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On 31 July 2017, it was proposed that this article be moved from Sporting Clube de Portugal to Sporting CP. The result of the discussion was Moved. |
On 6 August 2018, it was proposed that this article be moved from Sporting CP to Sporting Clube de Portugal. The result of the discussion was Not moved. |
It seems to me that a user is constantly updating this area to something that has no interest to the section, like about a episode about a banner, if we are going to write about every single time a football clube put a banner we gonna need the whole internet, so i dont see the interest of this particular episode. I do agree thoug that the 1996 final of portuguese cup was a key moment in the rivalary between sporting and benfica, since was the first time and only time a fan died consequence of the rivalary, being quoted as the darkest day of portuguese football. The other episodes seem to me a way of enabling the latter episode and justify it even thoug it happended 20 years after and which the severity of it is banal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OctopusFactCheck ( talk • contribs) 15:11, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
The rivalry section between Sporting and Porto is not elaborated on but it is also wrong. There is no alliance between Sporting and Porto. The sources provided to support this are from tabloid newspapers. Both clubs are supporting the judicial processes against Benfica since both might benefit from it but that does not make an alliance... The clubs even had the official ties cut until recently...-- JRosa ( talk) 16:49, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi there. I confirmed the fact that the futsal derby ( https://www.zerozero.pt/jogo.php?id=3666265) happened before the football derby ( https://www.zerozero.pt/jogo.php?id=3597315). Also I don’t think that when describing the Sporting Porto rivalry, one can say that they formed an alliance against Benfica, it just seems biased and simplistic. Also Sporting CP has a new president since 9th September 2019, following the dismissal of the previous president by the club’s “sócios”. Regards. Pddalmeida ( talk) 17:53, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi there. I revised the text regarding the number of members ("sócios") of the club and created a more recent and accurate citation in that regard. I also revised the text regarding the incidents that took place in the Lisbon Derbies of futsal and football, that happened respectively on the 7th and 8th February 2015, as it's described in the citations about this issue. I also changed the text regarding the rivalry between Sporting and Porto, since the alleged alliance between the two clubs against Benfica, doesn't exist anymore, given the fact that Sporting has a new President since the 9th September 2018. Best regards. Pddalmeida ( talk) 00:48, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Greenheart69 ( talk · contribs) has been adding non-notable honours such as the Small World Cup and the Iberian Cup, calling them European competitions and without adding sources. The UEFA Intertoto Cup might be considered a notable honour, but it's unsourced; even its article doesn't say Sporting won it. SLBedit ( talk) 15:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Royk14, Struway2, and Oshwah: Even Sporting CP website states that the club is known as Sporting Lisbon outside Portugal:
Previous discussions:
Talk:Sporting CP/Archive 1#referred to incorrectly..
Talk:Sporting CP/Archive 1#Use of Sporting Clube de Portugal / Sporting Lisbon.
Talk:Sporting CP/Archive 1#Requested move 6 August 2018 SLBedit ( talk) 19:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
If you cared about being honest, you would have pasted the entire quote. That sentence is taken from a paragraph explaining that the new badge includes the words "Sporting" and "Portugal" PRECISELY to emphasize the correct name of the club.
"The words "Sporting" and "Portugal", now written as complete words and no longer as abbreviations or initials, where introduced to emphasis the national dimension of the Club and to present the official name of the Club on the international level; "
Royk14 (
talk)
19:52, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry for my language, but this is a subject that I feel it shouldn't even be under discussion. Royk14 ( talk) 19:56, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Yet another attempt of WP:ADVOCACY. SLBedit ( talk) 20:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Mwiqdoh: Stop. SLBedit ( talk) 14:19, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
@ BrunoLxxx: Why should we? SLBedit ( talk) 00:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Sporting Lisbon fans still continue to remove "Sporting Lisbon", ignoring reliable sources. A. Landmesser continues not to reinstate that information because they have conflict of interest. SLBedit ( talk) 14:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
This short explanation was reverted without a valid reason by a SL Benfica advocate. I would ask the administrators to pay attention to the multiple abuses by this user, who has absurd prejudices towards Portuguese football and is against anything that is not in the interests of his SL Benfica. [1] A. Landmesser ( talk) 08:16, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
"The innacuracy must be explained according to consensus". There never was consensus about that. SLBedit ( talk) 16:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
You need a new section to discuss this to start afresh. Don't turn it into personal attacks or refer to each other's motives. There are currently cited references to support both points of view.
What's wrong with this compromise: and occasionally as Sporting Lisbon outside other countries? I don't buy the offensiveness argument, that's unsourced and WP:NOTCENSORED. Local Variable ( talk) 17:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Here is a quote from https://www.sporting.pt/en/club/history/the-badge "Various loose affiliations and denominations, in the form of the different names used to define the Club outside of Portugal (with the Club largely being known a "Sporting Lisbon" abroad)". Even the official website acknowledges "Sporting Lisbon". What happens if A. Landmesser ignores this discussion while other users/IPs try to remove "Sporting Lisbon" from the lead? What happens if consensus is reached: will the "restore-reverts" still count as edit warring? Could someone add a note in the lead saying "do not remove "Sporting Lisbon" without reaching consensus first"? SLBedit ( talk) 17:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
All of the sudden, A. Landmesser ( talk · contribs) stops editing and almost a month later SportingPortugaledit ( talk · contribs) appears and starts pushing "Sporting Portugal" into the lead. Do you think it's a coincidence? SLBedit ( talk) 15:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Sporting CP supporters are again pushing their own league title count. Officially, the club has 20 league titles. I will revert ALL those edits per WP:ADVOCACY and WP:UNSOURCED. SLBedit ( talk) 22:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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On 31 July 2017, it was proposed that this article be moved from Sporting Clube de Portugal to Sporting CP. The result of the discussion was Moved. |
On 6 August 2018, it was proposed that this article be moved from Sporting CP to Sporting Clube de Portugal. The result of the discussion was Not moved. |
It seems to me that a user is constantly updating this area to something that has no interest to the section, like about a episode about a banner, if we are going to write about every single time a football clube put a banner we gonna need the whole internet, so i dont see the interest of this particular episode. I do agree thoug that the 1996 final of portuguese cup was a key moment in the rivalary between sporting and benfica, since was the first time and only time a fan died consequence of the rivalary, being quoted as the darkest day of portuguese football. The other episodes seem to me a way of enabling the latter episode and justify it even thoug it happended 20 years after and which the severity of it is banal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OctopusFactCheck ( talk • contribs) 15:11, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
The rivalry section between Sporting and Porto is not elaborated on but it is also wrong. There is no alliance between Sporting and Porto. The sources provided to support this are from tabloid newspapers. Both clubs are supporting the judicial processes against Benfica since both might benefit from it but that does not make an alliance... The clubs even had the official ties cut until recently...-- JRosa ( talk) 16:49, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi there. I confirmed the fact that the futsal derby ( https://www.zerozero.pt/jogo.php?id=3666265) happened before the football derby ( https://www.zerozero.pt/jogo.php?id=3597315). Also I don’t think that when describing the Sporting Porto rivalry, one can say that they formed an alliance against Benfica, it just seems biased and simplistic. Also Sporting CP has a new president since 9th September 2019, following the dismissal of the previous president by the club’s “sócios”. Regards. Pddalmeida ( talk) 17:53, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi there. I revised the text regarding the number of members ("sócios") of the club and created a more recent and accurate citation in that regard. I also revised the text regarding the incidents that took place in the Lisbon Derbies of futsal and football, that happened respectively on the 7th and 8th February 2015, as it's described in the citations about this issue. I also changed the text regarding the rivalry between Sporting and Porto, since the alleged alliance between the two clubs against Benfica, doesn't exist anymore, given the fact that Sporting has a new President since the 9th September 2018. Best regards. Pddalmeida ( talk) 00:48, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Greenheart69 ( talk · contribs) has been adding non-notable honours such as the Small World Cup and the Iberian Cup, calling them European competitions and without adding sources. The UEFA Intertoto Cup might be considered a notable honour, but it's unsourced; even its article doesn't say Sporting won it. SLBedit ( talk) 15:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Royk14, Struway2, and Oshwah: Even Sporting CP website states that the club is known as Sporting Lisbon outside Portugal:
Previous discussions:
Talk:Sporting CP/Archive 1#referred to incorrectly..
Talk:Sporting CP/Archive 1#Use of Sporting Clube de Portugal / Sporting Lisbon.
Talk:Sporting CP/Archive 1#Requested move 6 August 2018 SLBedit ( talk) 19:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
If you cared about being honest, you would have pasted the entire quote. That sentence is taken from a paragraph explaining that the new badge includes the words "Sporting" and "Portugal" PRECISELY to emphasize the correct name of the club.
"The words "Sporting" and "Portugal", now written as complete words and no longer as abbreviations or initials, where introduced to emphasis the national dimension of the Club and to present the official name of the Club on the international level; "
Royk14 (
talk)
19:52, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry for my language, but this is a subject that I feel it shouldn't even be under discussion. Royk14 ( talk) 19:56, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Yet another attempt of WP:ADVOCACY. SLBedit ( talk) 20:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
@ Mwiqdoh: Stop. SLBedit ( talk) 14:19, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
@ BrunoLxxx: Why should we? SLBedit ( talk) 00:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Sporting Lisbon fans still continue to remove "Sporting Lisbon", ignoring reliable sources. A. Landmesser continues not to reinstate that information because they have conflict of interest. SLBedit ( talk) 14:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
This short explanation was reverted without a valid reason by a SL Benfica advocate. I would ask the administrators to pay attention to the multiple abuses by this user, who has absurd prejudices towards Portuguese football and is against anything that is not in the interests of his SL Benfica. [1] A. Landmesser ( talk) 08:16, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
"The innacuracy must be explained according to consensus". There never was consensus about that. SLBedit ( talk) 16:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
You need a new section to discuss this to start afresh. Don't turn it into personal attacks or refer to each other's motives. There are currently cited references to support both points of view.
What's wrong with this compromise: and occasionally as Sporting Lisbon outside other countries? I don't buy the offensiveness argument, that's unsourced and WP:NOTCENSORED. Local Variable ( talk) 17:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Here is a quote from https://www.sporting.pt/en/club/history/the-badge "Various loose affiliations and denominations, in the form of the different names used to define the Club outside of Portugal (with the Club largely being known a "Sporting Lisbon" abroad)". Even the official website acknowledges "Sporting Lisbon". What happens if A. Landmesser ignores this discussion while other users/IPs try to remove "Sporting Lisbon" from the lead? What happens if consensus is reached: will the "restore-reverts" still count as edit warring? Could someone add a note in the lead saying "do not remove "Sporting Lisbon" without reaching consensus first"? SLBedit ( talk) 17:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
All of the sudden, A. Landmesser ( talk · contribs) stops editing and almost a month later SportingPortugaledit ( talk · contribs) appears and starts pushing "Sporting Portugal" into the lead. Do you think it's a coincidence? SLBedit ( talk) 15:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Sporting CP supporters are again pushing their own league title count. Officially, the club has 20 league titles. I will revert ALL those edits per WP:ADVOCACY and WP:UNSOURCED. SLBedit ( talk) 22:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)