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Southern Kurdish dialects are spoken widely outside Kermanshah province such as Ilam, Mandali, Badra etc. Kermanshah province itself is a new political designation only for parts of Iranian Kurdistan where southern Kurdish is spoken. Also Mackenzie and all linguists use southern Kurdish for this variation of Kurdish. Kurdish nationalists use the term Southern Sorani. Ellipi ( talk) 07:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Laki is the major dialect of southern Kurdish but it has not been mentioned here!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lekistan ( talk • contribs) 07:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 ( talk) 15:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Southern Kurdish dialects →
Southern Kurdish language – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here.
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you haven't been asked to present any rationale." Now, in the context of your move request, which comes in the context of two recent and previous Kurdish dialect/language move requests, you now expect another editor to do more work in a context where you have presented nothing. Greg Kaye 01:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I saw a Kurdish" is grammatically inaccurate? Khestwol ( talk) 09:21, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
most linguists speak of Kurdish languages in the plural? Ludwig Paul, at least, strongly disagrees with you, as per the title of his academic article "Kurdish language" on Iranica ( see link). I also disagree with you. I am sure most other linguists also disagree with your assessment. Per Google Ngram Viewer, books talk about "Kurdish language", not "Kurdish languages". Are the books wrong? I am aware Ethnologue does support you, but then Ethnologue also considers Pashto language as plural languages and not a singular language ( [1]). It is of course not supported academically. Are you going to move that article to "Pashto languages" per Ethnologue? If yes, then that will be against what most linguists say. If no, then neither should you move this article I think. Khestwol ( talk) 18:30, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 06:09, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
– This is a minor change to clean things up a bit in line with our naming conventions. WP:NCL states, Varieties can be named by prepending a modifier to the name of the parent language, as at Standard German and African American Vernacular English. This is useful when there is disagreement as to whether a variety is an accent or a dialect, as at Estuary English, or a dialect or a separate language, as at Egyptian Arabic and Mandarin Chinese, or whether it constitutes a single dialect or several, as at Southern American English.
It's not just useful, but quite common on WP. The use of "dialects" in the titles of these articles is being used to sidestep this very issue, and the problem can be more elegantly sidestepped by being completely agnostic. Note that the proposed names will work regardless of whether the main Kurdish article is at "language" or "languages". Whether Northern Kurdish should receive a parallel name can be left to a separate discussion. — kwami ( talk) 23:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
There are many debates over the Lurish, Kurdish or even independent identity of some languages like Feyli, Kalhori, Pahlawani, etc. To include and merge them into a recently=defined and not on scientific and historical bases title : Southern Kurdish seems a completely evident deviation and WP:POVPUSH objective evidence. -- Shadegan ( talk) 05:59, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
In this edit, I rewrote and re-linked the paragraph on the Laki dialect. It was a tangle of names, blue links, redlinks, and no punctuation. I hope I straightened it out correctly, but there's a good chance I made a mistake somewhere. I'm not familiar with Iran at all, and many of the names that were already linked were the same names as towns, rural districts, districts, counties, and even provinces. I edited with the assumption that what was intended was the larger area (e.g., Nurabad Rural District (Lorestan Province) instead of the town of Nurabad, Lorestan). This may have been a wrong assumption; but it was the only way I saw to make the sentence consistent.
I urge other editors to please check this edit of mine thoroughly. Thanks. — Gorthian ( talk) 18:35, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
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There are wrong info. Klhrri ( talk) 19:32, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
There are wrong info. Klhrri ( talk) 19:32, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Ardalani is central and wrong info. Klhrri ( talk) 19:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
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Citation in the Name section is for Kurdistan province which is not included in the SK area. 94.24.23.120 ( talk) 23:43, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
You forget to add luri Hogirkurdish15 ( talk) 20:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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In southern Kurdish, there is no sound V and loan words with the sound V gets changed to a W sound. And the L is a dark L such as the English L Əiqi ( talk) 01:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)Native speaker/Me and Father Əiqi ( talk) 01:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
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Southern Kurdish dialects are spoken widely outside Kermanshah province such as Ilam, Mandali, Badra etc. Kermanshah province itself is a new political designation only for parts of Iranian Kurdistan where southern Kurdish is spoken. Also Mackenzie and all linguists use southern Kurdish for this variation of Kurdish. Kurdish nationalists use the term Southern Sorani. Ellipi ( talk) 07:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Laki is the major dialect of southern Kurdish but it has not been mentioned here!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lekistan ( talk • contribs) 07:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Central Kurdish dialects which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 20:59, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 ( talk) 15:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Southern Kurdish dialects →
Southern Kurdish language – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here.
Mjbmr (
talk)
06:20, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
you haven't been asked to present any rationale." Now, in the context of your move request, which comes in the context of two recent and previous Kurdish dialect/language move requests, you now expect another editor to do more work in a context where you have presented nothing. Greg Kaye 01:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I saw a Kurdish" is grammatically inaccurate? Khestwol ( talk) 09:21, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
most linguists speak of Kurdish languages in the plural? Ludwig Paul, at least, strongly disagrees with you, as per the title of his academic article "Kurdish language" on Iranica ( see link). I also disagree with you. I am sure most other linguists also disagree with your assessment. Per Google Ngram Viewer, books talk about "Kurdish language", not "Kurdish languages". Are the books wrong? I am aware Ethnologue does support you, but then Ethnologue also considers Pashto language as plural languages and not a singular language ( [1]). It is of course not supported academically. Are you going to move that article to "Pashto languages" per Ethnologue? If yes, then that will be against what most linguists say. If no, then neither should you move this article I think. Khestwol ( talk) 18:30, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 06:09, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
– This is a minor change to clean things up a bit in line with our naming conventions. WP:NCL states, Varieties can be named by prepending a modifier to the name of the parent language, as at Standard German and African American Vernacular English. This is useful when there is disagreement as to whether a variety is an accent or a dialect, as at Estuary English, or a dialect or a separate language, as at Egyptian Arabic and Mandarin Chinese, or whether it constitutes a single dialect or several, as at Southern American English.
It's not just useful, but quite common on WP. The use of "dialects" in the titles of these articles is being used to sidestep this very issue, and the problem can be more elegantly sidestepped by being completely agnostic. Note that the proposed names will work regardless of whether the main Kurdish article is at "language" or "languages". Whether Northern Kurdish should receive a parallel name can be left to a separate discussion. — kwami ( talk) 23:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
There are many debates over the Lurish, Kurdish or even independent identity of some languages like Feyli, Kalhori, Pahlawani, etc. To include and merge them into a recently=defined and not on scientific and historical bases title : Southern Kurdish seems a completely evident deviation and WP:POVPUSH objective evidence. -- Shadegan ( talk) 05:59, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
In this edit, I rewrote and re-linked the paragraph on the Laki dialect. It was a tangle of names, blue links, redlinks, and no punctuation. I hope I straightened it out correctly, but there's a good chance I made a mistake somewhere. I'm not familiar with Iran at all, and many of the names that were already linked were the same names as towns, rural districts, districts, counties, and even provinces. I edited with the assumption that what was intended was the larger area (e.g., Nurabad Rural District (Lorestan Province) instead of the town of Nurabad, Lorestan). This may have been a wrong assumption; but it was the only way I saw to make the sentence consistent.
I urge other editors to please check this edit of mine thoroughly. Thanks. — Gorthian ( talk) 18:35, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
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There are wrong info. Klhrri ( talk) 19:32, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
There are wrong info. Klhrri ( talk) 19:32, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Ardalani is central and wrong info. Klhrri ( talk) 19:34, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
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Citation in the Name section is for Kurdistan province which is not included in the SK area. 94.24.23.120 ( talk) 23:43, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
You forget to add luri Hogirkurdish15 ( talk) 20:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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In southern Kurdish, there is no sound V and loan words with the sound V gets changed to a W sound. And the L is a dark L such as the English L Əiqi ( talk) 01:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)Native speaker/Me and Father Əiqi ( talk) 01:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)