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Any reason why Duck, You Sucker isn't listed as a Zapata Western? Seems like it is a key example by the major spaghetti western filmmaker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.193.55.52 ( talk) 20:33, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Can the second image be moved so the layout isn't so confused around the contents? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popageorgio ( talk • contribs) 05:48, 17 November 2005
I don't agree that citation is needed for that. Almost anything can be party attributed to almost anything else (even if 1 part in 100 billion, yes 100 billion). And, these two parts are certainly not that unlikely. I vote to remove the 'citation needed' (but is this democracy? can we do that?). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.58.46 ( talk) 06:47, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
This line is confusing? What does it mean?
800 balas (2002) is set among former actors and stuntmen in Almería.
Is Almería a real place? Also, if it is a movie about stuntmen, it arguably cannot take place in the Old West, ergo not a Western? 81.232.72.53 12:12, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not all into the literary criticism stuff, but doesn't this page deserve an analysis of themes common to the genre? Help me out here, folks, I'm not an avid fan, just a dilettante. - altjira 07:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
are these filmed in italian or english? thanks, 71.127.147.156 08:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
There's a second season Backyardigans epsiode that is a takeoff of the genere
LadySatine 21:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I propose we delete the list of films on this page, as there is a link to the main page right above it? Goldencrisp87 02:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I was reading about the actor Gordon Scott, who recently died and the article mentioned that he had been in some spaghetti westerns. I looked it up on IMDB and there are at least two movies that appear to fit. One of them, Buffalo Bill, directed by Mario Costa (under a pseudonym), doesn't appear to be listed on the listed anywhere. Dfmclean 14:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd really love to know where the whole genre of spaghetti westerns came from; why were Italian directors, and Italian directors in particular, making so many movies set in the Old West, why did they stop, and what replaced them? I hope somebody with more knowledge of the subject than I have can add such information to the article. Luvcraft 02:47, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Specifically, it was southern Italy which was slow to get television and thus had a tremendous demand for movies into the 70s. Mikel Koven in La Dolce Morte talks in some depth about this phenomenon and how it nurtured several genres of movies, among them the spaghetti western. Quite a fascinating look at the class issues inherent between the north and the south at that time and how it affected the arts being created for each one. Monkey Bounce ( talk) 05:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
The article claims:
In Sweden we use spagettivästern, i.e., Spaghetti Western. I have never heard of any "italiensk västern" (i.e., 'Italo-Western'). A search on Google reveals:
Instead of västern one can also use western in Swedish, colloquially. That'd give about the same ratio. // Jens Persson ( 90.231.244.42 ( talk) 23:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC))
Also, the UK is in Europe, and we call them Spaghetti Westerns. If no-one onjects, I'm going to change it to "Spaghetti Western, known in some countries of mainland Europe as the Italo-Western". Pollythewasp ( talk) 09:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
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You know that CINQUE FIGLI DI CANE is a crime film, not a Western at all? ....-- Si! SWamP ( talk) 13:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
So I'm looking at the formatting of the notable films, actors, and directors and it looks like a mess. For some reason, things are getting cut off and the list seems to go on every other column with the in-between columns filling in afterwards. I don't really understand how to fix it, but it does leave me wondering why there's such a weird version of the list. Can't it just work as a regular list like many other articles? Stever Augustus ( talk) 03:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I did it so the names would appear on one page of the computer screen and no scrolling needed. Articles that are too long often get split to their own page. It originally had no lettering. Look back in the history to how it was. The columns can be edited out by removing the MultiCol, ColBreak,EndMulitCol and the fancy brackets {} that will still leave the lettering REVUpminster ( talk) 06:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
to Spaghetti western (no caps) - Rothorpe ( talk) 16:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
I made a correction: the first spaghetti western ever made is not "Savage guns" (1961) but "Il terrore dell'Oklahoma" (1961), directed by Mario Amendola. I am aware this black and white film is almost completely unkown out of Italy, nonetheless it deserves the title of first Spaghetti western. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.171.246 ( talk) 01:47, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Curry Western redirects to Spaghetti western. This is inappropriate. "Spaghetti Western" refers to movies about the American West made by Italian directors, whether they be in English or Italian. I was under the impression that Spaghetti Westerns do not have seperate genre conventions from traditional Hollywood Westerns - in fact, I'm pretty sure there's overlap between the two categories ( The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly is considered one of the best Hollywood Westerns of all time, and it has an Italian director). "Curry Western" refers specifically to the phenomenon of Bollywood movies, with all the Filmi baggage that goes with that (song and dance numbers, Indian settings, gratuitous violence, prudishness, etc.), being made in a style reminiscent of or paying homage to American Hollywood Westerns but much more syncratic. Sholay is the premier example. It is a distinct phenomenon and should have its own article. Does anyone object to the redirect being removed? Quodfui ( talk) 08:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Since when is The Good, The Bad and the Ugly a Hollywood western? Am I missing something here?22:15, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
This should be written "Spaghetti Western." -- Zbrnajsem ( talk) 15:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC) I like the term "Italian" or "European Western" far more, in titling these films. Often panned by critics, they were also not well understood by them, and frankly, I think we generally still lack a good understanding of them. ( John G. Lewis ( talk) 15:42, 24 June 2013 (UTC))
The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian ( talk) 19:02, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Spaghetti western → Spaghetti Western –
The article has previously been redirected from Spaghetti Western to Spaghetti western, with the claim that it is not a proper name and so "Western" should not be capitalised. Regardless of whether this is true or not, and I suspect it's not, consistency across Wikipedia is important in terms of popular usage of certain terms. Almost all other Western (genre) articles, categories, etc, utilise a capital "W", in titles, and in the body of the articles themselves (including the article in question). Having this one act differently seems inappropriate and confusing. Requesting that these be swapped around, with the "Western" version being the most recognised primary title, and lower-case "western" redirected to it, instead. — Ma®©usBritish[ chat 17:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Evidence of wide-spread capitalised usage:
"Especially the mode of the pathetic received a big boost with Sergio Corbucci's very influential Django. However in the following years the mode of cunning and irony became more prominent" What does mode mean in this sentence? Nitpyck ( talk) 04:00, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
In the third headline of the first paragraph the article says: "According to actor Aldo Sambrell, the phrase 'Spaghetti Western' was coined by Italian journalist Alfonso Sancha.[1]" 1) Alfonso Sancha is not an Italian Journalist 2) indeed a person with such a name does not exist either 3) the term spaghetti western originated in the United States and not in Italy. Please delete such a false and misleading statement because it does not reflect reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.235.128.185 ( talk) 10:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
This article looks like it was mostly lifted verbatim from some academic source. If so, citations are needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.147.246.117 ( talk) 17:25, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I removed the WP:POV (subjective) language "the very successful" from a caption. It was reverted with the comment that the text of the article used the subjective, WP:POV language "remarkable." This is an encyclopedia, not Imdb, or a promo for Spaghetti Westerns. Please use objective language. See WP:MOS for help. We don't copy media examples which are filled with subjective adjectives. We report facts here. The movie genre was a financial success. That is an objective fact. It doesn't need to be "polished" further by us. Student7 ( talk) 15:26, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I came here looking for an explanation of Spaghetti Western, the genre of music, which seems similar to other genres like surf rock. There should be a page on Wikipedia for that. Plz create one. Thanks. 73.58.159.242 ( talk) 12:53, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
The article refers to Clint Eastwood as "previously unknown" before starring role in "A Fistful of Dollars." Ten years before Fistful came out in 1964, Eastwood had his first credited role in a film. For the five years ending that year, he played Rowdy Yates on "Rawhide." I hardly think "previously unknown" is accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.117.245.40 ( talk) 18:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:List of Western subgenres which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 05:34, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Recent related discussions have pointed out the inconsistency of capitalizing "Spaghetti" when compared to both our own MOS:GENRECAPS as well as how we handle other Westerns subgenres. Spaghetti is not a proper noun and per GENRECAPS should not be capitalized. This is similar to " contemporary Western", " revisionist Western", " science fiction Western", and others. The only time a subgenre would be capitalized would be if the name was a proper noun, such as Australian Western (but not "meat pie Western") or Florida Western (but not "cracker Western"). I have adjusted this article per the MOS. There is also a move discussion in progress to move the related page List of Spaghetti Western films to List of spaghetti Westerns. ButlerBlog ( talk) 16:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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Any reason why Duck, You Sucker isn't listed as a Zapata Western? Seems like it is a key example by the major spaghetti western filmmaker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.193.55.52 ( talk) 20:33, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Can the second image be moved so the layout isn't so confused around the contents? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popageorgio ( talk • contribs) 05:48, 17 November 2005
I don't agree that citation is needed for that. Almost anything can be party attributed to almost anything else (even if 1 part in 100 billion, yes 100 billion). And, these two parts are certainly not that unlikely. I vote to remove the 'citation needed' (but is this democracy? can we do that?). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.58.46 ( talk) 06:47, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
This line is confusing? What does it mean?
800 balas (2002) is set among former actors and stuntmen in Almería.
Is Almería a real place? Also, if it is a movie about stuntmen, it arguably cannot take place in the Old West, ergo not a Western? 81.232.72.53 12:12, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not all into the literary criticism stuff, but doesn't this page deserve an analysis of themes common to the genre? Help me out here, folks, I'm not an avid fan, just a dilettante. - altjira 07:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
are these filmed in italian or english? thanks, 71.127.147.156 08:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
There's a second season Backyardigans epsiode that is a takeoff of the genere
LadySatine 21:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I propose we delete the list of films on this page, as there is a link to the main page right above it? Goldencrisp87 02:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I was reading about the actor Gordon Scott, who recently died and the article mentioned that he had been in some spaghetti westerns. I looked it up on IMDB and there are at least two movies that appear to fit. One of them, Buffalo Bill, directed by Mario Costa (under a pseudonym), doesn't appear to be listed on the listed anywhere. Dfmclean 14:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd really love to know where the whole genre of spaghetti westerns came from; why were Italian directors, and Italian directors in particular, making so many movies set in the Old West, why did they stop, and what replaced them? I hope somebody with more knowledge of the subject than I have can add such information to the article. Luvcraft 02:47, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Specifically, it was southern Italy which was slow to get television and thus had a tremendous demand for movies into the 70s. Mikel Koven in La Dolce Morte talks in some depth about this phenomenon and how it nurtured several genres of movies, among them the spaghetti western. Quite a fascinating look at the class issues inherent between the north and the south at that time and how it affected the arts being created for each one. Monkey Bounce ( talk) 05:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
The article claims:
In Sweden we use spagettivästern, i.e., Spaghetti Western. I have never heard of any "italiensk västern" (i.e., 'Italo-Western'). A search on Google reveals:
Instead of västern one can also use western in Swedish, colloquially. That'd give about the same ratio. // Jens Persson ( 90.231.244.42 ( talk) 23:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC))
Also, the UK is in Europe, and we call them Spaghetti Westerns. If no-one onjects, I'm going to change it to "Spaghetti Western, known in some countries of mainland Europe as the Italo-Western". Pollythewasp ( talk) 09:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
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You know that CINQUE FIGLI DI CANE is a crime film, not a Western at all? ....-- Si! SWamP ( talk) 13:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
So I'm looking at the formatting of the notable films, actors, and directors and it looks like a mess. For some reason, things are getting cut off and the list seems to go on every other column with the in-between columns filling in afterwards. I don't really understand how to fix it, but it does leave me wondering why there's such a weird version of the list. Can't it just work as a regular list like many other articles? Stever Augustus ( talk) 03:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I did it so the names would appear on one page of the computer screen and no scrolling needed. Articles that are too long often get split to their own page. It originally had no lettering. Look back in the history to how it was. The columns can be edited out by removing the MultiCol, ColBreak,EndMulitCol and the fancy brackets {} that will still leave the lettering REVUpminster ( talk) 06:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
to Spaghetti western (no caps) - Rothorpe ( talk) 16:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
I made a correction: the first spaghetti western ever made is not "Savage guns" (1961) but "Il terrore dell'Oklahoma" (1961), directed by Mario Amendola. I am aware this black and white film is almost completely unkown out of Italy, nonetheless it deserves the title of first Spaghetti western. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.171.246 ( talk) 01:47, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Curry Western redirects to Spaghetti western. This is inappropriate. "Spaghetti Western" refers to movies about the American West made by Italian directors, whether they be in English or Italian. I was under the impression that Spaghetti Westerns do not have seperate genre conventions from traditional Hollywood Westerns - in fact, I'm pretty sure there's overlap between the two categories ( The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly is considered one of the best Hollywood Westerns of all time, and it has an Italian director). "Curry Western" refers specifically to the phenomenon of Bollywood movies, with all the Filmi baggage that goes with that (song and dance numbers, Indian settings, gratuitous violence, prudishness, etc.), being made in a style reminiscent of or paying homage to American Hollywood Westerns but much more syncratic. Sholay is the premier example. It is a distinct phenomenon and should have its own article. Does anyone object to the redirect being removed? Quodfui ( talk) 08:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Since when is The Good, The Bad and the Ugly a Hollywood western? Am I missing something here?22:15, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
This should be written "Spaghetti Western." -- Zbrnajsem ( talk) 15:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC) I like the term "Italian" or "European Western" far more, in titling these films. Often panned by critics, they were also not well understood by them, and frankly, I think we generally still lack a good understanding of them. ( John G. Lewis ( talk) 15:42, 24 June 2013 (UTC))
The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian ( talk) 19:02, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Spaghetti western → Spaghetti Western –
The article has previously been redirected from Spaghetti Western to Spaghetti western, with the claim that it is not a proper name and so "Western" should not be capitalised. Regardless of whether this is true or not, and I suspect it's not, consistency across Wikipedia is important in terms of popular usage of certain terms. Almost all other Western (genre) articles, categories, etc, utilise a capital "W", in titles, and in the body of the articles themselves (including the article in question). Having this one act differently seems inappropriate and confusing. Requesting that these be swapped around, with the "Western" version being the most recognised primary title, and lower-case "western" redirected to it, instead. — Ma®©usBritish[ chat 17:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Evidence of wide-spread capitalised usage:
"Especially the mode of the pathetic received a big boost with Sergio Corbucci's very influential Django. However in the following years the mode of cunning and irony became more prominent" What does mode mean in this sentence? Nitpyck ( talk) 04:00, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
In the third headline of the first paragraph the article says: "According to actor Aldo Sambrell, the phrase 'Spaghetti Western' was coined by Italian journalist Alfonso Sancha.[1]" 1) Alfonso Sancha is not an Italian Journalist 2) indeed a person with such a name does not exist either 3) the term spaghetti western originated in the United States and not in Italy. Please delete such a false and misleading statement because it does not reflect reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.235.128.185 ( talk) 10:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
This article looks like it was mostly lifted verbatim from some academic source. If so, citations are needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.147.246.117 ( talk) 17:25, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I removed the WP:POV (subjective) language "the very successful" from a caption. It was reverted with the comment that the text of the article used the subjective, WP:POV language "remarkable." This is an encyclopedia, not Imdb, or a promo for Spaghetti Westerns. Please use objective language. See WP:MOS for help. We don't copy media examples which are filled with subjective adjectives. We report facts here. The movie genre was a financial success. That is an objective fact. It doesn't need to be "polished" further by us. Student7 ( talk) 15:26, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I came here looking for an explanation of Spaghetti Western, the genre of music, which seems similar to other genres like surf rock. There should be a page on Wikipedia for that. Plz create one. Thanks. 73.58.159.242 ( talk) 12:53, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
The article refers to Clint Eastwood as "previously unknown" before starring role in "A Fistful of Dollars." Ten years before Fistful came out in 1964, Eastwood had his first credited role in a film. For the five years ending that year, he played Rowdy Yates on "Rawhide." I hardly think "previously unknown" is accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.117.245.40 ( talk) 18:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:List of Western subgenres which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 05:34, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Recent related discussions have pointed out the inconsistency of capitalizing "Spaghetti" when compared to both our own MOS:GENRECAPS as well as how we handle other Westerns subgenres. Spaghetti is not a proper noun and per GENRECAPS should not be capitalized. This is similar to " contemporary Western", " revisionist Western", " science fiction Western", and others. The only time a subgenre would be capitalized would be if the name was a proper noun, such as Australian Western (but not "meat pie Western") or Florida Western (but not "cracker Western"). I have adjusted this article per the MOS. There is also a move discussion in progress to move the related page List of Spaghetti Western films to List of spaghetti Westerns. ButlerBlog ( talk) 16:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)