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to a brief period of relative internal peace in South Africa, but by the mid 1970s the victories of the MPLA and Frelimo in Angola and Mozambique showed that white colonialists could be beaten by military force and at the
The above sentence is inaccurate and uncited. The MPLA and its Cuban/Soviet military sponsors had little success in Angola.
There are also some problems with the accuracy of statements and events.
Black Consciousness Movement has been nominated to be improved on WP:IDRIVE. If you want to see it improved, vote for it here! -- Fenice 11:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
I think this page is quite impartial and I would say even racist as it condemns the high school kids more than the police who killed innocent children who were just protesting for their rights! It's another racist and fascist white man view of a massacre of black children. I think this phrase should be eliminated: "Many senior pupils were also worried about the forthcoming Afrikaans language exams they had to take", as it looks like it is suggesting that the riots were started because black kids were lazy and didn't want to learn! This is crazy! This paragraph should be cancelled too: "The violence escalated as the students panicked and many began to throw various projectiles at police. The police opened fire as the students went on the rampage destroying anything related to the government. Administrative buildings were burned, shops looted, and some government officials were murdered by the enraged mob of students. Clashes and protests continued throughout the day, particularly in the area around the Regina Mhundi Church in Orlando and the Esso garage in Chiawelo. Schools closed early and Soweto burned as more children joined the riots. Bottle stores and beerhalls were targeted as it was felt that alcohol was used by the government to control black people," as it concentrates on the violence by the blacks while it leaves out the massacre made by the white police. I really think that this article should concentrate more on how white police officers killed black innocent kids! By the way I'm white so you can't accuse me of racism!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theblues ( talk • contribs) 01:47, 6 January 2006
I have cancelled the parts of the article which were not neutral and racist.
195.210.65.41
00:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I have canceled the parts of the article which were extremely not neutral and racist. Theblues 00:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
The reason that the police opened fire was because of provocation by the actions of the students, and while it was terrible what transpired, a lot of what is perceived of the '76 disturbances is due to the exaggeration and alteration by the ANC
The riots started first, and police responded to this. So-called children attacked and burnt schools , shops, etc. They murdered any white people they found, including their own teachers. The police are not 100% to blame for this tragedy. JohnC ( talk) 22:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
There is a difference between "riots," and "peaceful demonstration," which is how multiple references have point out this began. Your statements come off as particularly biased here, JohnC. Also, I would really like to see a single (non-Apartheid-era South African/KKK/White Supremacist propaganda) reference to students "murder[ing] any white people they found." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.101.1.120 ( talk) 21:14, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
The role of Tsietsi Mashinini needs to be added. I'd do it, but I'm not the most knowledgable. 782 Naumova 10:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
A couple of years ago, if I recall correctly, I heard a (black) radio talkshow host correcting a listener who referred to the subject of this article as riots. In South Africa, I think the term used is Soweto Uprising. I have no personal preference, but this needs to be borne in mind, if ever an objection is raised to the title. Park3r 10:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I also challenge the partiality of this account. I would even go so far as to change the title of the article to the "Soweto Massacre." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.31.105.62 ( talk) 23:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I suspect Punt Janson's Afrikaans words were "grootbaas" (here translated as "the big boss"). This would be a mistranslation, for "grootbaas" was simply a way used by non-adult black people to refer to or address an adult male. The term "groot" in this sense means "adult", not "big". The term "grootbaas" was not translated when used in English, so I suggest the quote is changed to include either "grootbaas" or just "baas". -- leuce ( talk) 15:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I've added references to most of the historic stuff, but the sections Political Context, Aftermath and Legacy still needs references. I've seen the BBC/SABC documentary twice, but I can't find any references to it on the web; please help. -- leuce ( talk) 16:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Despite amendments post the comments above, I still find this article biased and euphemistic. There are many statements in this article which still paint the children as the aggressors who used excessive violence and also depicts the police as reacting to the situation, as opposed to igniting it, which certainly contradicts the version of events we are taught here in our South African schools.
For example "The rioting continued and 23 people, including two whites, died on the first day in Soweto. Among them was Dr Melville Edelstein who had devoted his life to social welfare among blacks.[9] He was stoned to death by the mob and left with a sign around his neck proclaiming 'Beware Afrikaaners'." Why is this particular event singled out? It makes the children appear as an unruly, ungrateful mob who turned on the people who helped them, which is certainly not a fair depiction.
While I wasn't there and I don't know the full story, I'm quite sure this article is not an accurate or fair reflection. Considering the number of people who treat wikipedia as a definitive source of information, its disconcerting that this historic event in our history is being portrayed to the world thus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.245.183.52 ( talk) 07:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
"People who didn't him"? So it is fine for rioters to kills elderly teachers, provided that they don't know him. Those who criticise lynchings in America should consider whether they can defend murderous mobs in Africa.
Okay, JohnC, after reading your comments, I've devised a test for you. Is it Jewish people's fault the Holocaust happened, because they "incited" Nazis by existing? Better yet, did the Holocaust happen at all, or was it just a police action to control all the criminals in Nazi-occupied areas, who just happened to all be Jewish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.101.1.120 ( talk) 21:18, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Just to add my 2 cents worth: as I gathered, the state wanted all the pupils to learn in the official languages of the state. Some didn't want and they took to the streets. While protesting, they started killing elderly people, throwing stones at the public security forces, etc. As a consequence some of them got killed. Well, blimey, the same would happen to anybody in any of the civilised states you'd care to name. Uprising? Better make it attempted coup d'etat ... obviously some people have no legal education and no idea of legality, either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.166.143.111 ( talk) 16:11, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
I removed this quote, contributed by an IP: Most blacks came from Afrikaans farms, and on the mines Afrikaans was spoken widely (diff at http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Soweto_uprising&action=edit&undoafter=197821859&undo=197822510). The numbers don't make sense; there simply weren't enough "Afrikaans farms" for 50% +1 of blacks to hail from them, and on the mines Afrikaans was a (small?) part of the mash-up languages used. But if anyone thinks (or, better yet, can provide references) the contrary, I'd like to hear about it please. 9Nak ( talk) 11:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I still think this article is biased. "The rioting continued and 23 people, including two white people, died on the first day in Soweto. Among them was Dr Melville Edelstein who had devoted his life to social welfare among blacks.[9] He was stoned to death by the mob and left with a sign around his neck proclaiming 'Beware Afrikaaners'." This tends to show the children as brutal animals without even no gratitude to their white friend. Parts of the article are chosen to depict the children in a certain, surely not positive, way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theblues ( talk • contribs) 10:24, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
A violently rioting mob (in any country) is no friend of anyone. JohnC ( talk) 22:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Stop making these claims! I think it has been universally agreed that this article is as neutral as it is going to get. Its not like the police busted up a picnic in the park here. —Preceding
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Yeah, if people are still making the claims, then it obviously isn't "universally agreed." Personally, I still find they way the article is worded in certain sections troubling. However, I would agree that it has been improved upon from prior "the lazy black thugs burned down the city, and the poor police did whatever they could" versions. It seems to me that some contributors to this page would blame MLK and Gandhi for "making" the police beat the crap out of them. I would recommend further edits in order to make it more even toned. Despite several instances where violence is specifically attributed to black students, I did not notice any reference to police violence (e.g. numerous students shot in the back by police). In fact, despite numerous references to shots being fired, I do not note any instance where said shots are actually attributed to police. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.101.1.120 ( talk) 21:04, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I edited the sentence "Black students also killed two people for being white" because I read the cited sources and they don't support that ideologically loaded claim.
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Moving a section of text from the article here; more appropriate to put together a bibliography here and then publish. From [[User:Francoiskhayelitsha}:
Numerous books have been written about the Uprising, perhaps the most recent being Helena Pohlandt-McCormick's electronic monograph, "I Saw a Nightmare..." Doing Violence to Memory: The Soweto Uprising, June 16, 1976. Published by Columbia U Press in 2005, the entire book is online. http://www.gutenberg-e.org/pohlandt-mccormick/index.html
Please add to the bibliography!
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07:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
User:Damiens.rf want's to remove the Pieterson image in the article, as he believes that it does not satisfy fair-use. I, however, disagee. My reason for the image to be kept, is that the image of Antoinette Sithole and Mbuyisa Makhubo carrying a 12-year-old Hector Pieterson moments after he was shot by South African police, was an iconic image of the uprising. As such, it should be kept. Any opinions? Joyson Noel Holla at me! 21:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
We can only use that famous non-free photo tranformatively, that is, in texts about the image itself. We already have two articles that does that. This article is about the events captured in the image, and we don't have a fair use case for using the image here. -- Damiens.rf 21:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Also, notice that
WP:NFCC#9
WP:NFCC#10 alone is enough to remove this image from this article. --
Damiens.rf
21:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
For a clear example of why we can't use this image here, see the much more famous image called Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima, that became an iconic symbol of the Battle of Iwo Jima but that we don't use to illustrate the article about the battle. -- Damiens.rf 22:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
and why " The number of people who died is usually given as 176 with estimates up to 700." why not killed? just wondering vap ( talk) 03:50, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
In the article, as it exists, there is an unsourced reference to a 2006 BBC/SABC documentary in which Colonel Kleingeld's testimony is "corroborated." While I can find evidence of the documentary in question, I can't find evidence of said corroboration, except for numerous similarly unsourced references in which this statement is repeated, verbatim. I propose deletion of this reference, as it appears unsourced, and possibly plagiarized. Additionally, I propose deletion of the "to death" in the statement "stoning the dogs to death." Additional research shows that the only time mention of "stoning the dogs to death" occurs is in instances where the Wikipedia article has obviously been plagiarized, or vice versa. Otherwise, the only mention is that the dogs were stoned. I'm opening this up for discussion. Otherwise, I'll make the proposed edits, and assume they're good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by G1811 ( talk • contribs) 03:12, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Thabiso, thanks for your contributions but unfortunately Wikipedia is not the place for personal recollections. Primary sources can't be included directly - they can only be used as references, and only if they have appeared in a reliable source. Zaian ( talk) 22:12, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
The current article looks very ambiguous to me as to the identity of the protesters in the uprising. The first paragraph states that it was "led by black school children", while the second talks more ambiguously about "the number of protesters killed". "Protesters" killed the police dog, but "the police then began to shoot directly at the children". Hospitals were "swamped with injured and bloody children", while beer halls were "targeted" by someone. Estimates of the dead range from "23 students" to 700 "people". What I want to know is, should the majority of the "protesters" mentioned above be interpreted as school children (and the occasional teacher)? Since noone else is mentioned, that is the natural implication; but it's hard to imagine a mob of angry school children in uniform rioting in the streets and burning down beer halls. I suspect that groups of adults joined this uprising at some point, and are probably among the dead and injured; but the current article never mentions this, so it is only a hunch based on the ambiguity of the wording. If virtually all the protesters at all stages of the uprising were school children, and virtually all of the cited dead and wounded were school children, this should be made very explicit. If, on the other hand, the uprising at some point was partly taken over by adult protesters, this should also be made explicit. Ornilnas ( talk) 22:51, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
"It is estimated that 20,000 students took part in the protests. They were met with fierce police brutality. The number of protesters killed by police is usually given as 176, but estimates of up to 700 have been made." That statement is certainly untrue. While indeed a larger number has been killed few of the killings can be attributed to the police there. The killing took place within the Black community since there was a conflict between the protesters and others in the Black community (The majority that wanted to have peace) -- 105.4.0.21 ( talk) 14:00, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
What happened with the language of instruction in schools after the uprising? Beland ( talk) 18:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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to a brief period of relative internal peace in South Africa, but by the mid 1970s the victories of the MPLA and Frelimo in Angola and Mozambique showed that white colonialists could be beaten by military force and at the
The above sentence is inaccurate and uncited. The MPLA and its Cuban/Soviet military sponsors had little success in Angola.
There are also some problems with the accuracy of statements and events.
Black Consciousness Movement has been nominated to be improved on WP:IDRIVE. If you want to see it improved, vote for it here! -- Fenice 11:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
I think this page is quite impartial and I would say even racist as it condemns the high school kids more than the police who killed innocent children who were just protesting for their rights! It's another racist and fascist white man view of a massacre of black children. I think this phrase should be eliminated: "Many senior pupils were also worried about the forthcoming Afrikaans language exams they had to take", as it looks like it is suggesting that the riots were started because black kids were lazy and didn't want to learn! This is crazy! This paragraph should be cancelled too: "The violence escalated as the students panicked and many began to throw various projectiles at police. The police opened fire as the students went on the rampage destroying anything related to the government. Administrative buildings were burned, shops looted, and some government officials were murdered by the enraged mob of students. Clashes and protests continued throughout the day, particularly in the area around the Regina Mhundi Church in Orlando and the Esso garage in Chiawelo. Schools closed early and Soweto burned as more children joined the riots. Bottle stores and beerhalls were targeted as it was felt that alcohol was used by the government to control black people," as it concentrates on the violence by the blacks while it leaves out the massacre made by the white police. I really think that this article should concentrate more on how white police officers killed black innocent kids! By the way I'm white so you can't accuse me of racism!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theblues ( talk • contribs) 01:47, 6 January 2006
I have cancelled the parts of the article which were not neutral and racist.
195.210.65.41
00:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I have canceled the parts of the article which were extremely not neutral and racist. Theblues 00:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
The reason that the police opened fire was because of provocation by the actions of the students, and while it was terrible what transpired, a lot of what is perceived of the '76 disturbances is due to the exaggeration and alteration by the ANC
The riots started first, and police responded to this. So-called children attacked and burnt schools , shops, etc. They murdered any white people they found, including their own teachers. The police are not 100% to blame for this tragedy. JohnC ( talk) 22:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
There is a difference between "riots," and "peaceful demonstration," which is how multiple references have point out this began. Your statements come off as particularly biased here, JohnC. Also, I would really like to see a single (non-Apartheid-era South African/KKK/White Supremacist propaganda) reference to students "murder[ing] any white people they found." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.101.1.120 ( talk) 21:14, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
The role of Tsietsi Mashinini needs to be added. I'd do it, but I'm not the most knowledgable. 782 Naumova 10:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
A couple of years ago, if I recall correctly, I heard a (black) radio talkshow host correcting a listener who referred to the subject of this article as riots. In South Africa, I think the term used is Soweto Uprising. I have no personal preference, but this needs to be borne in mind, if ever an objection is raised to the title. Park3r 10:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I also challenge the partiality of this account. I would even go so far as to change the title of the article to the "Soweto Massacre." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.31.105.62 ( talk) 23:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I suspect Punt Janson's Afrikaans words were "grootbaas" (here translated as "the big boss"). This would be a mistranslation, for "grootbaas" was simply a way used by non-adult black people to refer to or address an adult male. The term "groot" in this sense means "adult", not "big". The term "grootbaas" was not translated when used in English, so I suggest the quote is changed to include either "grootbaas" or just "baas". -- leuce ( talk) 15:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I've added references to most of the historic stuff, but the sections Political Context, Aftermath and Legacy still needs references. I've seen the BBC/SABC documentary twice, but I can't find any references to it on the web; please help. -- leuce ( talk) 16:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Despite amendments post the comments above, I still find this article biased and euphemistic. There are many statements in this article which still paint the children as the aggressors who used excessive violence and also depicts the police as reacting to the situation, as opposed to igniting it, which certainly contradicts the version of events we are taught here in our South African schools.
For example "The rioting continued and 23 people, including two whites, died on the first day in Soweto. Among them was Dr Melville Edelstein who had devoted his life to social welfare among blacks.[9] He was stoned to death by the mob and left with a sign around his neck proclaiming 'Beware Afrikaaners'." Why is this particular event singled out? It makes the children appear as an unruly, ungrateful mob who turned on the people who helped them, which is certainly not a fair depiction.
While I wasn't there and I don't know the full story, I'm quite sure this article is not an accurate or fair reflection. Considering the number of people who treat wikipedia as a definitive source of information, its disconcerting that this historic event in our history is being portrayed to the world thus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.245.183.52 ( talk) 07:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
"People who didn't him"? So it is fine for rioters to kills elderly teachers, provided that they don't know him. Those who criticise lynchings in America should consider whether they can defend murderous mobs in Africa.
Okay, JohnC, after reading your comments, I've devised a test for you. Is it Jewish people's fault the Holocaust happened, because they "incited" Nazis by existing? Better yet, did the Holocaust happen at all, or was it just a police action to control all the criminals in Nazi-occupied areas, who just happened to all be Jewish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.101.1.120 ( talk) 21:18, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Just to add my 2 cents worth: as I gathered, the state wanted all the pupils to learn in the official languages of the state. Some didn't want and they took to the streets. While protesting, they started killing elderly people, throwing stones at the public security forces, etc. As a consequence some of them got killed. Well, blimey, the same would happen to anybody in any of the civilised states you'd care to name. Uprising? Better make it attempted coup d'etat ... obviously some people have no legal education and no idea of legality, either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.166.143.111 ( talk) 16:11, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
I removed this quote, contributed by an IP: Most blacks came from Afrikaans farms, and on the mines Afrikaans was spoken widely (diff at http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Soweto_uprising&action=edit&undoafter=197821859&undo=197822510). The numbers don't make sense; there simply weren't enough "Afrikaans farms" for 50% +1 of blacks to hail from them, and on the mines Afrikaans was a (small?) part of the mash-up languages used. But if anyone thinks (or, better yet, can provide references) the contrary, I'd like to hear about it please. 9Nak ( talk) 11:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I still think this article is biased. "The rioting continued and 23 people, including two white people, died on the first day in Soweto. Among them was Dr Melville Edelstein who had devoted his life to social welfare among blacks.[9] He was stoned to death by the mob and left with a sign around his neck proclaiming 'Beware Afrikaaners'." This tends to show the children as brutal animals without even no gratitude to their white friend. Parts of the article are chosen to depict the children in a certain, surely not positive, way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theblues ( talk • contribs) 10:24, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
A violently rioting mob (in any country) is no friend of anyone. JohnC ( talk) 22:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Stop making these claims! I think it has been universally agreed that this article is as neutral as it is going to get. Its not like the police busted up a picnic in the park here. —Preceding
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125.255.118.205 (
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Yeah, if people are still making the claims, then it obviously isn't "universally agreed." Personally, I still find they way the article is worded in certain sections troubling. However, I would agree that it has been improved upon from prior "the lazy black thugs burned down the city, and the poor police did whatever they could" versions. It seems to me that some contributors to this page would blame MLK and Gandhi for "making" the police beat the crap out of them. I would recommend further edits in order to make it more even toned. Despite several instances where violence is specifically attributed to black students, I did not notice any reference to police violence (e.g. numerous students shot in the back by police). In fact, despite numerous references to shots being fired, I do not note any instance where said shots are actually attributed to police. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.101.1.120 ( talk) 21:04, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I edited the sentence "Black students also killed two people for being white" because I read the cited sources and they don't support that ideologically loaded claim.
Angrynative (
talk)
13:24, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Moving a section of text from the article here; more appropriate to put together a bibliography here and then publish. From [[User:Francoiskhayelitsha}:
Numerous books have been written about the Uprising, perhaps the most recent being Helena Pohlandt-McCormick's electronic monograph, "I Saw a Nightmare..." Doing Violence to Memory: The Soweto Uprising, June 16, 1976. Published by Columbia U Press in 2005, the entire book is online. http://www.gutenberg-e.org/pohlandt-mccormick/index.html
Please add to the bibliography!
9Nak (
talk)
07:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
User:Damiens.rf want's to remove the Pieterson image in the article, as he believes that it does not satisfy fair-use. I, however, disagee. My reason for the image to be kept, is that the image of Antoinette Sithole and Mbuyisa Makhubo carrying a 12-year-old Hector Pieterson moments after he was shot by South African police, was an iconic image of the uprising. As such, it should be kept. Any opinions? Joyson Noel Holla at me! 21:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
We can only use that famous non-free photo tranformatively, that is, in texts about the image itself. We already have two articles that does that. This article is about the events captured in the image, and we don't have a fair use case for using the image here. -- Damiens.rf 21:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Also, notice that
WP:NFCC#9
WP:NFCC#10 alone is enough to remove this image from this article. --
Damiens.rf
21:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
For a clear example of why we can't use this image here, see the much more famous image called Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima, that became an iconic symbol of the Battle of Iwo Jima but that we don't use to illustrate the article about the battle. -- Damiens.rf 22:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
and why " The number of people who died is usually given as 176 with estimates up to 700." why not killed? just wondering vap ( talk) 03:50, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
In the article, as it exists, there is an unsourced reference to a 2006 BBC/SABC documentary in which Colonel Kleingeld's testimony is "corroborated." While I can find evidence of the documentary in question, I can't find evidence of said corroboration, except for numerous similarly unsourced references in which this statement is repeated, verbatim. I propose deletion of this reference, as it appears unsourced, and possibly plagiarized. Additionally, I propose deletion of the "to death" in the statement "stoning the dogs to death." Additional research shows that the only time mention of "stoning the dogs to death" occurs is in instances where the Wikipedia article has obviously been plagiarized, or vice versa. Otherwise, the only mention is that the dogs were stoned. I'm opening this up for discussion. Otherwise, I'll make the proposed edits, and assume they're good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by G1811 ( talk • contribs) 03:12, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Thabiso, thanks for your contributions but unfortunately Wikipedia is not the place for personal recollections. Primary sources can't be included directly - they can only be used as references, and only if they have appeared in a reliable source. Zaian ( talk) 22:12, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
The current article looks very ambiguous to me as to the identity of the protesters in the uprising. The first paragraph states that it was "led by black school children", while the second talks more ambiguously about "the number of protesters killed". "Protesters" killed the police dog, but "the police then began to shoot directly at the children". Hospitals were "swamped with injured and bloody children", while beer halls were "targeted" by someone. Estimates of the dead range from "23 students" to 700 "people". What I want to know is, should the majority of the "protesters" mentioned above be interpreted as school children (and the occasional teacher)? Since noone else is mentioned, that is the natural implication; but it's hard to imagine a mob of angry school children in uniform rioting in the streets and burning down beer halls. I suspect that groups of adults joined this uprising at some point, and are probably among the dead and injured; but the current article never mentions this, so it is only a hunch based on the ambiguity of the wording. If virtually all the protesters at all stages of the uprising were school children, and virtually all of the cited dead and wounded were school children, this should be made very explicit. If, on the other hand, the uprising at some point was partly taken over by adult protesters, this should also be made explicit. Ornilnas ( talk) 22:51, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
"It is estimated that 20,000 students took part in the protests. They were met with fierce police brutality. The number of protesters killed by police is usually given as 176, but estimates of up to 700 have been made." That statement is certainly untrue. While indeed a larger number has been killed few of the killings can be attributed to the police there. The killing took place within the Black community since there was a conflict between the protesters and others in the Black community (The majority that wanted to have peace) -- 105.4.0.21 ( talk) 14:00, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
What happened with the language of instruction in schools after the uprising? Beland ( talk) 18:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)