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Yes he does, I read the Spider-Man comics where he is said to have mentioned in some comics that his superhuman speed, is called "proportionate speed of a spider" and "spider-speed", but that doesn't mean that it's equal to either Flash or Superman, his superhuman speed was measured in 200-250mph;
Read the link
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Spectacular-Spider-Man-1976/Issue-87?id=19204. Not just in Spectacular Spider-Man, during his battle against Green Goblin, in
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-40?id=4008, Spider-Man defeated Goblin where he says in his quote before defeating him, "Perhaps my strength can't save me now, Gobby...but I've another ace in the hole...don't tell me you've never heard of my swingin' SPIDER SPEED?!!" and then Spidey used it against Goblin and land a final blow by kicking him in the face. These are the proof that Spider-Man does possess superhuman speed, Like I said, his speed may not be quite equal to Flash or Superman, but his speed is said to have travel 200-250m/mph. If you read in Spider-Man's origin story
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Amazing-Fantasy-1962/Issue-15, when facing Crusher Hogan in the wrestling tournament, Peter mentions after dodging Crusher's attack before effortlessly lifting up; Peter quoted "It works! I have the 'speed', the agility, and very strength of a gigantic spider!" Spider-Man doesn't only possess agility, he possess speed, there are evidence where he is able to dodge bullets, and will appear or disappear in a blink of an eye. So no it's not wrong, it's true, you know if
Stan Lee's still alive, he'll explain to you the same opinion as I have, because he created, I read it and there is the fact that Spider-Man does possess speed!
Aaeliaba (
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19:08, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Even webswinging too, that's evidental that Spider-Man webswings at high speed and is able to catch up to speeding vehicles.
Aaeliaba (
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19:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Those quotes do not support the content you are trying to add. 'Speed' in colloquial english often refers to a person's reflexes, as it does in your examples. This is not the same as the 'superspeed' possessed by characters such as the Flash or Quicksilver. Spider-Man swings quickly, he does not run at hundreds of miles per hour.
MrOllie (
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19:37, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
200-250 is how fast he can run, but he prefers web-swings with his speed combined. I founded it in a site, "American teenager Peter Parker, a poor sickly orphan, is bitten by a radioactive spider. As a result of the bite, he gains superhuman strength, speed, and agility, along with the ability to cling to walls, turning him into Spider-Man." the whole world mostly confirms that Spider-Man not only possess agility and reflexes, but speed as well, and again I'm not saying Spider-Man's speed is equal to Flash, I'm saying that his speed was used by Spider-Man when jumping, dodging, delivering fast attacks against opponents, and appears and disappears without a blink of an eye!
Aaeliaba (
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19:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
You know, I don't believe that Spidey doesn't have superhuman speed, because he does as seen in comics, tv shows, movies, and video games. I don't get this.
Aaeliaba (
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19:47, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
' I founded it in a site' is not a citation. You'll need to find it in something like a book from a reputable publisher. Wikipedia articles are based on sources, not your personal impressions of what you've seen in comics or on your TV.
MrOllie (
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19:50, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
I mean that you have to follow Wikipedia policy as laid out at
WP:V,
WP:NOR, and
WP:RS. These are basic policies that are the foundation of all Wikipedia editing. If you don't understand them, you can ask for help at
WP:TEAHOUSE.
MrOllie (
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20:05, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
This video explains Spider-Man's powers and abilities, and his superhuman speed is included within minutes 01:38. And there's also another video where Spider-Man's speed is also mentioned and explained;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DOJz1ETXSBk&feature=youtu.be within minutes 4:19. Keep this in mind, not all speedster heroes and villains have speed like Sonic the Hedgehog, Flash, Quicksilver, or Superman, who can both move at 768-1000mph, some of other heroes and villains like Spider-Man, possess superhuman speed in a different way like in either at 100-200mphs, and just like a person said of how Spider-Man can move, he moves at 200mph, he's not moving like Sonic the Hedgehog, he moves by running at just 200 and surpasses the vehicle by running and can dodge bullets which neither of his enemies can touch him. So those are the videos that will explain to you how.
Aaeliaba (
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22:53, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Ok you got rid of speed from Spider-Man abilities profile, but why didn't you get rid of Miles Spider Gwen 2099 Ultimate Spider (Peter Parker) then if you think that all Spider people don't have proportionate speed of a spider in your own perspective?
Aaeliaba (
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23:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
I was looking at this article this week, perhaps I will edit those articles on another occasion. In any case the fact that I haven't fixed all errors everywhere does not mean I can't fix this error now.
MrOllie (
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23:19, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Wait, are you saying the article like Spider-Man article you'll be able to relook at it again and decide perhaps you the word speed back? I don't understand.
Aaeliaba (
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23:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
You know what, how about I put just by highlighting
Speed instead of putting back superspeed as highlighted
Speedster (fiction), because normal speed is Spider-Man because his proportionate speed of a spider is not equal to superspeeding heroes, but just 40 times faster than average human being. I'm just asking please as long as I don't edit the superhuman speed but just one word
Speed. Please?
Aaeliaba (
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23:56, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
The only reliable source is that
Spider-Man is said to be moving speed at 200-250mph it's evidential that he moves by swinging, outrunning the speeding vehicles, not only running, he can leap and perform agility like an athletic stuntman and dodging attacks and react quickly. It's not the agility and reflexes he used, he combines them with speed.
Aaeliaba (
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00:16, 22 June 2023 (UTC)reply
If not enough then I'll just have to find reputable sources, Marvel is mostly published and reputable companies in the world and explains Spider-Man's superhuman speed.
Aaeliaba (
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00:44, 22 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Marvel.com does not support what you are trying to put into the article. You need something that exactly supports the content, not something that is vaguely similar.
MrOllie (
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00:45, 22 June 2023 (UTC)reply
I don't believe such a source exists, so I am not able to provide the source for you. Honestly, I suggest you just move on.
MrOllie (
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00:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Fine but for just the record, this doesn't convince me that Spider-Man doesn't have superhuman speed, I'm not making things up to you but I'm that he does possess not like Flash but definitely he possess the spider speed based on what he's shown to have one in comics and as it shows descriptions. Fine I'm not expecting you to put it right now, but I'm not convinced and because Marvel did actually that he does have superhuman speed of a spider. That's it.
Aaeliaba (
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01:04, 22 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Nothing has changed. Waiting a month and then returning to this edit war is not going to magically help you get your way. You still need to provide reliable sourcing that supports your edits. -
MrOllie (
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21:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Honestly if Spider-Man does not have superhuman speed as you said, then this wouldn't mean that he possess agility and reflexes, his speed is the main reason why Spider-Man has the agility and reflexes, speed is the parent of the agility and reflexes. Otherwise, if he doesn't have spider-speed, then he would have possess the agility or reflexes then.
Aaeliaba (
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20:46, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
First things first, just because that you revert it by edit warring does not mean it's gonna change the Spider-Man's powers section, I'm not saying your wrong Aaeliaba, but what you are doing, you shoud've thought about discussing without revert repeatly, I mean you can still talk about it without any further reverts.
Aaroncrazy (
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20:50, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
MrOllie, I apologize to see Aaeliaba causing edit warring, I know, he should've explain this to you by finding reliable source. But as I relook at Spider-Man's powers section in
Spider-Man page, I look through the sources and it's says The Science of Superheroes which includes Spider-Man and his powers and abilities correct?
Aaroncrazy (
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20:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The Science of Superheroes is the one what I found in Spider-Man page, as I clicked in Powers, skills, and equipment, is that the one you guys are arguing about?
Aaroncrazy (
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21:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
New talk page posts go at the bottom, so the postings appear in the order they were made. Don't add text in the middle of a talk section. The article additions are being made with no source at all, which is the problem. The Science of Superheroes does not support the additions being made so that is irrelevant. In fact it notes the opposite - that spiders "are not noted as being particularly fast for their size."
MrOllie (
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21:10, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
But according to what I read just now it appears what it says, yes you're right, they are not "particularly fast for their size", but it says that "Spiders move 'quickly'". Basically I'm not trying to say that Spider-Man's speed is equal to Flash, but his speed in comics especially in the science of superheroes were noted to be called "spider speed" as says in the origin of Spider-Man content. Well at least to Aaeliaba, at first let me say this, he could've at least find out about it instead of vandalizing to revert it back, but the speed he has a point, but his actions of edit warring, he should've not done that could've explained this reliable sentence which I'm doing right now, just to argue about it properly. I think Spider-Man's speed is the main reason why he's been agile superhero and can also possess reflexes as well. The Science of Superheroes says that "Considering that Peter gained spider strength, spider agility, and 'spider speed', but if spider speed is not included in Spidey's abilities section, then the marvel including the documentary science superheroes book wouldn't mention all three, instead they would've include just two. So what I'm trying to say is that Spider-Man doesn't only possess spider-strength and spider-agility according to official creators in Marvel, he also possess "spider-speed".
Aaroncrazy (
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21:37, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
I mean what they're telling us, that Spider-Man's spider-speed don't mean that it's equal to the speedster heroes and villains, but it doesn't that Spider-Man is not fast. Honestly, not all superheroes like Spider-Man, and supervillains have superhuman speed are equivalent to the Flash, Superman, Sonic, or any other speedsters, some of them like Spider-Man possess superhuman speed in a very different way.
Spider-man315 (
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21:46, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Spider-Man's profile on the official Marvel website states that he possesses superhuman speed, so I added the information on his superhuman speed back into the article with the reference. I used Marvel.com as the reference, so it is certainly a reliable source for information on Spider-Man's powers.[1]The Editor 155 (
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17:59, 29 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The reference I used comes from Marvel.com, so it is certainly reputable, and it very clearly says that he can move at superhuman speeds in the sidebar section which lists all his powers. The main text of the source also mentions his speed. And the Spider-Man: Back in Black Handbook, which was published by Marvel, also states that Spider-Man can run several times faster than even the fasted non-superpowered human, which is the literal definition of superhuman speed, so I could also include this as a reputable source. Can I also ask why you removed the Marvel Comics businesspeople category which I added? I added it because of Parker Industries. The Fictional business executives category is already included on the page, so Spider-Man would certainly be counted as a businessperson.
The Editor 155 (
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10:19, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
To quote
WP:CAT: The defining characteristics of an article's topic are central to categorizing the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic. Spider-man is not commonly and consistently referred to as a business person. As to the speed stuff, see the discussion above. Most sources (for example
the Escapist) that have written about this stuff place him well short of characters noted for speed (like the Flash or Quicksliver), so categorizing the character that way is highly misleading. And, again, he is not "commonly and consistently" categorized that way.
MrOllie (
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13:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Why does it matter if Spider-Man is not as fast as characters like the Flash or Quicksilver? There are literally hundreds of Marvel characters who are categorized for having superhuman speed, and many of them are not characters who are commonly associated with the ability. I do not understand why it would be seen as misleading to categorize Spider-Man this way when he is known for possessing superhuman speed, and the category is for characters who possess the ability.
The Editor 155 (
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13:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Why would categorizing Marvel Comics characters who can move at superhuman speeds as Marvel Comics characters who can move at superhuman speeds be improper? — Preceding
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Perhaps you didn't read my message above. I'll repeat the relevant quotation from
WP:CAT again: The defining characteristics of an article's topic are central to categorizing the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic. -
MrOllie (
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13:48, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
You state that in that request "There is a long discussion on the Spider-Man talk page where we tried to resolve the dispute", but the long discussion is with Aaeliaba. Is that also your account? -
MrOllie (
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14:05, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
No, I only have one account. I meant a discussion between all the editors on the talk page. — Preceding
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You should be aware that every comment in this section that is not from either myself or from you is from a single person who has been blocked for sockpuppetry. -
MrOllie (
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14:15, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Why is it now how DRN works? And the DRN listing will still draw people to this talk page, so I think it was appropriate for me to have posted it on there. Also, you said more people will appear on the talk page as it is a highly watched article, but you also said in an early post that all the other editors who responded were actually just one person who had been blocked for sockpuppetry, and the discussion started in all the way back in June. So, it seems like not many people were previously taking part in the discussion. -
The Editor 155 (
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14:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
DRN is a moderated discussion, not an invitation for additional comment. Such a process is premature, this new discussion is only a few hours old.
MrOllie (
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15:39, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Here from DRN, as was predicted. Probably just going to chime in here once, but it has always been fairly apparent to me that Spider Man possesses super speed. He has been shown many times to perform tasks such as dodging blows or bullets that would require, by definition, speed unachievable by a normal human. That is what I believe the Cat should refer to. Though, I can appreciate MrOllie's desire to keep the Super Speed Cat dedicated to specific speedsters whose primary power is to run fast, but that simply isn't what the super power entails. Spider Man may not break the sound barrier with a brisk jog, but he could probably out sprint
Usain Bolt. I believe this disagreement could be summed up to an difference of interpretation of how powers should be categorized on Wikipedia, which I believe should be a little more broadly than MrOllie's view, though I do not want to misrepresent your perspective, so feel free to correct me if that is not the case.
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09:40, 3 January 2024 (UTC)reply
^Spider-Man: Back in Black Handbook. New York: Marvel. April 11, 2007.
Graph image in Cultural impact and legacy section
When you click on the graph image source and log in to The Licensing Letter it redirect to the last Licensing Letter list from 2018 and not the one from 2016. Should we remove the image? I'm not sure if the Licensing Letter list from 2016 is behind a paywall now.
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11:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC)reply
It's probably a good idea. The 2016 letter doesn't seem to be accessible, and in any case, the information in the graph is probably out-of-date.
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10:15, 25 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Prose: Checked: Looks good to me (I've already copyedited the article, no major grammar flaws or spelling mistakes were found)
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List of all references with appropriate formatting: Checked
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There are only three or so "citation needed" tags, so this article will not fail GA reassessment instantly.
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Comment: I'm really not sure what content is plagiarized here, so if anyone could check it for me, that would be great.
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Recently, I've copyedited this article and edited fictional content into present tense. However, this article was promoted to GA status back in 2014, and the article looked vastly different to what it is now. This article may violate GAC criterion 2D, and the copyright violation report can be found
here. Note that the top result is a fan site. I also feel that some of the images in the article violate criterion 6B, as the images may not have suitable captions.
TarantulaTM (
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21:41, 7 August 2023 (UTC)reply
On criterion 2D ("not plagarism" - side note, it's convenient to remind readers which criteria is which): The copyright violation report doesn't look remotely problematic to me. All of the top hits are bloggy sources that don't actually appear to be that close to the article and were published long after the article was made a GA, so they're just copying Wikipedia rather than Wikipedia copying them. For images, "suitable captions" is
WP:SOFIXIT territory - I don't see what's so problematic with the existing captions, but if you have ideas to improve them, you should just go ahead & edit them in. Now, it's possible that the article isn't GA and/or just needs a refresher due to looking very different from the promoted version, but I'm not sold the problem, if any, is in image captions or in copyright violation.
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Hey, I've added the most recent spidey redirect template, but I see the page is already marked with two. I'm unfamiliar with the multi redirect template and frankly, I would rather someone who is maintaining this page more closely adjust the hatnotes themselves. Just pinging here in case someone wanted to review the most recent redirect hatnote for
Spidey (disambiguation). Thanks,
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Yes he does, I read the Spider-Man comics where he is said to have mentioned in some comics that his superhuman speed, is called "proportionate speed of a spider" and "spider-speed", but that doesn't mean that it's equal to either Flash or Superman, his superhuman speed was measured in 200-250mph;
Read the link
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Spectacular-Spider-Man-1976/Issue-87?id=19204. Not just in Spectacular Spider-Man, during his battle against Green Goblin, in
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-40?id=4008, Spider-Man defeated Goblin where he says in his quote before defeating him, "Perhaps my strength can't save me now, Gobby...but I've another ace in the hole...don't tell me you've never heard of my swingin' SPIDER SPEED?!!" and then Spidey used it against Goblin and land a final blow by kicking him in the face. These are the proof that Spider-Man does possess superhuman speed, Like I said, his speed may not be quite equal to Flash or Superman, but his speed is said to have travel 200-250m/mph. If you read in Spider-Man's origin story
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Amazing-Fantasy-1962/Issue-15, when facing Crusher Hogan in the wrestling tournament, Peter mentions after dodging Crusher's attack before effortlessly lifting up; Peter quoted "It works! I have the 'speed', the agility, and very strength of a gigantic spider!" Spider-Man doesn't only possess agility, he possess speed, there are evidence where he is able to dodge bullets, and will appear or disappear in a blink of an eye. So no it's not wrong, it's true, you know if
Stan Lee's still alive, he'll explain to you the same opinion as I have, because he created, I read it and there is the fact that Spider-Man does possess speed!
Aaeliaba (
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19:08, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Even webswinging too, that's evidental that Spider-Man webswings at high speed and is able to catch up to speeding vehicles.
Aaeliaba (
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19:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Those quotes do not support the content you are trying to add. 'Speed' in colloquial english often refers to a person's reflexes, as it does in your examples. This is not the same as the 'superspeed' possessed by characters such as the Flash or Quicksilver. Spider-Man swings quickly, he does not run at hundreds of miles per hour.
MrOllie (
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19:37, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
200-250 is how fast he can run, but he prefers web-swings with his speed combined. I founded it in a site, "American teenager Peter Parker, a poor sickly orphan, is bitten by a radioactive spider. As a result of the bite, he gains superhuman strength, speed, and agility, along with the ability to cling to walls, turning him into Spider-Man." the whole world mostly confirms that Spider-Man not only possess agility and reflexes, but speed as well, and again I'm not saying Spider-Man's speed is equal to Flash, I'm saying that his speed was used by Spider-Man when jumping, dodging, delivering fast attacks against opponents, and appears and disappears without a blink of an eye!
Aaeliaba (
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19:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
You know, I don't believe that Spidey doesn't have superhuman speed, because he does as seen in comics, tv shows, movies, and video games. I don't get this.
Aaeliaba (
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19:47, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
' I founded it in a site' is not a citation. You'll need to find it in something like a book from a reputable publisher. Wikipedia articles are based on sources, not your personal impressions of what you've seen in comics or on your TV.
MrOllie (
talk)
19:50, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
I mean that you have to follow Wikipedia policy as laid out at
WP:V,
WP:NOR, and
WP:RS. These are basic policies that are the foundation of all Wikipedia editing. If you don't understand them, you can ask for help at
WP:TEAHOUSE.
MrOllie (
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20:05, 20 June 2023 (UTC)reply
This video explains Spider-Man's powers and abilities, and his superhuman speed is included within minutes 01:38. And there's also another video where Spider-Man's speed is also mentioned and explained;
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DOJz1ETXSBk&feature=youtu.be within minutes 4:19. Keep this in mind, not all speedster heroes and villains have speed like Sonic the Hedgehog, Flash, Quicksilver, or Superman, who can both move at 768-1000mph, some of other heroes and villains like Spider-Man, possess superhuman speed in a different way like in either at 100-200mphs, and just like a person said of how Spider-Man can move, he moves at 200mph, he's not moving like Sonic the Hedgehog, he moves by running at just 200 and surpasses the vehicle by running and can dodge bullets which neither of his enemies can touch him. So those are the videos that will explain to you how.
Aaeliaba (
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22:53, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Ok you got rid of speed from Spider-Man abilities profile, but why didn't you get rid of Miles Spider Gwen 2099 Ultimate Spider (Peter Parker) then if you think that all Spider people don't have proportionate speed of a spider in your own perspective?
Aaeliaba (
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23:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
I was looking at this article this week, perhaps I will edit those articles on another occasion. In any case the fact that I haven't fixed all errors everywhere does not mean I can't fix this error now.
MrOllie (
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23:19, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Wait, are you saying the article like Spider-Man article you'll be able to relook at it again and decide perhaps you the word speed back? I don't understand.
Aaeliaba (
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23:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
You know what, how about I put just by highlighting
Speed instead of putting back superspeed as highlighted
Speedster (fiction), because normal speed is Spider-Man because his proportionate speed of a spider is not equal to superspeeding heroes, but just 40 times faster than average human being. I'm just asking please as long as I don't edit the superhuman speed but just one word
Speed. Please?
Aaeliaba (
talk)
23:56, 21 June 2023 (UTC)reply
The only reliable source is that
Spider-Man is said to be moving speed at 200-250mph it's evidential that he moves by swinging, outrunning the speeding vehicles, not only running, he can leap and perform agility like an athletic stuntman and dodging attacks and react quickly. It's not the agility and reflexes he used, he combines them with speed.
Aaeliaba (
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00:16, 22 June 2023 (UTC)reply
If not enough then I'll just have to find reputable sources, Marvel is mostly published and reputable companies in the world and explains Spider-Man's superhuman speed.
Aaeliaba (
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00:44, 22 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Marvel.com does not support what you are trying to put into the article. You need something that exactly supports the content, not something that is vaguely similar.
MrOllie (
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00:45, 22 June 2023 (UTC)reply
I don't believe such a source exists, so I am not able to provide the source for you. Honestly, I suggest you just move on.
MrOllie (
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00:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Fine but for just the record, this doesn't convince me that Spider-Man doesn't have superhuman speed, I'm not making things up to you but I'm that he does possess not like Flash but definitely he possess the spider speed based on what he's shown to have one in comics and as it shows descriptions. Fine I'm not expecting you to put it right now, but I'm not convinced and because Marvel did actually that he does have superhuman speed of a spider. That's it.
Aaeliaba (
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01:04, 22 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Nothing has changed. Waiting a month and then returning to this edit war is not going to magically help you get your way. You still need to provide reliable sourcing that supports your edits. -
MrOllie (
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21:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Honestly if Spider-Man does not have superhuman speed as you said, then this wouldn't mean that he possess agility and reflexes, his speed is the main reason why Spider-Man has the agility and reflexes, speed is the parent of the agility and reflexes. Otherwise, if he doesn't have spider-speed, then he would have possess the agility or reflexes then.
Aaeliaba (
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20:46, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
First things first, just because that you revert it by edit warring does not mean it's gonna change the Spider-Man's powers section, I'm not saying your wrong Aaeliaba, but what you are doing, you shoud've thought about discussing without revert repeatly, I mean you can still talk about it without any further reverts.
Aaroncrazy (
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20:50, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
MrOllie, I apologize to see Aaeliaba causing edit warring, I know, he should've explain this to you by finding reliable source. But as I relook at Spider-Man's powers section in
Spider-Man page, I look through the sources and it's says The Science of Superheroes which includes Spider-Man and his powers and abilities correct?
Aaroncrazy (
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20:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The Science of Superheroes is the one what I found in Spider-Man page, as I clicked in Powers, skills, and equipment, is that the one you guys are arguing about?
Aaroncrazy (
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21:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
New talk page posts go at the bottom, so the postings appear in the order they were made. Don't add text in the middle of a talk section. The article additions are being made with no source at all, which is the problem. The Science of Superheroes does not support the additions being made so that is irrelevant. In fact it notes the opposite - that spiders "are not noted as being particularly fast for their size."
MrOllie (
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21:10, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
But according to what I read just now it appears what it says, yes you're right, they are not "particularly fast for their size", but it says that "Spiders move 'quickly'". Basically I'm not trying to say that Spider-Man's speed is equal to Flash, but his speed in comics especially in the science of superheroes were noted to be called "spider speed" as says in the origin of Spider-Man content. Well at least to Aaeliaba, at first let me say this, he could've at least find out about it instead of vandalizing to revert it back, but the speed he has a point, but his actions of edit warring, he should've not done that could've explained this reliable sentence which I'm doing right now, just to argue about it properly. I think Spider-Man's speed is the main reason why he's been agile superhero and can also possess reflexes as well. The Science of Superheroes says that "Considering that Peter gained spider strength, spider agility, and 'spider speed', but if spider speed is not included in Spidey's abilities section, then the marvel including the documentary science superheroes book wouldn't mention all three, instead they would've include just two. So what I'm trying to say is that Spider-Man doesn't only possess spider-strength and spider-agility according to official creators in Marvel, he also possess "spider-speed".
Aaroncrazy (
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21:37, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
I mean what they're telling us, that Spider-Man's spider-speed don't mean that it's equal to the speedster heroes and villains, but it doesn't that Spider-Man is not fast. Honestly, not all superheroes like Spider-Man, and supervillains have superhuman speed are equivalent to the Flash, Superman, Sonic, or any other speedsters, some of them like Spider-Man possess superhuman speed in a very different way.
Spider-man315 (
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21:46, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Spider-Man's profile on the official Marvel website states that he possesses superhuman speed, so I added the information on his superhuman speed back into the article with the reference. I used Marvel.com as the reference, so it is certainly a reliable source for information on Spider-Man's powers.[1]The Editor 155 (
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17:59, 29 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The reference I used comes from Marvel.com, so it is certainly reputable, and it very clearly says that he can move at superhuman speeds in the sidebar section which lists all his powers. The main text of the source also mentions his speed. And the Spider-Man: Back in Black Handbook, which was published by Marvel, also states that Spider-Man can run several times faster than even the fasted non-superpowered human, which is the literal definition of superhuman speed, so I could also include this as a reputable source. Can I also ask why you removed the Marvel Comics businesspeople category which I added? I added it because of Parker Industries. The Fictional business executives category is already included on the page, so Spider-Man would certainly be counted as a businessperson.
The Editor 155 (
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10:19, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
To quote
WP:CAT: The defining characteristics of an article's topic are central to categorizing the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic. Spider-man is not commonly and consistently referred to as a business person. As to the speed stuff, see the discussion above. Most sources (for example
the Escapist) that have written about this stuff place him well short of characters noted for speed (like the Flash or Quicksliver), so categorizing the character that way is highly misleading. And, again, he is not "commonly and consistently" categorized that way.
MrOllie (
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13:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Why does it matter if Spider-Man is not as fast as characters like the Flash or Quicksilver? There are literally hundreds of Marvel characters who are categorized for having superhuman speed, and many of them are not characters who are commonly associated with the ability. I do not understand why it would be seen as misleading to categorize Spider-Man this way when he is known for possessing superhuman speed, and the category is for characters who possess the ability.
The Editor 155 (
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13:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Why would categorizing Marvel Comics characters who can move at superhuman speeds as Marvel Comics characters who can move at superhuman speeds be improper? — Preceding
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Perhaps you didn't read my message above. I'll repeat the relevant quotation from
WP:CAT again: The defining characteristics of an article's topic are central to categorizing the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic. -
MrOllie (
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13:48, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
You state that in that request "There is a long discussion on the Spider-Man talk page where we tried to resolve the dispute", but the long discussion is with Aaeliaba. Is that also your account? -
MrOllie (
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14:05, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
No, I only have one account. I meant a discussion between all the editors on the talk page. — Preceding
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You should be aware that every comment in this section that is not from either myself or from you is from a single person who has been blocked for sockpuppetry. -
MrOllie (
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14:15, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Why is it now how DRN works? And the DRN listing will still draw people to this talk page, so I think it was appropriate for me to have posted it on there. Also, you said more people will appear on the talk page as it is a highly watched article, but you also said in an early post that all the other editors who responded were actually just one person who had been blocked for sockpuppetry, and the discussion started in all the way back in June. So, it seems like not many people were previously taking part in the discussion. -
The Editor 155 (
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14:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
DRN is a moderated discussion, not an invitation for additional comment. Such a process is premature, this new discussion is only a few hours old.
MrOllie (
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15:39, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Here from DRN, as was predicted. Probably just going to chime in here once, but it has always been fairly apparent to me that Spider Man possesses super speed. He has been shown many times to perform tasks such as dodging blows or bullets that would require, by definition, speed unachievable by a normal human. That is what I believe the Cat should refer to. Though, I can appreciate MrOllie's desire to keep the Super Speed Cat dedicated to specific speedsters whose primary power is to run fast, but that simply isn't what the super power entails. Spider Man may not break the sound barrier with a brisk jog, but he could probably out sprint
Usain Bolt. I believe this disagreement could be summed up to an difference of interpretation of how powers should be categorized on Wikipedia, which I believe should be a little more broadly than MrOllie's view, though I do not want to misrepresent your perspective, so feel free to correct me if that is not the case.
192.77.12.11 (
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09:40, 3 January 2024 (UTC)reply
^Spider-Man: Back in Black Handbook. New York: Marvel. April 11, 2007.
Graph image in Cultural impact and legacy section
When you click on the graph image source and log in to The Licensing Letter it redirect to the last Licensing Letter list from 2018 and not the one from 2016. Should we remove the image? I'm not sure if the Licensing Letter list from 2016 is behind a paywall now.
Timur9008 (
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11:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC)reply
It's probably a good idea. The 2016 letter doesn't seem to be accessible, and in any case, the information in the graph is probably out-of-date.
Betty Logan (
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10:15, 25 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Prose: Checked: Looks good to me (I've already copyedited the article, no major grammar flaws or spelling mistakes were found)
Manual of Style compliance: removed a few editorializing words (per words to watch)
Lead, layout, words to watch, fiction: Checked
2. Verifiable with no original research
List of all references with appropriate formatting: Checked
Reliable sources with inline citations for questionable material: Checked
There are only three or so "citation needed" tags, so this article will not fail GA reassessment instantly.
Original research: nothing found. Checked
Copyvios
Earwig's Copyvio Detector report can be found here:
[1], with the top source having a 66.7% violation possibility (however, the source is a fan site and Wikipedia mirror. The article does not cite this source at all.)
Comment: I'm really not sure what content is plagiarized here, so if anyone could check it for me, that would be great.
3. Broad in its coverage
Main aspects addressed: Publication history, character development, impact on popular culture: Checked
Focused on the topic: Checked
4. Neutral
Checked: The article doesn't make fun of the creators or praise Spider-Man in the author's own words.
5. Stable
Checked: When I copyedited, there were no edit wars.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Recently, I've copyedited this article and edited fictional content into present tense. However, this article was promoted to GA status back in 2014, and the article looked vastly different to what it is now. This article may violate GAC criterion 2D, and the copyright violation report can be found
here. Note that the top result is a fan site. I also feel that some of the images in the article violate criterion 6B, as the images may not have suitable captions.
TarantulaTM (
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21:41, 7 August 2023 (UTC)reply
On criterion 2D ("not plagarism" - side note, it's convenient to remind readers which criteria is which): The copyright violation report doesn't look remotely problematic to me. All of the top hits are bloggy sources that don't actually appear to be that close to the article and were published long after the article was made a GA, so they're just copying Wikipedia rather than Wikipedia copying them. For images, "suitable captions" is
WP:SOFIXIT territory - I don't see what's so problematic with the existing captions, but if you have ideas to improve them, you should just go ahead & edit them in. Now, it's possible that the article isn't GA and/or just needs a refresher due to looking very different from the promoted version, but I'm not sold the problem, if any, is in image captions or in copyright violation.
SnowFire (
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23:24, 18 August 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hey, I've added the most recent spidey redirect template, but I see the page is already marked with two. I'm unfamiliar with the multi redirect template and frankly, I would rather someone who is maintaining this page more closely adjust the hatnotes themselves. Just pinging here in case someone wanted to review the most recent redirect hatnote for
Spidey (disambiguation). Thanks,
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