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The notice of potential deletion was attached to this page before I had even finished assembling its parts. The assertion that the attribution of danger to certain spider species is subjective is not valid. It is precisely the purpose of this article to collect scientific evaluations and medical statistics on the likelihood of trauma or death upon being bitten by the spiders that have the more medically significant venom.
Since the notice was attached, I have attached 6 links to articles that offer objective evaluations. P0M 21:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
The values for Atrax venom amounts are greatly different, 140 mg. and 2 mg. The 140 mg. figure also indicates a spider capable of killing 5 large men. I suspect that it is off by a factor of 10. P0M 01:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I've just been looking for "poisonous spiders" on Wiki, and it took me some time to find this article. Shouldn't there be a redirect from "poisonous spiders"? Yes, I know that most/all spiders are poisonous to, say, insects, but a little bit of common sense would not go astray here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.43.16.78 ( talk • contribs) .
The result of the debate was move, although I recommend using the text on Wikipedia:Requested moves for creating a place for discussion on the talk page in the future. -- Kjkolb 09:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I am now requesting the move of this article to Spider bite; when this is done, I'll redirect Spider bites to spider bite. This move will require an admin to perform, as spider bite is an existing redirect. -- EngineerScotty 23:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I fully concur with the need for the move. We've been much too patient with the alteration of the original title. "Spider bites" makes more sense to me, but I guess the "no plurals" rule will have to be obeyed. Otherwise I'd be tempted to try moving it to that title. P0M 06:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Unable to find citation BUT, I have read and seen pictures and seen various documentaries on TV about people eating spiders. Yuck. In Southeast Asia some folks do eat large spiders. Yuck. But, if I was starving, that spider would likely look yummy. If someone can search better than I it should be possible to provide a reference to humans eating spiders. Yuck.
Since I am here, I, the mighty Obbop, will briefly mention the three days of severe agony, pain, almost wishing I was dead while suffering horribly from a California Black Widow spider bite. Horrible!!!! And I am not a wimp. Hale and hearty in my prime while suffering terribly I understand how an infant or older person could die from that bite. Interestingly, I awoke the morning of the fourth day feeling better than I had in years. My senses were extremely acute; smell, taste, touch, hearing, even vision.... hard to describe but I hadn't felt that "vital" in years. By the end of the day I was back to normal. Some sort of "rebound" reaction? I have been sick before, injured semi-severely, but I never experienced that strange sense-heightened feeling from anything other than that spider bite. Heckuva' price to pay to experience it, though. Obbop told yah' this.
the next stop is a GA nomination. Before we go before the GA folks, things which might be done to improve the article:
Thoughts? -- EngineerScotty 20:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I couldn't help myself. I wrote a couple paragraphs on this much maligned spider. I have to agree with the guy who chewed us out a while back for even putting P. johnsoni in our article. I kept of of these spiders for a year, thinking that with all the hair burning going on in some web sites I would at least get to see some signs of aggressivity greater than that of other jumpers, but although the P. octopunctatus once bared her fangs at my coffee straw I never even saw a single threat display from the P. johnsoni -- even when she laid eggs and was tending them. (They weren't fertile, unfortunately.)
I've tried to word things so that I will not be guilty of "independent research." If need be I can probably go back and find letters from Dr. Vetter at UCR and some of the other Salticidae experts I've bugged. They all said, basically, that these spiders behave about like all the other Phidippus species, and (reading between the lines) if you get bitten its probably your own fault.
Take a look to see whether anything can be better NPOV'd. P0M 02:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
A spider bite is not a venomous animal, rather the unfortunate result of an encounter with one. Therefore, I suggest that the "Venomous animals" category tag be removed from this article. -- Jwinius 15:29, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
this article is about spider bite and i didn't see a single picture showing what a spider bite could look like.. :( 75.15.183.89 16:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
We were told that "some spider species have bites which are known to be made of pure lava. . . ." Yeah, right. Kostaki mou 04:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
The lead-in to this article is currently "Spiders occasionally bite humans. The symptoms of their bites can include necrotic wounds, systemic toxicity, and in some cases, death." I think we should mention that the vast, vast majority of spider bites cause no symptoms or, at most, a small bump on the skin: this lead-in gives the impression that the majority of the 37,000 species of spiders are dangerously venomous. -- Hyperbole 10:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
On this very interesting article! A great example of WP. Where did the GA work go? Anchoress ( talk) 10:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
It'd be nice, if someone has time and interest and knowledge, to add some material on the nature and treatment for the small and unimpressive, but painful and annoying and much more common, little painful bumps from your ordinary house-spider. Although the ones that make your skin fall off and you die are, admittedly, more interesting in some sense. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.78.49 ( talk) 02:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 22:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Milan, March 6 2009
Dear Sirs, in your very interesting article on spider bites you say that Phoneutria'antivenom has been developed in 1996. I remember very well, however, to have read in the "Memorias do Istituto de Butantan" that already in the 1930's Lucien Vellard (a French scholar who worked in Brazil) and Vital Brazil had developed two antivenoms, one against the bite of Lycosa raptoria (a wolf spider with a strong necrotic venom) and the other against the bite of Phoneutria nigriventer (then called Ctenus nigriventer. Faithfully yours
Giorgio O. Malagodi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.36.157.37 ( talk) 13:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Lycosa hsa been exonerated. The suspicion of necrosis proved false on specific testing and case reports. Such is the way science advances. But Vellard made antivenom in the 30's for latrodectus definately and he studied Phoneutria venom, still having trouble finding the point you make, but my Portuguese is bad and it's only google. Moderntarantula ( talk) 07:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)Moderntarantula
There seems to be too many pictures on the page; it unbalances the text. GaVak 14:46, 20 March 2009
I'm removing the sections on Huntsman and Redback jumping spiders from the "Types of spiders with medically significant venom" sections. I've never seen any evidence the vemon of these spiders is "medically significant", especially regarding the jumping spider. Kaldari ( talk) 01:40, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed that someone had re-named the venom component lethal to humans of the Australian funnel-web group. There is a fair amount of re-naming going on. What is the best choice of names? Do we need to list or cross-reference all of them? There is a good report on naming issues at this URL: http://www.atypus.estranky.cz/clanky/atrax-robustus---mygalomorphae-of-australia/jedovatost.html
P0M ( talk) 16:18, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Have reorganized per WP:MEDMOS. Need to make refs compliant with WP:MEDRS Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia needs real editors, not English-language apprentices. See for example: "So most of these figures can only give a rough approximation of the medical consequences of various spider bites to humans. A case in point are the Sicarius spp. The venom of these spiders is extremely active in laboratory animals, but there are few if any documented reports of Sicarius bites in humans." Can you spot the problem? The consequence of the venom in people is unrelated to the frequency of bites on people. If you're describing the aggressive nature of the spider, or the relative risk to people, then the frequency of bites matters. On the other hand, when the crux of the article is the toxicity of the venom, then that bit of information is extraneous. The other issue is the last sentence: are there or are there not any reports of bites on people? Why bother reading this instead of the peer-reviewed journals? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.23.68.40 ( talk) 14:14, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Page editor: Please remove and/or request new citations for the information alleged in the first paragraph of the main article. Specifically, source number one is from a commercial site which sells first aid kits. Statements that 98-99% of all bites are harmless should have some citation that refers to a more authoritative source, and not a first aid kit vendor. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources_and_notability. 146.23.68.40 ( talk) 15:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
please note the photo of the man with closed eyes is wrong, there are many losxoceles in brazil, but not RECLUSA, brown recluse is a north american spider.. the patient in question may have losxocelism, noe species should be identified 24.211.43.76 ( talk) 16:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
The following, from the opening lines of the intro appears unprovable, and doesn't provide any citation to back it up. "Since spiders are aware of the effect caused by their bites, they also widely bite on self-defense any intruder risking to damage individuals or their webs (i.e. bites are their naturally occurring defense mechanism)."
1. How does the author know that spiders are aware of the effects caused by their bites? Perhaps the spiders bite by pure instinct, and believe the "effect" is a magical, unrelated result, brought about by a deity in response to their clean living. Seriously. It is equally as provable, i.e., not at all.
2. How does the author know that spiders bite for self-defence because they are aware of the effects of the bites (even if they were so aware)? Does a dog bark in self-defence due to it's being aware of the potential effect of that bark, or does it bark out of pure instinct?
In sum, it's probably unprovable that spiders "think" at all. The author appears to ultimately agree when he writes the part in perentheses.
Apart from that, the sentence doesn't make sense from "risking" onwards.
We currently have an entry for Haplopelma schmidti that indicates that one child was killed by this species. I just checked, and the only citation we had for that claim is now gone. Furthermore, several other sites mention a "rumor" about such a death. There seems to be no positive claim being made anywhere at present -- except for the Wikipedia article, that is. P0M ( talk) 03:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
An edit by Logan that claimed to restore content actually removed a block of text. I went back to the version by Monty (which had previously been used as the basis for revision to a similar removal of that block of text), edited and saved. The system did not reveal my revision. Tried again. Same result. Made a test edit, previewed, and saved. That revision worked. Went back to the Monty version, "edited," previewed, and saved. That time everything worked as expected. P0M ( talk) 15:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
[1] -- Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 06:23, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
It appears that one or more people have been changing the name of the article on Australasian funnel web spiders. I don't have time to track this down now, but it used to be that Australian f w s redirected to Australasian f w s, no?
Currently the article has been changed several times by people with differing opinions on how these spiders should be named. Rather than getting into an edit war about it, let's discuss what has been going on. P0M ( talk) 17:17, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
The "spreadsheet" currently says of the genus Steotoda: "Study suggests its venom can be effective in treating widow bites because of their similarity." If a person has a black widow bite and you inject the patient with Steotoda venom, that procedure cannot work. It's adding oil to a burning fire. P0M ( talk) 21:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
I am inclined to merge the stub's very slight content with this article, and convert it to a redir to this article. I have left a note to that effect on the Arachnidism talk page, but have not commenced enemy action as yet. JonRichfield ( talk) 11:23, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
OK, no one howled, so I did it! JonRichfield ( talk) 20:15, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
I just made one run through this article and corrected numerous spelling mistakes. Some contributors have failed to check their own spelling. Please have a look at your screen for red spell-check indications and fix the "sierous" spelling errors you may find.
Does anyone know how to get a bot to run through this article to check for errors? There are so many things flagged that are actually Latin names, etc., that I probably missed a few. P0M ( talk) 06:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
I would rather the page not focus on death. The tone and logic is too casual. So I propose a reworking of the page in it's entirety. To list syndromes (tarantism, latrodectism, necrotic arachnidism, systemic loxoscelism and other arachnidism--atrax). The table woudl be a list of symptoms not the silly size LD-50 of mice and reported deaths. This is my intro " Spider bites have been implicated in many ailments through history. Notably wild dancing in the Middle Ages, death between the Great Wars, and skin ulcers in the 21st Century. Although the fear of spiders may be a European trait [1] Scientific advancement in Industrial Revolution and later put doubt into medical consequences of spider bites. Commonly held beleifs about spider bites were debunked as folktale and myth. California physician Emile Bogen cemented the consequences of black widow envenomation, or arachnidism, in the 20's [2] Several other types of arachnidism have been described since, however, folktale and myth still dominate the perception of spider bites. Importantly, most arthropod bites are not from spiders, no spider bite is typically fatal to humans and most skin wounds are not from a spider bite. Moderntarantula ( talk) 00:33, 20 January 2015 (UTC)ModernTarantula
References
Per this edit [2] the CDC states clearly that hobo spiders are a concern. Thus "more controversially" is not needed. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 00:08, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
References
I'm kinda curious about why the information about the three (now two) known families of spiders without venom glands was removed and replaced with "All spiders are venomous, but not all spider bites result in the injection of venom." This was the most readily available source of that information, and I only knew about it because I recalled reading this page about a year or two ago and thought to check the page history to make sure I wasn't going crazy. There aren't enough nonvenomous spiders to make a separate page I wouldn't think, either. Browser searching returns results for the huntsman, spider venom, and a little on Uloboridae. These families and the harvestmen urban legend were things I actually had to explain to some people just last week. 69.47.149.35 ( talk) 03:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Children & even adults have died do to the old practice of applying cold compresses to reduce swelling from bites of non lethal venomous insects & snakes. The venom is heat seeking was discovered after numerous deaths were caused by the wrong treatment. The ice or cold compresses drove the venom more quickly to the bite victims internal organs & heart. Using hot compress would be better to extract the poison. Trishdd ( talk) 22:30, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
By putting the material in the "Signs and symptoms" section first, before the "Diagnosis" section, a false impression is given that the symptoms described are likely to be from spider bites, whereas several reviews have shown that false diagnosis is common. I changed the order, but it was reverted. Peter coxhead ( talk) 16:55, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
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Please put new materials at the bottom of the page, not up here.
The notice of potential deletion was attached to this page before I had even finished assembling its parts. The assertion that the attribution of danger to certain spider species is subjective is not valid. It is precisely the purpose of this article to collect scientific evaluations and medical statistics on the likelihood of trauma or death upon being bitten by the spiders that have the more medically significant venom.
Since the notice was attached, I have attached 6 links to articles that offer objective evaluations. P0M 21:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
The values for Atrax venom amounts are greatly different, 140 mg. and 2 mg. The 140 mg. figure also indicates a spider capable of killing 5 large men. I suspect that it is off by a factor of 10. P0M 01:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I've just been looking for "poisonous spiders" on Wiki, and it took me some time to find this article. Shouldn't there be a redirect from "poisonous spiders"? Yes, I know that most/all spiders are poisonous to, say, insects, but a little bit of common sense would not go astray here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.43.16.78 ( talk • contribs) .
The result of the debate was move, although I recommend using the text on Wikipedia:Requested moves for creating a place for discussion on the talk page in the future. -- Kjkolb 09:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I am now requesting the move of this article to Spider bite; when this is done, I'll redirect Spider bites to spider bite. This move will require an admin to perform, as spider bite is an existing redirect. -- EngineerScotty 23:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I fully concur with the need for the move. We've been much too patient with the alteration of the original title. "Spider bites" makes more sense to me, but I guess the "no plurals" rule will have to be obeyed. Otherwise I'd be tempted to try moving it to that title. P0M 06:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Unable to find citation BUT, I have read and seen pictures and seen various documentaries on TV about people eating spiders. Yuck. In Southeast Asia some folks do eat large spiders. Yuck. But, if I was starving, that spider would likely look yummy. If someone can search better than I it should be possible to provide a reference to humans eating spiders. Yuck.
Since I am here, I, the mighty Obbop, will briefly mention the three days of severe agony, pain, almost wishing I was dead while suffering horribly from a California Black Widow spider bite. Horrible!!!! And I am not a wimp. Hale and hearty in my prime while suffering terribly I understand how an infant or older person could die from that bite. Interestingly, I awoke the morning of the fourth day feeling better than I had in years. My senses were extremely acute; smell, taste, touch, hearing, even vision.... hard to describe but I hadn't felt that "vital" in years. By the end of the day I was back to normal. Some sort of "rebound" reaction? I have been sick before, injured semi-severely, but I never experienced that strange sense-heightened feeling from anything other than that spider bite. Heckuva' price to pay to experience it, though. Obbop told yah' this.
the next stop is a GA nomination. Before we go before the GA folks, things which might be done to improve the article:
Thoughts? -- EngineerScotty 20:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I couldn't help myself. I wrote a couple paragraphs on this much maligned spider. I have to agree with the guy who chewed us out a while back for even putting P. johnsoni in our article. I kept of of these spiders for a year, thinking that with all the hair burning going on in some web sites I would at least get to see some signs of aggressivity greater than that of other jumpers, but although the P. octopunctatus once bared her fangs at my coffee straw I never even saw a single threat display from the P. johnsoni -- even when she laid eggs and was tending them. (They weren't fertile, unfortunately.)
I've tried to word things so that I will not be guilty of "independent research." If need be I can probably go back and find letters from Dr. Vetter at UCR and some of the other Salticidae experts I've bugged. They all said, basically, that these spiders behave about like all the other Phidippus species, and (reading between the lines) if you get bitten its probably your own fault.
Take a look to see whether anything can be better NPOV'd. P0M 02:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
A spider bite is not a venomous animal, rather the unfortunate result of an encounter with one. Therefore, I suggest that the "Venomous animals" category tag be removed from this article. -- Jwinius 15:29, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
this article is about spider bite and i didn't see a single picture showing what a spider bite could look like.. :( 75.15.183.89 16:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
We were told that "some spider species have bites which are known to be made of pure lava. . . ." Yeah, right. Kostaki mou 04:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
The lead-in to this article is currently "Spiders occasionally bite humans. The symptoms of their bites can include necrotic wounds, systemic toxicity, and in some cases, death." I think we should mention that the vast, vast majority of spider bites cause no symptoms or, at most, a small bump on the skin: this lead-in gives the impression that the majority of the 37,000 species of spiders are dangerously venomous. -- Hyperbole 10:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
On this very interesting article! A great example of WP. Where did the GA work go? Anchoress ( talk) 10:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
It'd be nice, if someone has time and interest and knowledge, to add some material on the nature and treatment for the small and unimpressive, but painful and annoying and much more common, little painful bumps from your ordinary house-spider. Although the ones that make your skin fall off and you die are, admittedly, more interesting in some sense. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.78.49 ( talk) 02:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 22:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Milan, March 6 2009
Dear Sirs, in your very interesting article on spider bites you say that Phoneutria'antivenom has been developed in 1996. I remember very well, however, to have read in the "Memorias do Istituto de Butantan" that already in the 1930's Lucien Vellard (a French scholar who worked in Brazil) and Vital Brazil had developed two antivenoms, one against the bite of Lycosa raptoria (a wolf spider with a strong necrotic venom) and the other against the bite of Phoneutria nigriventer (then called Ctenus nigriventer. Faithfully yours
Giorgio O. Malagodi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.36.157.37 ( talk) 13:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Lycosa hsa been exonerated. The suspicion of necrosis proved false on specific testing and case reports. Such is the way science advances. But Vellard made antivenom in the 30's for latrodectus definately and he studied Phoneutria venom, still having trouble finding the point you make, but my Portuguese is bad and it's only google. Moderntarantula ( talk) 07:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)Moderntarantula
There seems to be too many pictures on the page; it unbalances the text. GaVak 14:46, 20 March 2009
I'm removing the sections on Huntsman and Redback jumping spiders from the "Types of spiders with medically significant venom" sections. I've never seen any evidence the vemon of these spiders is "medically significant", especially regarding the jumping spider. Kaldari ( talk) 01:40, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed that someone had re-named the venom component lethal to humans of the Australian funnel-web group. There is a fair amount of re-naming going on. What is the best choice of names? Do we need to list or cross-reference all of them? There is a good report on naming issues at this URL: http://www.atypus.estranky.cz/clanky/atrax-robustus---mygalomorphae-of-australia/jedovatost.html
P0M ( talk) 16:18, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Have reorganized per WP:MEDMOS. Need to make refs compliant with WP:MEDRS Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia needs real editors, not English-language apprentices. See for example: "So most of these figures can only give a rough approximation of the medical consequences of various spider bites to humans. A case in point are the Sicarius spp. The venom of these spiders is extremely active in laboratory animals, but there are few if any documented reports of Sicarius bites in humans." Can you spot the problem? The consequence of the venom in people is unrelated to the frequency of bites on people. If you're describing the aggressive nature of the spider, or the relative risk to people, then the frequency of bites matters. On the other hand, when the crux of the article is the toxicity of the venom, then that bit of information is extraneous. The other issue is the last sentence: are there or are there not any reports of bites on people? Why bother reading this instead of the peer-reviewed journals? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.23.68.40 ( talk) 14:14, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Page editor: Please remove and/or request new citations for the information alleged in the first paragraph of the main article. Specifically, source number one is from a commercial site which sells first aid kits. Statements that 98-99% of all bites are harmless should have some citation that refers to a more authoritative source, and not a first aid kit vendor. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources_and_notability. 146.23.68.40 ( talk) 15:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
please note the photo of the man with closed eyes is wrong, there are many losxoceles in brazil, but not RECLUSA, brown recluse is a north american spider.. the patient in question may have losxocelism, noe species should be identified 24.211.43.76 ( talk) 16:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
The following, from the opening lines of the intro appears unprovable, and doesn't provide any citation to back it up. "Since spiders are aware of the effect caused by their bites, they also widely bite on self-defense any intruder risking to damage individuals or their webs (i.e. bites are their naturally occurring defense mechanism)."
1. How does the author know that spiders are aware of the effects caused by their bites? Perhaps the spiders bite by pure instinct, and believe the "effect" is a magical, unrelated result, brought about by a deity in response to their clean living. Seriously. It is equally as provable, i.e., not at all.
2. How does the author know that spiders bite for self-defence because they are aware of the effects of the bites (even if they were so aware)? Does a dog bark in self-defence due to it's being aware of the potential effect of that bark, or does it bark out of pure instinct?
In sum, it's probably unprovable that spiders "think" at all. The author appears to ultimately agree when he writes the part in perentheses.
Apart from that, the sentence doesn't make sense from "risking" onwards.
We currently have an entry for Haplopelma schmidti that indicates that one child was killed by this species. I just checked, and the only citation we had for that claim is now gone. Furthermore, several other sites mention a "rumor" about such a death. There seems to be no positive claim being made anywhere at present -- except for the Wikipedia article, that is. P0M ( talk) 03:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
An edit by Logan that claimed to restore content actually removed a block of text. I went back to the version by Monty (which had previously been used as the basis for revision to a similar removal of that block of text), edited and saved. The system did not reveal my revision. Tried again. Same result. Made a test edit, previewed, and saved. That revision worked. Went back to the Monty version, "edited," previewed, and saved. That time everything worked as expected. P0M ( talk) 15:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
[1] -- Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 06:23, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
It appears that one or more people have been changing the name of the article on Australasian funnel web spiders. I don't have time to track this down now, but it used to be that Australian f w s redirected to Australasian f w s, no?
Currently the article has been changed several times by people with differing opinions on how these spiders should be named. Rather than getting into an edit war about it, let's discuss what has been going on. P0M ( talk) 17:17, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
The "spreadsheet" currently says of the genus Steotoda: "Study suggests its venom can be effective in treating widow bites because of their similarity." If a person has a black widow bite and you inject the patient with Steotoda venom, that procedure cannot work. It's adding oil to a burning fire. P0M ( talk) 21:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
I am inclined to merge the stub's very slight content with this article, and convert it to a redir to this article. I have left a note to that effect on the Arachnidism talk page, but have not commenced enemy action as yet. JonRichfield ( talk) 11:23, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
OK, no one howled, so I did it! JonRichfield ( talk) 20:15, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
I just made one run through this article and corrected numerous spelling mistakes. Some contributors have failed to check their own spelling. Please have a look at your screen for red spell-check indications and fix the "sierous" spelling errors you may find.
Does anyone know how to get a bot to run through this article to check for errors? There are so many things flagged that are actually Latin names, etc., that I probably missed a few. P0M ( talk) 06:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
I would rather the page not focus on death. The tone and logic is too casual. So I propose a reworking of the page in it's entirety. To list syndromes (tarantism, latrodectism, necrotic arachnidism, systemic loxoscelism and other arachnidism--atrax). The table woudl be a list of symptoms not the silly size LD-50 of mice and reported deaths. This is my intro " Spider bites have been implicated in many ailments through history. Notably wild dancing in the Middle Ages, death between the Great Wars, and skin ulcers in the 21st Century. Although the fear of spiders may be a European trait [1] Scientific advancement in Industrial Revolution and later put doubt into medical consequences of spider bites. Commonly held beleifs about spider bites were debunked as folktale and myth. California physician Emile Bogen cemented the consequences of black widow envenomation, or arachnidism, in the 20's [2] Several other types of arachnidism have been described since, however, folktale and myth still dominate the perception of spider bites. Importantly, most arthropod bites are not from spiders, no spider bite is typically fatal to humans and most skin wounds are not from a spider bite. Moderntarantula ( talk) 00:33, 20 January 2015 (UTC)ModernTarantula
References
Per this edit [2] the CDC states clearly that hobo spiders are a concern. Thus "more controversially" is not needed. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 00:08, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
References
I'm kinda curious about why the information about the three (now two) known families of spiders without venom glands was removed and replaced with "All spiders are venomous, but not all spider bites result in the injection of venom." This was the most readily available source of that information, and I only knew about it because I recalled reading this page about a year or two ago and thought to check the page history to make sure I wasn't going crazy. There aren't enough nonvenomous spiders to make a separate page I wouldn't think, either. Browser searching returns results for the huntsman, spider venom, and a little on Uloboridae. These families and the harvestmen urban legend were things I actually had to explain to some people just last week. 69.47.149.35 ( talk) 03:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Children & even adults have died do to the old practice of applying cold compresses to reduce swelling from bites of non lethal venomous insects & snakes. The venom is heat seeking was discovered after numerous deaths were caused by the wrong treatment. The ice or cold compresses drove the venom more quickly to the bite victims internal organs & heart. Using hot compress would be better to extract the poison. Trishdd ( talk) 22:30, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
By putting the material in the "Signs and symptoms" section first, before the "Diagnosis" section, a false impression is given that the symptoms described are likely to be from spider bites, whereas several reviews have shown that false diagnosis is common. I changed the order, but it was reverted. Peter coxhead ( talk) 16:55, 19 November 2017 (UTC)