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The Mujahideen were funded in what was the most expensive operation in CIA history and was basically what led the Soviets to invade and yet thrle US and CIA isnt included in the sides in the conflict? 2600:1006:B147:CDA:E1A4:D260:546:71AB ( talk) 19:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Can someone add the Afghan Armed Forces in the units involved section (preferably above paramilitaries)? It was not just Afghan paramilitaries that fought the war, but the Afghan Armed Forces as well. AfghanParatrooper19891 ( talk) 20:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Can we please add Maoist fighters back to the infobox of the page, since Wikipedia is supposed to cover all details of a war? It was removed for very shaky reasons, the idea being that Maoists didn't play any actual role and the one major Maoist leader ( Majid Kalakani) died in 1980. But that's not true. There were multiple Maoist factions, specifically ALO, SAMA and AMFF, and several major Maoist leaders such as Faiz Ahmad and Mulavi Dawood. They were killed in 1986, but were still leaders in the war up to that point, and the Maoists were an active (though considerably less so compared to the Islamists) presence in the war.
I don't necessarily believe they need to be a separate entry from the Afghan Mujahideen section, as that's an all-encompassing title, but they can be included as part of them. How about something like this?
SovietâAfghan War | |||||||
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Part of the Cold War and the Afghan conflict | |||||||
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Belligerents | |||||||
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Commanders and leaders | |||||||
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Sunni Mujahideen:
Shia Mujahideen:
Maoists:
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Units involved | |||||||
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Sunni Mujahideen Factions: Factions:
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Strength | |||||||
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Casualties and losses | |||||||
Total: 86,470â98,017![]() ![]() |
Total: 162,579â192,579+![]()
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Total killed: 80,775â95,775+ | ||||||
Civilian casualties (Afghan): 1,500,000â2,000,000 killed
[25]
[26]
Combatant deaths:3+ million wounded [27] 5+ million externally displaced 2+ million internally displaced More than 562,995 killed
[28]
Total deaths:Approximately 3 million killed
[29] |
Nights At Nyte ( talk) 07:28, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
References
By 1987, the number of Soviet troops reached 120,000.
{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: location (
link)
vfw.org
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).A tentative estimate for total mujahideen losses in 1980â92 may be in the 150â180,000 range, with maybe half of them killed.
562k
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Late in 1988, diplomats and international relief workers estimated that 3 million Afghan men, women and children had died as a direct result of the war
I saw that flag at a parade at the time and decided to digitalise it⌠I donât know what it means but it wasnât used for Sarandoy. AfghanParatrooper19891 ( talk) 06:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
It starts out by saying that "3 million Afghans were killed" out of a population of 13.5M, which is ridiculous. What were they firebombing towns? Mass executing civilians? There are usually many times as many people wounded as killed, so what, half the population was wounded or killed at some point during the war? It wasn't even that bad in Serbia during WW1, and that's about as severe a case as I'm aware of. Then in the info box below that is says that 3 million is the number of casualties. Not killed. And that's the maximum estimate, which is not the most likely one. Casualties includes all the wounded, captured, missing, and killed, the last generally being by far the smallest portion. Maybe if someone took all the deaths that occured in Afghanistan during that ten year period and said "okay these were clearly caused by the war" and wrote that number down you might get something like that. Although I wonder who was keeping accurate counts of the various tribes and villages and what happened to all the people in them over a decade.
Then it says there was 200,000 mujahideen, with 150,000 casualties. 75% of them were killed or wounded? They won the war in spite of only having 50,000 fighters left? Does that include POWs, like most casualty counts? Is 200,000 the total number of fighters who served at some point during the war? Was that the average overall size of their force, which stayed constant the whole time in spite of fighters being killed or wounded, deserting, retiring from age or sickness? It didn't start out as 50K and end up at 200K? At the numbers on the other side measured by the same metric? Hard to have faith in anything an article tells you when you are already having serious doubts before you start to scroll down.
Idumea47b ( talk) 00:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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The Mujahideen were funded in what was the most expensive operation in CIA history and was basically what led the Soviets to invade and yet thrle US and CIA isnt included in the sides in the conflict? 2600:1006:B147:CDA:E1A4:D260:546:71AB ( talk) 19:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Can someone add the Afghan Armed Forces in the units involved section (preferably above paramilitaries)? It was not just Afghan paramilitaries that fought the war, but the Afghan Armed Forces as well. AfghanParatrooper19891 ( talk) 20:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Can we please add Maoist fighters back to the infobox of the page, since Wikipedia is supposed to cover all details of a war? It was removed for very shaky reasons, the idea being that Maoists didn't play any actual role and the one major Maoist leader ( Majid Kalakani) died in 1980. But that's not true. There were multiple Maoist factions, specifically ALO, SAMA and AMFF, and several major Maoist leaders such as Faiz Ahmad and Mulavi Dawood. They were killed in 1986, but were still leaders in the war up to that point, and the Maoists were an active (though considerably less so compared to the Islamists) presence in the war.
I don't necessarily believe they need to be a separate entry from the Afghan Mujahideen section, as that's an all-encompassing title, but they can be included as part of them. How about something like this?
SovietâAfghan War | |||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Part of the Cold War and the Afghan conflict | |||||||
![]() ![]()
| |||||||
| |||||||
Belligerents | |||||||
![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() | ||||||
Commanders and leaders | |||||||
![]() |
Sunni Mujahideen:
Shia Mujahideen:
Maoists:
| ||||||
Units involved | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() Paramilitaries: |
Sunni Mujahideen Factions: Factions:
| ||||||
Strength | |||||||
![]() ![]()
|
![]() | ||||||
Casualties and losses | |||||||
Total: 86,470â98,017![]() ![]() |
Total: 162,579â192,579+![]()
![]()
Total killed: 80,775â95,775+ | ||||||
Civilian casualties (Afghan): 1,500,000â2,000,000 killed
[25]
[26]
Combatant deaths:3+ million wounded [27] 5+ million externally displaced 2+ million internally displaced More than 562,995 killed
[28]
Total deaths:Approximately 3 million killed
[29] |
Nights At Nyte ( talk) 07:28, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
References
By 1987, the number of Soviet troops reached 120,000.
{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: location (
link)
vfw.org
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).A tentative estimate for total mujahideen losses in 1980â92 may be in the 150â180,000 range, with maybe half of them killed.
562k
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Late in 1988, diplomats and international relief workers estimated that 3 million Afghan men, women and children had died as a direct result of the war
I saw that flag at a parade at the time and decided to digitalise it⌠I donât know what it means but it wasnât used for Sarandoy. AfghanParatrooper19891 ( talk) 06:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
It starts out by saying that "3 million Afghans were killed" out of a population of 13.5M, which is ridiculous. What were they firebombing towns? Mass executing civilians? There are usually many times as many people wounded as killed, so what, half the population was wounded or killed at some point during the war? It wasn't even that bad in Serbia during WW1, and that's about as severe a case as I'm aware of. Then in the info box below that is says that 3 million is the number of casualties. Not killed. And that's the maximum estimate, which is not the most likely one. Casualties includes all the wounded, captured, missing, and killed, the last generally being by far the smallest portion. Maybe if someone took all the deaths that occured in Afghanistan during that ten year period and said "okay these were clearly caused by the war" and wrote that number down you might get something like that. Although I wonder who was keeping accurate counts of the various tribes and villages and what happened to all the people in them over a decade.
Then it says there was 200,000 mujahideen, with 150,000 casualties. 75% of them were killed or wounded? They won the war in spite of only having 50,000 fighters left? Does that include POWs, like most casualty counts? Is 200,000 the total number of fighters who served at some point during the war? Was that the average overall size of their force, which stayed constant the whole time in spite of fighters being killed or wounded, deserting, retiring from age or sickness? It didn't start out as 50K and end up at 200K? At the numbers on the other side measured by the same metric? Hard to have faith in anything an article tells you when you are already having serious doubts before you start to scroll down.
Idumea47b ( talk) 00:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)