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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 09:55, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
About name see definition.-- Dunkedun ( talk) 16:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
All the important articles about wars in Wikipedia use a collage of important battles or images as the main image. For this I made File:Independencia sudamericana.jpg, but it was recently removed as having perhaps some Argentine bias in the chosing of the images. I'm open to suggestions of possible ideas to replace images, but always having in mind that the battles should be key to the development of the war itself, not mere skirmishs, and that the heroes in them should not be repeated if possible.
The one of the crossing of the Andes have a higher size because it's a square image instead of a rectangular one. Yes, this arrangement gives it more predominance, but I don't think that's much of a problem: it is clearly the most important military action of the whole war, and the image in it have prominent images of San Martín and O'Higgins, heroes of Argentina and Chile, which is better than having 2 different images for both.
The battle of Salta may be a potencial candidate for replacement, if a better option is suggested. It was a key battle in Argentine independence but not a decisive one, and I'm not sure about its effects outside of Argentina. MBelgrano ( talk) 00:35, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Main objections:
MBelgrano your image look argentinians pictures: then put your national picture in the article of Argentine War of Independence
Sugestions for New Image:
Bye.-- Santos30 ( talk) 10:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
-- Santos30 ( talk) 14:35, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
With respect to Hpav7, the previous image put by Santos30 with the smaller globe at the bottom was more esthetically pleasing. In the current version the globe is overpowering and diminishes the impact that these paintings have on the reader's imagination. A map, or maps, would go perfectly well in the body of the text. TriniMuñoz ( talk) 09:51, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
File:Hisparevol.gif does not work unless click on twice to see in full resolution. Even then it changes far to quickly and needs to be slowed down. Gaius Octavius Princeps ( talk) 12:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Should we nominate this article for Good Article status, or do you think it needs more work? Cambalachero ( talk) 23:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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Hopefully, the suggestions above aren't overwhelming. I'd be glad to help with any fixing-up you want to do. Here is the checklist for GA, however, and my commentary. If we can add some more citations and double-check for grammar/spelling again, I'll pass it for GA as soon as possible.
This is an extremely well-done article, even if my comments above suggest otherwise. They may be of use when doing an A-class review at the Military History WikiProject, which I strongly encourage you to do.
Are any of you interested in bringing this forward to a WikiProject for A-class review? DCI talk 02:08, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Please User:Cambalachero give us the references, I never read something like that. As far I know Portugal never support the spaniards in their war against patriots.-- Santos30 ( talk) 15:44, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
There is no mention of the country, its independence from Spain, its re-annexation or its second independence from Spain.-- El Mayimbe ( talk) 05:39, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
While I welcome the countinuing expansion of this article, I noted that there is no mention of the key military feats of the Argentine war of independence before the Crossing of the Andes. These developments are important as they included action in the territories of four current nations and secured a stronghold that was never reconquered by the royalists, and from where San Martín could launch its campaigns. Salut!
As someone who is relatively unfamiliar with this subject, I found this article to be quite hard to follow (and I honestly doubt it deserves its Good Article status). The main issue, I think, is in chronology. As one example, in the sub-section "Restoration of Ferdinand VII", it describes his dissolution of the constitution, but the Spanish Constitution of 1812 is not actually introduced and explained until later. This is but one instance of how this article tends to feel like it's shifting back and forth in the narrative. I also find that this article seems to provide insufficient details about the course of events. In the section "Wars for disputed sovereignty, 1810–14", it provides many links to main articles concerning events of this period, but it avoids actually summarizing these in the section. Instead, it provides some further explanations of the elements of the movement and the general mood (i.e. social tensions, regional rivalries, and the extent to which independence was an initial goal). However, without the narrative is hard to follow when events are not described. There is a link to the main article of the May Revolution, for instance, and yet this article never ever mentions it whatsoever. Sol Pacificus ( talk) 07:04, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
"Spain's Royal Army also was in the Mexican side, because the royalist criollo Colonel Agustín de Iturbide that joined the pro-independence side."
Im not see this point. San Martin and Bolivar and many others was in the Forced armes of Spain too -- Caminoderoma ( talk) 01:37, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
The template does not reflect Historical facts. A huge part of Spanish-American wars of independence was is insurgency and counterinsurgency. Regular warfare is more important in South America, but both belligerents used regular and irregular warfare in many phases. Many times out of the control of any government.-- Caminoderoma ( talk) 16:43, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Neutral countries improves reader understanding. The understanding of this war is incomplete without referring to the context of international support, even if it is unofficial, it was directly related to independence (as recruiting navies or armies from a territory or annexing Spanish territories) from the countries that supported both sides. -- Pacopepe 50 ( talk) 18:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
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I believe that if a reference is needed it can be added, and it will be, but removing the support of neutral countries makes the table and the article less comprehensible. -- 1000mil ( talk) 21:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
To Wendylove, No, I do not talk about any "territorial war". Only the post-Napoleonic international framework must be clarified in scarce lines. The references say that Floridas and Texas and Russian Warships was a part of Spanish American wars of independence.
Yes, that's true, the United Kingdom dominated the seas in that era, but the war of the insurgent privateers was uncontrollable (and I'm not talking only about the privateer's war of the official Latin American navies). Yes, I have sources See:
-- 1000mil ( talk) 16:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
see this book:
-- 1000mil ( talk) 17:57, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
To
Wendylove
"New Spain and Central America" section is confusing. Second paragraph especially needs a rewrite; I myself cannot understand it. For example, the name "O'Donoju" suddenly appears without introducition of who he was, and there is a confusing ungrammatical sentece about laws and subsequent Mexico.. Acwilson9 ( talk) 04:59, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
How were the enslaved and oppressed indigenous and African residents impacted by the wars? This should be addressed, but is not. (I myself lack the necessary knowledge to address this.) Acwilson9 ( talk) 05:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Cuba is shown in the intro map, but is not addressed in the article. Acwilson9 ( talk) 05:08, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
What on earth does the phrase “pre-[[Indusree-quarters in Mexico” in the Effects of Independence…Economics section refer to? Mr Larrington ( talk) 10:57, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Napoleon Bonaparte wished to dominate the Iberian Peninsula and Spanish America. Never independence. The later role of France after the Bourbon restoration is that of an ally of Ferdinand VII in the Iberian Peninsula until the end of the war. But never contributed material or combatants for the wars of emancipation. -- Vicentemovil ( talk) 15:52, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 11 September 2019 and 24 January 2020. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
LeonelaSerrano.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 09:55, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
About name see definition.-- Dunkedun ( talk) 16:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
All the important articles about wars in Wikipedia use a collage of important battles or images as the main image. For this I made File:Independencia sudamericana.jpg, but it was recently removed as having perhaps some Argentine bias in the chosing of the images. I'm open to suggestions of possible ideas to replace images, but always having in mind that the battles should be key to the development of the war itself, not mere skirmishs, and that the heroes in them should not be repeated if possible.
The one of the crossing of the Andes have a higher size because it's a square image instead of a rectangular one. Yes, this arrangement gives it more predominance, but I don't think that's much of a problem: it is clearly the most important military action of the whole war, and the image in it have prominent images of San Martín and O'Higgins, heroes of Argentina and Chile, which is better than having 2 different images for both.
The battle of Salta may be a potencial candidate for replacement, if a better option is suggested. It was a key battle in Argentine independence but not a decisive one, and I'm not sure about its effects outside of Argentina. MBelgrano ( talk) 00:35, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Main objections:
MBelgrano your image look argentinians pictures: then put your national picture in the article of Argentine War of Independence
Sugestions for New Image:
Bye.-- Santos30 ( talk) 10:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
-- Santos30 ( talk) 14:35, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
With respect to Hpav7, the previous image put by Santos30 with the smaller globe at the bottom was more esthetically pleasing. In the current version the globe is overpowering and diminishes the impact that these paintings have on the reader's imagination. A map, or maps, would go perfectly well in the body of the text. TriniMuñoz ( talk) 09:51, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
File:Hisparevol.gif does not work unless click on twice to see in full resolution. Even then it changes far to quickly and needs to be slowed down. Gaius Octavius Princeps ( talk) 12:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Should we nominate this article for Good Article status, or do you think it needs more work? Cambalachero ( talk) 23:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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Reviewer: DCI ( talk · contribs) 17:46, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Hopefully, the suggestions above aren't overwhelming. I'd be glad to help with any fixing-up you want to do. Here is the checklist for GA, however, and my commentary. If we can add some more citations and double-check for grammar/spelling again, I'll pass it for GA as soon as possible.
This is an extremely well-done article, even if my comments above suggest otherwise. They may be of use when doing an A-class review at the Military History WikiProject, which I strongly encourage you to do.
Are any of you interested in bringing this forward to a WikiProject for A-class review? DCI talk 02:08, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Please User:Cambalachero give us the references, I never read something like that. As far I know Portugal never support the spaniards in their war against patriots.-- Santos30 ( talk) 15:44, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
There is no mention of the country, its independence from Spain, its re-annexation or its second independence from Spain.-- El Mayimbe ( talk) 05:39, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
While I welcome the countinuing expansion of this article, I noted that there is no mention of the key military feats of the Argentine war of independence before the Crossing of the Andes. These developments are important as they included action in the territories of four current nations and secured a stronghold that was never reconquered by the royalists, and from where San Martín could launch its campaigns. Salut!
As someone who is relatively unfamiliar with this subject, I found this article to be quite hard to follow (and I honestly doubt it deserves its Good Article status). The main issue, I think, is in chronology. As one example, in the sub-section "Restoration of Ferdinand VII", it describes his dissolution of the constitution, but the Spanish Constitution of 1812 is not actually introduced and explained until later. This is but one instance of how this article tends to feel like it's shifting back and forth in the narrative. I also find that this article seems to provide insufficient details about the course of events. In the section "Wars for disputed sovereignty, 1810–14", it provides many links to main articles concerning events of this period, but it avoids actually summarizing these in the section. Instead, it provides some further explanations of the elements of the movement and the general mood (i.e. social tensions, regional rivalries, and the extent to which independence was an initial goal). However, without the narrative is hard to follow when events are not described. There is a link to the main article of the May Revolution, for instance, and yet this article never ever mentions it whatsoever. Sol Pacificus ( talk) 07:04, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
"Spain's Royal Army also was in the Mexican side, because the royalist criollo Colonel Agustín de Iturbide that joined the pro-independence side."
Im not see this point. San Martin and Bolivar and many others was in the Forced armes of Spain too -- Caminoderoma ( talk) 01:37, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
The template does not reflect Historical facts. A huge part of Spanish-American wars of independence was is insurgency and counterinsurgency. Regular warfare is more important in South America, but both belligerents used regular and irregular warfare in many phases. Many times out of the control of any government.-- Caminoderoma ( talk) 16:43, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Neutral countries improves reader understanding. The understanding of this war is incomplete without referring to the context of international support, even if it is unofficial, it was directly related to independence (as recruiting navies or armies from a territory or annexing Spanish territories) from the countries that supported both sides. -- Pacopepe 50 ( talk) 18:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
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I believe that if a reference is needed it can be added, and it will be, but removing the support of neutral countries makes the table and the article less comprehensible. -- 1000mil ( talk) 21:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
To Wendylove, No, I do not talk about any "territorial war". Only the post-Napoleonic international framework must be clarified in scarce lines. The references say that Floridas and Texas and Russian Warships was a part of Spanish American wars of independence.
Yes, that's true, the United Kingdom dominated the seas in that era, but the war of the insurgent privateers was uncontrollable (and I'm not talking only about the privateer's war of the official Latin American navies). Yes, I have sources See:
-- 1000mil ( talk) 16:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
see this book:
-- 1000mil ( talk) 17:57, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
To
Wendylove
"New Spain and Central America" section is confusing. Second paragraph especially needs a rewrite; I myself cannot understand it. For example, the name "O'Donoju" suddenly appears without introducition of who he was, and there is a confusing ungrammatical sentece about laws and subsequent Mexico.. Acwilson9 ( talk) 04:59, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
How were the enslaved and oppressed indigenous and African residents impacted by the wars? This should be addressed, but is not. (I myself lack the necessary knowledge to address this.) Acwilson9 ( talk) 05:05, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Cuba is shown in the intro map, but is not addressed in the article. Acwilson9 ( talk) 05:08, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
What on earth does the phrase “pre-[[Indusree-quarters in Mexico” in the Effects of Independence…Economics section refer to? Mr Larrington ( talk) 10:57, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Napoleon Bonaparte wished to dominate the Iberian Peninsula and Spanish America. Never independence. The later role of France after the Bourbon restoration is that of an ally of Ferdinand VII in the Iberian Peninsula until the end of the war. But never contributed material or combatants for the wars of emancipation. -- Vicentemovil ( talk) 15:52, 29 September 2022 (UTC)