek League in English by the Greek football association (EPO): http://www.epo.gr/detail_uk.asp?e_article_id=10506&e_article_cat_id=15:
Panathinaikos is 3rd with the UC (UEFA Cup in the right column). And it's the second consecutve year that they play UEFA Cup.
Olympiacos official national honors (i.e.: championships, cups and doubles): 69:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympiacos#Football_Club_Honours
Panathinaikos official national honors (i.e.: championships, cups and doubles): 42 (I even include 1 more than their article) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panathinaikos#Football
Aek official national honors (i.e.: championships, cups and doubles): 26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEK_Athens_FC#National_titles
which makes Olympiacos: 69, Panathinaikos+Aek: 68.
If you dont count the doubles: Olympiacos: 57, Panathinaikos+Aek: 48.
212.251.110.173 23:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
It's a surprise you know the Greek teams :-) About the spelling, both ways (c or k) are fine. I'll post my suggestion here, tomorrow (it's late enough already). Cheers mate.
212.251.110.173
23:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
There is just one indirect comparison. There you go:
Olympiacos CFP from Piraeus, Greece, is one of the largest multisport clubs in Europe and the most popular in Greece. It develops activities in 17 different competitive departments, including football, all of which are prominent and have won many distinctions around the world. The total number of athletes of Olympiacos is more than 3,800, the ranks of which include Olympic winners and World Champions. The club boasts European and international titles in football, basketball ( Olympiacos BC), volleyball ( Olympiakos SC), waterpolo and athletics. The following outstanding statistics illustrate the club’s domination in Greek football: Olympiacos FC have won 10 championships in the last 11 seasons, 35 championships out of the total of 71 which were ever conducted in Greece and 69 national honors while their main rivals together only have 68. Olympiacos have more honors than any other Greek team in volleyball and waterpolo as well (men’s divisions). In addition, fans point out as remarkable the fact that Olympiacos is the only Greek sports club to have done the Triple Crown in two different sports, i.e. basketball and waterpolo. 212.251.110.173 18:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I made a mistake: 69-68 is correct, 57-48 is not, sorry about this. I corrected it. As for the final phrase it is correct, but I don't think I can find an explicit reference, one will have to check the stats. However, there is no other Greek team ever acieved a Triple Crown. Panathinaikos might do it in basketball this year for their first time, but we'll have to wait for the league to finish. So it's absolutely true, even that other guy did not erase this final phrase, imagine that! :-) 212.251.110.173 19:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
There we go. Rather then Say "Fans point out as remarkable" (which would beg the question "Which fans and why do they find it remarkable", I have just stated flat out that Olympiacos have achieved the triple crown in basketball, and water polo. How's that? SirFozzie 19:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
One last thing. Isn't this reference enough for retaining the sentence that it is the most popular club? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popularity_of_Greek_teams 212.251.110.173 20:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
There we go! Exactly what we need. I just added a quick link, but I'll add the cites to it when I have a free moment (currently scheduled for some time in 2013 ;)) SirFozzie 20:21, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Panathinaikos is the biggest Greek athletic club in terms of number of departments and overall titles (which are confirmed by the "Greek General Secretariat for Sports" and most of them are mentioned on their website, although it's not fully up to date either: http://www.sportsnet.gr/ ).As for European competitions it is by far the most successful Greek team in both most popular sports in Greece, football and basketball.So what exactly makes Olympiacos being referenced as "one of the largest multisport clubs in Europe" and Panathinaikos as a "major multisports club" which implies that the first one is bigger and more successful?I think there should be some kind of correction here.Some balancing, between the two sentences, which would correspond to reality.The clubs should also be listed alphabetically, since it's the most objective way.But i see that some people keep "forgeting" it, obviously because they just want to showcase their club as the best of all...Oh and by the way, we don't count "Doubles" as titles you smart..."Double" means you 've won both Championship and Cup in the same year.That doesn't make it a title by itself and that's an actual example of your malignant intentions...Whether that or you are not smart enough to understand that simple thing.Kind discussion by some, does not necessarily prove good intentions for objectivity by their side...It's just a cunning way of trying to convince people that are not perfectly acquainted with Greek clubs, that you are right...Besides, that's the only way you may be able to hide FACTS.But i'll be here to correct you in everything...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.127.138 ( talk • contribs)
Dynamo from Berlin is no longer active and therefore it can't be the "best" club. Page Up 02:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
this article should contain a passage about the history of sports clubs. for example, the reader can't tell what is the oldest sports club, etc. 62.219.54.250 ( talk) 12:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
So, I'm trying to figure out which parts of Sports team should be merged, if at all. I created that page without realizing this one already existed-- Prisencolin ( talk) 22:46, 30 June 2016 (UTC)