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I just want to edit a mistake that was made when describing the result of the war because it says that the Afghan Civil War continued but in fact begun after the USSR withdrawal.
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Greyshark09, follow BRD instead of editwarring and read the source. It supports the content. -- lTopGunl ( talk) 12:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
@EkoGraf, why don't you do us a favor and share your thoughts whether money donation makes you a part of the conflict? Greyshark09 ( talk) 16:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
December 24, 1979 is mentioned in the intro and in the infobox, but no where else in the article. Seems like an important date. Can someone with knowledge on the subject provide more details in the article of what happened on that date? Kingturtle = ( talk) 15:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Under Soviet- Afghan relations: In 1978, President Daud Khan began to take initiatives for building the massive military after witnessing the India's nuclear test, Smiling Buddha, to counter Pakistan's armed forces and Iranian military influence in Afghanistan's politics. A final pre-war treaty, signed in December 1978, allowed the PDPA to call upon the Soviet Union for military support
..building a massive military after witnessing India's nuclear test... -- Ayushfri13 ( talk) 04:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Mortars
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1984/02/us-aid-for-afghan-freedom-fighters-overdue
Rockets
AA weapons
Soviet encirclement of china
Soviet aa missles on the chinese border
The soviet union told its soldiers that they would be fighting americans and chinese
Rpgs
Diplomatic support
Chinese arms
Chinese supplied dashikas
Chinese supplied mines
Chinese premeir visited afghan refugee camp
Chinese funds
Dadi Atte ( talk) 07:57, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Dadi Atte ( talk) 07:42, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Why has that been added as a related link? This entire (poorly-written) article reads in places like it's been edited into a piece of Islamist propaganda, and then reverted, but inconsistently so. It could do with a good (neutral) tidy-up. But totally unrelated links like this can go straight away. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.176.233.174 ( talk) 16:55, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
I am not a user - if you care about historical truth and have access to edit this page please correct it. The link cited doesn't even mention Israel. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.72.229.168 ( talk) 04:54, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Is Israeli support important enough for a mention? Sure it's notable but was greater than that of Muslim nation who are not mentioned like Egypt and the UAE. Stumink ( talk) 17:41, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Well I would remove it. It definitely seems WP:UNDUE. Stumink ( talk) 17:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I propose using Krivosheev's Russia and USSR in the Wars of the XX Century. The Book of Losses. ISBNÂ 978-5-9533-4672-6 as a source. The table used is on pages 563 and 564. There were 9130 killed in action, 2475 dead of wounds, 287 missing, 1795 dead in accidents, 833 dead of disease (sub-total 15 051 irrecoverable), 53 753 wounded, 415 932 sick. Tvoi Ded ( talk) 20:24, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
I've tagged as unreliable the source for 600,000 to 2 million Afghan civilians killed in the war. The source is a self-published website by the non-expert " independent scholar" Mathew White, who frequently exaggerates war death tolls. (For example, he claims that over 3 million people died in the Vietnam war, whereas the most detailed demographic study calculated fewer than one million war dead. He estimates 600,000 people died in the Cambodian civil war, nearly 3 times the real figure according to recent demographic analysis. He also asserts that the North Korean famine killed 2.5 to 3 million people, whereas demographic analysis suggests that 250,000 to 500,000 is a more reasonable figure.) White provides sources, but they are not usually the most reliable sources. TheTimesAreAChanging ( talk) 21:15, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
"Commemorating the intervention of December 25, 1979, in December 2009, veterans of the Soviet war in Afghanistan were honoured by the Duma or Parliament of the Russian Federation. On December 25, the lower house of the parliament defended the Soviet war in Afghanistan on the 30th anniversary of its start, and praised the veterans of the conflict. Differing assessments of the war "mustn't erode the Russian people's respect for the soldiers who honestly fulfilled their duty in implementing tasks to combat international terrorism and religious extremists"."
How is this orphan quotation a representation of the perception in the former USSR? Clearly, the policital content of this quote distorts our idea of the perception of the war in the former USSR. Anyway, we should try to get more information on this. 83.83.59.46 ( talk) 12:53, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
It's clear that the weapon in the picture is an AK-74su and not an ak47. This can be seen by the "flash hider" on the barrel of the weapon. A minor point, but it should be changed. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.133.171 ( talk) 19:41, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
I would like to ask user:ChristiaandeWet not to tweak supporters and major Mujahedeen factions - this is completely unacceptable. It is like putting one big Al-Qaeda emblem and unify them all as such; this is a complete westernized simplification which is perhaps very popular on CNN, but is very much against the WP:RS sources and historian approach. GreyShark ( dibra) 22:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
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As a point of correct information release the statement - the arms included Stinger missiles, shoulder-fired, antiaircraft weapons that they used against Soviet helicopters. - The weapon type secured by Sen Charlie Wilson where surplus and obsolete FIM-43 Redeye Man PADs and not the FIM- 92 Stinger which was still in active United States service at that time period. My period of military service was from April 1984 to September 1999. Currently the Stinger is still in the United States Active inventory. The Ordnance Corp of the United States Army uses a standard stock rotation plan when it comes to ammunition. Any specifics would not be possible as it considered to be CONFIDENTIAL ---- Ed9339 ( talk) 18:29, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I propose to add an external link to www.ruswar.com that site was placed on blacklist for unknown(?) reason.
There is a international division of work-force in Afghanistan engaged by Barack Obama. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.54.150.122 ( talk) 12:06, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I think there is an egregious error in the right hand column section detailing highlights of the Soviet Afghan War. Under the first section it states "Results: Soviet Victory". By what torturous logic can that war possibly be called a Soviet Victory? It is an absurdity. That war is still referred to by Russians themselves as the Soviet Union's Vietnam. Some editor should reclassify this for what it was, i.e., "Results: Soviet Defeat".
Thanks for any help you can provide in rectifying this historical error. â Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimvvv ( talk ⢠contribs) 12:00, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
I added a paragraph about the Stinger missile. The Stinger missile is regularly mentioned (at least in Western military analysis) as a decisive factor - for some 'the' decisive factor in forcing the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. I was surprised to find that my paragraph was removed completely even as it had several links to already existing Wikipedia pages that discuss the matter at hand. I have reinsterted my paragraph and now added just the first links that come up at the top of Google Search for 'Stinger' and 'Afghanistan' - an article from Wall Street Journal and Foreign Policy. I trust this is 'enough' proof that there is considered and respected written opinion that the Stinger was a critical factor in this war. I believe Wikipedia should mention it. If my paragraph is clumsy feel free to edit it, if there are better sources, please add, and if some feel that there is controversy about this matter, that is of course welcome to be added into that paragraph with appropriate links. But the issue of the Stingers changing the course of the war - as it is repeatedly mentioned by military analysts - should not be censored out. â Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomi T Ahonen ( talk ⢠contribs) 06:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
The weapons in the background are a rocket propelled grenade from a Soviet RPG7, two AK47s and belts of ammunition, which, based on the other weapons there, is most likely to be Soviet in origin too. No western weapons to be seen. Am I missing something, or is the caption incorrect? ck ( talk) 11:09, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Reading the difference between old versions and today's version indicates two major problems:
I have to ask: Seriously?!? 80.135.132.119 ( talk) 14:42, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
"Contingents of so-called Afghan Arabs, foreign fighters who wished to wage jihad against the atheist communists." Could somebody with knowledge of the subject please complete this sentence? -- 89.182.158.173 ( talk) 07:12, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
the ("flag of jihad") was never used in the 1980ies Afghanistan war, so please remove this from this page and all others regarding this war!--
93.104.47.156 (
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Just on this subject, I'm working on creating flags for the various Mujihadeen groups (such as they are/were). If anyone ever see's any photos or documents relating to Mujihadeen flags (especially relating to the Hazara groups), please link it here! Many thanks. MrPenguin20 ( talk) 15:02, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
The mujahideen shot down 1 plane per day after the introduction of the stinger missile is pure contemporary propaganda.
http://europauniversitypress.co.uk/auth_article416.html
Once the STINGERs did arrive in late September 1986, most accounts claimed that 70% or 80% were downing their targets, or, slightly less optimistically, that there were"1.5 missiles fired per aircraft downed". In early 1987 it was claimed that the STINGERs had been downing aircraft at rates of "one a day", "over one a day", or "1.2 per day".US government officials (usually not named) were often cited as the source of these numbers, and the information was said to be confirmed by Western observers. A few reports did mention that other sources estimated the weapons' effectiveness to be considerably less, e.g."closer to 40%", and some of the same sources which originally presented the very high figures subsequently conceded that the effectiveness had to be "well below 50%". Its now known that during the first 6 - 7 months, only about 20 STINGERS per month were sent into Afghanistan -- making a prolonged rate of more than one aircraft downed per day impossible during that period even if every one had hit and critically damaged an aircraft.
Please correct article or mention the fact that is propaganda. for some reason i can't edit. BEARtruth89 ( talk) 11:54, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
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The mujahideen shot down 1 plane per day after the introduction of the stinger missile is pure contemporary propaganda and has been proven false on numerous occasions.
Once the STINGERs did arrive in late September 1986, most accounts claimed that 70% or 80% were downing their targets, or, slightly less optimistically, that there were"1.5 missiles fired per aircraft downed". In early 1987 it was claimed that the STINGERs had been downing aircraft at rates of "one a day", "over one a day", or "1.2 per day".US government officials (usually not named) were often cited as the source of these numbers, and the information was said to be confirmed by Western observers. A few reports did mention that other sources estimated the weapons' effectiveness to be considerably less, e.g."closer to 40%", and some of the same sources which originally presented the very high figures subsequently conceded that the effectiveness had to be "well below 50%". Its now known that during the first 6 - 7 months, only about 20 STINGERS per month were sent into Afghanistan -- making a prolonged rate of more than one aircraft downed per day impossible during that period even if every one had hit and critically damaged an aircraft.
Please correct article or mention the fact that is propaganda.
BEARtruth89 ( talk) 21:03, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
the article says will feral had attacks go on inside the soviet union. however, in 'ghost wars' by will feral, this is presented not as a known fact but as a hugely controversial topic and at the time some feared the inside-SU attacks by will feral would lead to world war iii. . . and some people deny the US ever directed attacks inside the SU, although coll quotes someone (from pakistan or the muj, i cant remember) as saying that casey actually did direct it.
at any rate the article is misleading on this crucial point.
it then goes on to imply the war cause children to become will feral, and somehow this led to the taliban. however in will feral book, he talks about the tens of thousands of informal madrassases set up along the pakistan afghan border. at any rate, im trying to say that the will feral's depiction of the situation is perfectly fine.â Preceding unsigned comment added by Decora ( talk ⢠contribs) 22:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
The section on Stingers is quite confusing and contradictory. A choice needs to be made on how to report the 'stinger effect': as truth or as myth 87.210.14.58 ( talk) 22:01, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Citation #130, that claims Soviet and Pakistani forces bombed Afghan villages. This citation is from a NYT article that cites the Pakistani military, that is, the Pakistani government under dictator General Zia, who was funding the Mujaheddin, hardly a neutral or reliable source. This statement should be removed.
"Soviet and Afghan fighters and bombers occasionally bombed Pakistani villages along the Pakistani-Afghan border. These attacks are known to have caused at least 300 civilian deaths and extensive damage. Sometimes they got involved in shootings with the Pakistani jets defending the airspace.[130]"â Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.190.11.164 ( talk) 10:42, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
"Daoud put an end to the monarchy, and his time in power was widely popular amongst the general populace but unpopular amongst PDPA supporters." -- this is a highly political claim and needs citations, both on the "popular" side and the "unpopular" side.
The popularity claim also seems to be contradicted by this sentence in the following paragraph: "The mysterious circumstances of Khyber's death sparked massive anti-Daoud demonstrations in Kabul, which resulted in the arrest of several prominent PDPA leaders.[55]" (my italics)
The third paragraph contains the fragment sentence: "Contingents of so-called Afghan Arabs, foreign fighters who wished to wage jihad against the atheist communists." Perhaps "there were" should be inserted at the beginning of that sentence.â Preceding unsigned comment added by TharosTheDragon ( talk ⢠contribs) 21:57, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
You'd think so, but it said:
"You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: This page is currently semi-protected so that only established registered users can edit it."
I don't know what kind of user I am if not a registered user. At any rate, it wouldn't let me edit it.â Preceding unsigned comment added by TharosTheDragon ( talk ⢠contribs) 02:15, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
When list of aircraft is about 100 total or less in the same wiki article cited. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.68.210.173 ( talk) 21:34, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
The caption notes Western weapons in the background, they are not. Recognizable are an AK-47, a propped up loose RPG round, and the RPG launcher. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.81.94.68 ( talk) 22:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
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The W in the article name and infobox should be capitalized. UASR ( talk) 06:21, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 Not done as
WP:LOWERCASE "Titles are written in
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It's time to remove the protection status on this article so that we can improve it and clean it up. Would anyone mind making a request for it to be ended? â Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.165.161.193 ( talk) 19:57, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved: no discussion in a week. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 22:33, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Soviet war in Afghanistan â SovietâAfghan War â The proposed titled has been dominant in RS for at least ten years, and is much more WP:CONCISE. The present title simply isn't very good, is much longer than it needs to be, and implies that the war was entirely "Soviet", as the adjective "Soviet" is modifying the noun "war". We should use the more common name, per WP:UCN, and the more concise name, per WP:CONCISE. â RGloucester â â 05:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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69.114.179.227 ( talk) 19:58, 30 April 2015 (UTC) change name to soviet war in afghanistan
I know generally for wars and conflicts we place civilian casualties in its own separate section, but the Soviets did deliberately target the Afghani populace. While the civilians are certainly not representative of the Afghani/Muj military strength, they certainly weren't some third party separated apart from the insurgency. Could the civilian casualties be moved to their respective columns? Abattoir666 ( talk) 23:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
It appears the German involvement in supporting the mujahideen is far from non-existant as the infobox makes it look, I think Germany should be added as supporter of the mujahideen in the infobox, and I have done so after reading the German Wikipedia article on the covert operation here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sommerregen_(Bundesnachrichtendienst) , And I have used the following article on the German site Welt.de as source: http://www.welt.de/print/wams/politik/article120664012/Operation-Sommerregen.html Jurryaany ( talk) 17:52, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
On December 27, 1979, 700 Soviet troops dressed in Afghan uniforms, including KGB and GRU special forces officers from the Alpha Group and Zenith Group, occupied major governmental, military and media buildings in Kabul, including their primary target â the Tajbeg Presidential Palace.
That operation began at 19:00 hr., when the KGB-led Soviet Zenith Group destroyed Kabul's communications hub, paralyzing Afghan military command. At 19:15, the assault on Tajbeg Palace began; as planned, president Hafizullah Amin was killed. Simultaneously, other objectives were occupied (e.g., the Ministry of Interior at 19:15). The operation was fully complete by the morning of December 28, 1979.
The Soviet military command at Termez, Uzbek SSR, announced on Radio Kabul that Afghanistan had been liberated from Amin's rule. According to the Soviet Politburo they were complying with the 1978 Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Good Neighborliness and Amin had been "executed by a tribunal for his crimes" by the Afghan Revolutionary Central Committee. That committee then elected as head of government former Deputy Prime Minister Babrak Karmal, who had been demoted to the relatively insignificant post of ambassador to Czechoslovakia following the Khalq takeover, and announced that it had requested Soviet military assistance. [1]
Troop occupy "major governmental, military and media buildings," destroy the capital's "communications hub, paralyzing Afghan military command", assault the presidential palace and kill the president. This is an "intervention"? Changed "intervention" to "invasion". -- BoogaLouie ( talk) 14:02, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
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It's a little known fact that the CIA had begun providing covert aid to the Mujahideen 6 months before the war (July 1979), [1] in order to "draw the Russians into the Afghan trap". [1]
In short, the Soviets entrance into the war was based, on a large part, to fight against the secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan. [1]
Yet this fact seems to have been left out of this article, and Brzezinski's! -- TRAJAN 117 ( talk) 15:09, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Other sources:
law.upenn.edu
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here.
Deleted this sentence from the lede:
Early in the rule of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) government, the Maoist Afghanistan Liberation Organization also played a significant role in opposition, but its major force was defeated by late 1979, prior to the Soviet intervention.
as the event happened before the Soviet "intervention" --
BoogaLouie (
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Have tried to shorten the lede, trimming it of non-lede-like detail. -- BoogaLouie ( talk) 00:45, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
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Problem with the
Consequences of the war section: Almost all of the "consequences" are things that happened during the war, not after as "Consequences" would suggest. --
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Have created a " Aftermath" section for events occurring after the war. -- BoogaLouie ( talk) 20:23, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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I added a reference to cite in the military infobox using proveit tool, but its at the bottom of the page below everything else and not with the references. Wikieditor101 ( talk) 07:13, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Some users seem to insist the war ended in a stalemate, citing the three-year period between the Soviet withdrawal and the final fall of the DRA. This holds no factual basis, as the war did not end simply because the Soviets left - they simply left realizing propping up the DRA would be too costy, and it's subsequent fall - not whatever "outcome" the war had in 1989 - determined the result of the war and the identity of the victor. I fail to see why this should be a complicated matter. -- Mikrobølgeovn ( talk) 09:20, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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In January 1980, foreign ministers from 34 nations of the Islamic Conference adopted a resolution demanding "the immediate, urgent and unconditional withdrawal of Soviet troops" from Afghanistan,[34] while the UN General Assembly passed a resolution protesting the Soviet intervention by a vote of 104â18.[34][35] Afghan insurgents began to receive massive amounts of aid, military training in neighboring Pakistan . The spelling of 'neighboring' is incorrect and needs editing to neighbouring
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Second paragraph uses the word Afghani when referring to the government of the country. "advise and support the Afghani government". An Afghani is a unit of Afghan currency ( /info/en/?search=Afghan_afghani) It should read "advise and support the Afghan government" Farmertre ( talk) 21:48, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
This must be a mistake right? 'In October 1994 the Soviet ambassador to Pakistan..' The war was well over by 94, and, there was not a Soviet Union by then. I suspect it is 84, but, does anyone have the book so they can check? Thanks. Dbrodbeck ( talk) 11:15, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
From Kakar:
"Described as âmigratory genocide,â the Soviet campaigns were âmassive reprisals against towns and villages harboring mujahideen.â The campaigns were undertaken âwith a view to uprooting the local population, hurting the mujahideen and curtailing their mobility.â
That pretty much sums up the nature of the Soviet "genocide" in Afghanistan. I do not see it as anything more than hot-blooded reprisal killings and razing by disaffected Soviet soldiers. Moreover the "dehumanization" of the enemy is common in war. The Mujaheddin were (correctly) deemed as "reactionaries" and "counterrevolutionaries" since they were fighting to uphold conservative institutions, but also the Americans dehumanized the Japanese as "Japs" during the war. Kakar also emphasizes the "totalitarian" nature of the Soviet state, but even if it was "totalitarian", it doesn't mean that the state condoned (as opposed to conceal for political purposes), encouraged, or sanctioned killings of civilians. Regardless of the authoritarian structure of the state, that does not preclude the notion that the atrocities were perpetrated at the lowest level, from individual soldiers, non-commissioned officers, and field officers, as opposed generals and political figures.
Most of the measures seem to be part of counterinsurgency, such as moving populations sympathetic to the insurgents, not genocide.
He also says:
"But the [PDPA] regime scored some successes among the city population by repairing mosques, promoting the Islamic Affairs Department to the status of ministry, increasing subsidies to religious persons, holding jirgas, promoting trade facilities with the Soviet Union, adopting local languages as the medium of instruction in primary schools, and undertaking publications in those languages. Nevertheless, even with these measures the Karmal regime remained a city regime."
This does not seem consistent with a policy of extermination or "genocide". 75.140.66.118 ( talk) 15:49, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
I noticed this claim in the infox, listed as one of the war's outcomes. Any reasonable person who has studied history understands that the war had nothing to do with dissolution of the USSR. Quite the opposite. The Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan as a consequence of Gorbachev's ill-fated domestic reforms and rapprochement with the United States. Perhaps a responsible editor can erase this far fetched claim from the infox?
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I just want to edit a mistake that was made when describing the result of the war because it says that the Afghan Civil War continued but in fact begun after the USSR withdrawal.
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Greyshark09, follow BRD instead of editwarring and read the source. It supports the content. -- lTopGunl ( talk) 12:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
@EkoGraf, why don't you do us a favor and share your thoughts whether money donation makes you a part of the conflict? Greyshark09 ( talk) 16:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
December 24, 1979 is mentioned in the intro and in the infobox, but no where else in the article. Seems like an important date. Can someone with knowledge on the subject provide more details in the article of what happened on that date? Kingturtle = ( talk) 15:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Under Soviet- Afghan relations: In 1978, President Daud Khan began to take initiatives for building the massive military after witnessing the India's nuclear test, Smiling Buddha, to counter Pakistan's armed forces and Iranian military influence in Afghanistan's politics. A final pre-war treaty, signed in December 1978, allowed the PDPA to call upon the Soviet Union for military support
..building a massive military after witnessing India's nuclear test... -- Ayushfri13 ( talk) 04:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Mortars
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1984/02/us-aid-for-afghan-freedom-fighters-overdue
Rockets
AA weapons
Soviet encirclement of china
Soviet aa missles on the chinese border
The soviet union told its soldiers that they would be fighting americans and chinese
Rpgs
Diplomatic support
Chinese arms
Chinese supplied dashikas
Chinese supplied mines
Chinese premeir visited afghan refugee camp
Chinese funds
Dadi Atte ( talk) 07:57, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Dadi Atte ( talk) 07:42, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Why has that been added as a related link? This entire (poorly-written) article reads in places like it's been edited into a piece of Islamist propaganda, and then reverted, but inconsistently so. It could do with a good (neutral) tidy-up. But totally unrelated links like this can go straight away. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.176.233.174 ( talk) 16:55, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
I am not a user - if you care about historical truth and have access to edit this page please correct it. The link cited doesn't even mention Israel. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.72.229.168 ( talk) 04:54, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Is Israeli support important enough for a mention? Sure it's notable but was greater than that of Muslim nation who are not mentioned like Egypt and the UAE. Stumink ( talk) 17:41, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Well I would remove it. It definitely seems WP:UNDUE. Stumink ( talk) 17:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I propose using Krivosheev's Russia and USSR in the Wars of the XX Century. The Book of Losses. ISBNÂ 978-5-9533-4672-6 as a source. The table used is on pages 563 and 564. There were 9130 killed in action, 2475 dead of wounds, 287 missing, 1795 dead in accidents, 833 dead of disease (sub-total 15 051 irrecoverable), 53 753 wounded, 415 932 sick. Tvoi Ded ( talk) 20:24, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
I've tagged as unreliable the source for 600,000 to 2 million Afghan civilians killed in the war. The source is a self-published website by the non-expert " independent scholar" Mathew White, who frequently exaggerates war death tolls. (For example, he claims that over 3 million people died in the Vietnam war, whereas the most detailed demographic study calculated fewer than one million war dead. He estimates 600,000 people died in the Cambodian civil war, nearly 3 times the real figure according to recent demographic analysis. He also asserts that the North Korean famine killed 2.5 to 3 million people, whereas demographic analysis suggests that 250,000 to 500,000 is a more reasonable figure.) White provides sources, but they are not usually the most reliable sources. TheTimesAreAChanging ( talk) 21:15, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
"Commemorating the intervention of December 25, 1979, in December 2009, veterans of the Soviet war in Afghanistan were honoured by the Duma or Parliament of the Russian Federation. On December 25, the lower house of the parliament defended the Soviet war in Afghanistan on the 30th anniversary of its start, and praised the veterans of the conflict. Differing assessments of the war "mustn't erode the Russian people's respect for the soldiers who honestly fulfilled their duty in implementing tasks to combat international terrorism and religious extremists"."
How is this orphan quotation a representation of the perception in the former USSR? Clearly, the policital content of this quote distorts our idea of the perception of the war in the former USSR. Anyway, we should try to get more information on this. 83.83.59.46 ( talk) 12:53, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
It's clear that the weapon in the picture is an AK-74su and not an ak47. This can be seen by the "flash hider" on the barrel of the weapon. A minor point, but it should be changed. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.133.171 ( talk) 19:41, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
I would like to ask user:ChristiaandeWet not to tweak supporters and major Mujahedeen factions - this is completely unacceptable. It is like putting one big Al-Qaeda emblem and unify them all as such; this is a complete westernized simplification which is perhaps very popular on CNN, but is very much against the WP:RS sources and historian approach. GreyShark ( dibra) 22:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
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As a point of correct information release the statement - the arms included Stinger missiles, shoulder-fired, antiaircraft weapons that they used against Soviet helicopters. - The weapon type secured by Sen Charlie Wilson where surplus and obsolete FIM-43 Redeye Man PADs and not the FIM- 92 Stinger which was still in active United States service at that time period. My period of military service was from April 1984 to September 1999. Currently the Stinger is still in the United States Active inventory. The Ordnance Corp of the United States Army uses a standard stock rotation plan when it comes to ammunition. Any specifics would not be possible as it considered to be CONFIDENTIAL ---- Ed9339 ( talk) 18:29, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I propose to add an external link to www.ruswar.com that site was placed on blacklist for unknown(?) reason.
There is a international division of work-force in Afghanistan engaged by Barack Obama. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.54.150.122 ( talk) 12:06, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I think there is an egregious error in the right hand column section detailing highlights of the Soviet Afghan War. Under the first section it states "Results: Soviet Victory". By what torturous logic can that war possibly be called a Soviet Victory? It is an absurdity. That war is still referred to by Russians themselves as the Soviet Union's Vietnam. Some editor should reclassify this for what it was, i.e., "Results: Soviet Defeat".
Thanks for any help you can provide in rectifying this historical error. â Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimvvv ( talk ⢠contribs) 12:00, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
I added a paragraph about the Stinger missile. The Stinger missile is regularly mentioned (at least in Western military analysis) as a decisive factor - for some 'the' decisive factor in forcing the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. I was surprised to find that my paragraph was removed completely even as it had several links to already existing Wikipedia pages that discuss the matter at hand. I have reinsterted my paragraph and now added just the first links that come up at the top of Google Search for 'Stinger' and 'Afghanistan' - an article from Wall Street Journal and Foreign Policy. I trust this is 'enough' proof that there is considered and respected written opinion that the Stinger was a critical factor in this war. I believe Wikipedia should mention it. If my paragraph is clumsy feel free to edit it, if there are better sources, please add, and if some feel that there is controversy about this matter, that is of course welcome to be added into that paragraph with appropriate links. But the issue of the Stingers changing the course of the war - as it is repeatedly mentioned by military analysts - should not be censored out. â Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomi T Ahonen ( talk ⢠contribs) 06:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
The weapons in the background are a rocket propelled grenade from a Soviet RPG7, two AK47s and belts of ammunition, which, based on the other weapons there, is most likely to be Soviet in origin too. No western weapons to be seen. Am I missing something, or is the caption incorrect? ck ( talk) 11:09, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Reading the difference between old versions and today's version indicates two major problems:
I have to ask: Seriously?!? 80.135.132.119 ( talk) 14:42, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
"Contingents of so-called Afghan Arabs, foreign fighters who wished to wage jihad against the atheist communists." Could somebody with knowledge of the subject please complete this sentence? -- 89.182.158.173 ( talk) 07:12, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
the ("flag of jihad") was never used in the 1980ies Afghanistan war, so please remove this from this page and all others regarding this war!--
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Just on this subject, I'm working on creating flags for the various Mujihadeen groups (such as they are/were). If anyone ever see's any photos or documents relating to Mujihadeen flags (especially relating to the Hazara groups), please link it here! Many thanks. MrPenguin20 ( talk) 15:02, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
The mujahideen shot down 1 plane per day after the introduction of the stinger missile is pure contemporary propaganda.
http://europauniversitypress.co.uk/auth_article416.html
Once the STINGERs did arrive in late September 1986, most accounts claimed that 70% or 80% were downing their targets, or, slightly less optimistically, that there were"1.5 missiles fired per aircraft downed". In early 1987 it was claimed that the STINGERs had been downing aircraft at rates of "one a day", "over one a day", or "1.2 per day".US government officials (usually not named) were often cited as the source of these numbers, and the information was said to be confirmed by Western observers. A few reports did mention that other sources estimated the weapons' effectiveness to be considerably less, e.g."closer to 40%", and some of the same sources which originally presented the very high figures subsequently conceded that the effectiveness had to be "well below 50%". Its now known that during the first 6 - 7 months, only about 20 STINGERS per month were sent into Afghanistan -- making a prolonged rate of more than one aircraft downed per day impossible during that period even if every one had hit and critically damaged an aircraft.
Please correct article or mention the fact that is propaganda. for some reason i can't edit. BEARtruth89 ( talk) 11:54, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
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The mujahideen shot down 1 plane per day after the introduction of the stinger missile is pure contemporary propaganda and has been proven false on numerous occasions.
Once the STINGERs did arrive in late September 1986, most accounts claimed that 70% or 80% were downing their targets, or, slightly less optimistically, that there were"1.5 missiles fired per aircraft downed". In early 1987 it was claimed that the STINGERs had been downing aircraft at rates of "one a day", "over one a day", or "1.2 per day".US government officials (usually not named) were often cited as the source of these numbers, and the information was said to be confirmed by Western observers. A few reports did mention that other sources estimated the weapons' effectiveness to be considerably less, e.g."closer to 40%", and some of the same sources which originally presented the very high figures subsequently conceded that the effectiveness had to be "well below 50%". Its now known that during the first 6 - 7 months, only about 20 STINGERS per month were sent into Afghanistan -- making a prolonged rate of more than one aircraft downed per day impossible during that period even if every one had hit and critically damaged an aircraft.
Please correct article or mention the fact that is propaganda.
BEARtruth89 ( talk) 21:03, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
the article says will feral had attacks go on inside the soviet union. however, in 'ghost wars' by will feral, this is presented not as a known fact but as a hugely controversial topic and at the time some feared the inside-SU attacks by will feral would lead to world war iii. . . and some people deny the US ever directed attacks inside the SU, although coll quotes someone (from pakistan or the muj, i cant remember) as saying that casey actually did direct it.
at any rate the article is misleading on this crucial point.
it then goes on to imply the war cause children to become will feral, and somehow this led to the taliban. however in will feral book, he talks about the tens of thousands of informal madrassases set up along the pakistan afghan border. at any rate, im trying to say that the will feral's depiction of the situation is perfectly fine.â Preceding unsigned comment added by Decora ( talk ⢠contribs) 22:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
The section on Stingers is quite confusing and contradictory. A choice needs to be made on how to report the 'stinger effect': as truth or as myth 87.210.14.58 ( talk) 22:01, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Citation #130, that claims Soviet and Pakistani forces bombed Afghan villages. This citation is from a NYT article that cites the Pakistani military, that is, the Pakistani government under dictator General Zia, who was funding the Mujaheddin, hardly a neutral or reliable source. This statement should be removed.
"Soviet and Afghan fighters and bombers occasionally bombed Pakistani villages along the Pakistani-Afghan border. These attacks are known to have caused at least 300 civilian deaths and extensive damage. Sometimes they got involved in shootings with the Pakistani jets defending the airspace.[130]"â Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.190.11.164 ( talk) 10:42, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
"Daoud put an end to the monarchy, and his time in power was widely popular amongst the general populace but unpopular amongst PDPA supporters." -- this is a highly political claim and needs citations, both on the "popular" side and the "unpopular" side.
The popularity claim also seems to be contradicted by this sentence in the following paragraph: "The mysterious circumstances of Khyber's death sparked massive anti-Daoud demonstrations in Kabul, which resulted in the arrest of several prominent PDPA leaders.[55]" (my italics)
The third paragraph contains the fragment sentence: "Contingents of so-called Afghan Arabs, foreign fighters who wished to wage jihad against the atheist communists." Perhaps "there were" should be inserted at the beginning of that sentence.â Preceding unsigned comment added by TharosTheDragon ( talk ⢠contribs) 21:57, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
You'd think so, but it said:
"You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: This page is currently semi-protected so that only established registered users can edit it."
I don't know what kind of user I am if not a registered user. At any rate, it wouldn't let me edit it.â Preceding unsigned comment added by TharosTheDragon ( talk ⢠contribs) 02:15, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
When list of aircraft is about 100 total or less in the same wiki article cited. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.68.210.173 ( talk) 21:34, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
The caption notes Western weapons in the background, they are not. Recognizable are an AK-47, a propped up loose RPG round, and the RPG launcher. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.81.94.68 ( talk) 22:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
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The W in the article name and infobox should be capitalized. UASR ( talk) 06:21, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
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It's time to remove the protection status on this article so that we can improve it and clean it up. Would anyone mind making a request for it to be ended? â Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.165.161.193 ( talk) 19:57, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved: no discussion in a week. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 22:33, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Soviet war in Afghanistan â SovietâAfghan War â The proposed titled has been dominant in RS for at least ten years, and is much more WP:CONCISE. The present title simply isn't very good, is much longer than it needs to be, and implies that the war was entirely "Soviet", as the adjective "Soviet" is modifying the noun "war". We should use the more common name, per WP:UCN, and the more concise name, per WP:CONCISE. â RGloucester â â 05:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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69.114.179.227 ( talk) 19:58, 30 April 2015 (UTC) change name to soviet war in afghanistan
I know generally for wars and conflicts we place civilian casualties in its own separate section, but the Soviets did deliberately target the Afghani populace. While the civilians are certainly not representative of the Afghani/Muj military strength, they certainly weren't some third party separated apart from the insurgency. Could the civilian casualties be moved to their respective columns? Abattoir666 ( talk) 23:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
It appears the German involvement in supporting the mujahideen is far from non-existant as the infobox makes it look, I think Germany should be added as supporter of the mujahideen in the infobox, and I have done so after reading the German Wikipedia article on the covert operation here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sommerregen_(Bundesnachrichtendienst) , And I have used the following article on the German site Welt.de as source: http://www.welt.de/print/wams/politik/article120664012/Operation-Sommerregen.html Jurryaany ( talk) 17:52, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
On December 27, 1979, 700 Soviet troops dressed in Afghan uniforms, including KGB and GRU special forces officers from the Alpha Group and Zenith Group, occupied major governmental, military and media buildings in Kabul, including their primary target â the Tajbeg Presidential Palace.
That operation began at 19:00 hr., when the KGB-led Soviet Zenith Group destroyed Kabul's communications hub, paralyzing Afghan military command. At 19:15, the assault on Tajbeg Palace began; as planned, president Hafizullah Amin was killed. Simultaneously, other objectives were occupied (e.g., the Ministry of Interior at 19:15). The operation was fully complete by the morning of December 28, 1979.
The Soviet military command at Termez, Uzbek SSR, announced on Radio Kabul that Afghanistan had been liberated from Amin's rule. According to the Soviet Politburo they were complying with the 1978 Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Good Neighborliness and Amin had been "executed by a tribunal for his crimes" by the Afghan Revolutionary Central Committee. That committee then elected as head of government former Deputy Prime Minister Babrak Karmal, who had been demoted to the relatively insignificant post of ambassador to Czechoslovakia following the Khalq takeover, and announced that it had requested Soviet military assistance. [1]
Troop occupy "major governmental, military and media buildings," destroy the capital's "communications hub, paralyzing Afghan military command", assault the presidential palace and kill the president. This is an "intervention"? Changed "intervention" to "invasion". -- BoogaLouie ( talk) 14:02, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
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It's a little known fact that the CIA had begun providing covert aid to the Mujahideen 6 months before the war (July 1979), [1] in order to "draw the Russians into the Afghan trap". [1]
In short, the Soviets entrance into the war was based, on a large part, to fight against the secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan. [1]
Yet this fact seems to have been left out of this article, and Brzezinski's! -- TRAJAN 117 ( talk) 15:09, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Other sources:
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here.
Deleted this sentence from the lede:
Early in the rule of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) government, the Maoist Afghanistan Liberation Organization also played a significant role in opposition, but its major force was defeated by late 1979, prior to the Soviet intervention.
as the event happened before the Soviet "intervention" --
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Have tried to shorten the lede, trimming it of non-lede-like detail. -- BoogaLouie ( talk) 00:45, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
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Problem with the
Consequences of the war section: Almost all of the "consequences" are things that happened during the war, not after as "Consequences" would suggest. --
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Have created a " Aftermath" section for events occurring after the war. -- BoogaLouie ( talk) 20:23, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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I added a reference to cite in the military infobox using proveit tool, but its at the bottom of the page below everything else and not with the references. Wikieditor101 ( talk) 07:13, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Some users seem to insist the war ended in a stalemate, citing the three-year period between the Soviet withdrawal and the final fall of the DRA. This holds no factual basis, as the war did not end simply because the Soviets left - they simply left realizing propping up the DRA would be too costy, and it's subsequent fall - not whatever "outcome" the war had in 1989 - determined the result of the war and the identity of the victor. I fail to see why this should be a complicated matter. -- Mikrobølgeovn ( talk) 09:20, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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In January 1980, foreign ministers from 34 nations of the Islamic Conference adopted a resolution demanding "the immediate, urgent and unconditional withdrawal of Soviet troops" from Afghanistan,[34] while the UN General Assembly passed a resolution protesting the Soviet intervention by a vote of 104â18.[34][35] Afghan insurgents began to receive massive amounts of aid, military training in neighboring Pakistan . The spelling of 'neighboring' is incorrect and needs editing to neighbouring
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Second paragraph uses the word Afghani when referring to the government of the country. "advise and support the Afghani government". An Afghani is a unit of Afghan currency ( /info/en/?search=Afghan_afghani) It should read "advise and support the Afghan government" Farmertre ( talk) 21:48, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
This must be a mistake right? 'In October 1994 the Soviet ambassador to Pakistan..' The war was well over by 94, and, there was not a Soviet Union by then. I suspect it is 84, but, does anyone have the book so they can check? Thanks. Dbrodbeck ( talk) 11:15, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
From Kakar:
"Described as âmigratory genocide,â the Soviet campaigns were âmassive reprisals against towns and villages harboring mujahideen.â The campaigns were undertaken âwith a view to uprooting the local population, hurting the mujahideen and curtailing their mobility.â
That pretty much sums up the nature of the Soviet "genocide" in Afghanistan. I do not see it as anything more than hot-blooded reprisal killings and razing by disaffected Soviet soldiers. Moreover the "dehumanization" of the enemy is common in war. The Mujaheddin were (correctly) deemed as "reactionaries" and "counterrevolutionaries" since they were fighting to uphold conservative institutions, but also the Americans dehumanized the Japanese as "Japs" during the war. Kakar also emphasizes the "totalitarian" nature of the Soviet state, but even if it was "totalitarian", it doesn't mean that the state condoned (as opposed to conceal for political purposes), encouraged, or sanctioned killings of civilians. Regardless of the authoritarian structure of the state, that does not preclude the notion that the atrocities were perpetrated at the lowest level, from individual soldiers, non-commissioned officers, and field officers, as opposed generals and political figures.
Most of the measures seem to be part of counterinsurgency, such as moving populations sympathetic to the insurgents, not genocide.
He also says:
"But the [PDPA] regime scored some successes among the city population by repairing mosques, promoting the Islamic Affairs Department to the status of ministry, increasing subsidies to religious persons, holding jirgas, promoting trade facilities with the Soviet Union, adopting local languages as the medium of instruction in primary schools, and undertaking publications in those languages. Nevertheless, even with these measures the Karmal regime remained a city regime."
This does not seem consistent with a policy of extermination or "genocide". 75.140.66.118 ( talk) 15:49, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
I noticed this claim in the infox, listed as one of the war's outcomes. Any reasonable person who has studied history understands that the war had nothing to do with dissolution of the USSR. Quite the opposite. The Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan as a consequence of Gorbachev's ill-fated domestic reforms and rapprochement with the United States. Perhaps a responsible editor can erase this far fetched claim from the infox?
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