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Of Southern Ireland, [1] 'country' is either too imprecise or implies statehood. SI and NI were part of the country commonly known by its abbreviation the 'United Kingdom'. Qexigator ( talk) 08:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
On what planet is this true? - "Southern Ireland, South Ireland or South of Ireland is most commonly used to refer to the southern part of Ireland." I can't find any citations on this page to back this up. Personally the South of Ireland to me has always been the Republic. Dubs boy ( talk) 20:55, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
This discussion closed months ago. Please don't resurrect. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 18:33, 31 December 2015 (UTC) |
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"Southern Ireland" was the official name given to the larger of the two areas that Ireland was partitioned into; i.e. the 26 counties, with the remaining 6 counties being named Northern Ireland. Since the partition the term Southern Ireland has been extensively used to mean this same part of Ireland, now directly administered by the current independant state. The term is never used to mean the province of Munster or for the South Ireland European Parliamentary constituency. The article should firstly address its modern meaning and the origin of the official use of the term. The article should address other uses of the term, such as the 1921-1922 administration, by a hatnote or a seperate disambiguation article. Souhern Ireland's existence as a political entity did end on 6 December 1922. Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland became autonomous regions of the newly created Irish Free State on 6 December 1922 under terms of the Irish Free State Constitution Act 1922. Is there evidence that Southern Ireland ever ended? I speculate that the term Southern Ireland may not have been used because the Free State and the Republic of Ireland claimed sovereignty over the whole island not just the 26 counties. The political status of Southern Ireland has changed a few times since the Partition but the term Southern Ireland continues to be used when referring to Ireland in debates in the UK parliament. Here is a link to one of many examples of UK parliamentary verbatim available where the term Southern Ireland is used for the said context: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmniaf/886/6020107.htm AlwynJPie ( talk) 09:44, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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Ah the Street Fighter fan IP located to Switzerland returns. If they have a user account, then why do they make so many edits as an IP, and not just that one IP, considering the last number variation they have used? You have an account and you should always use your account otherwise it can come across as socking, especially if your using a VPN.
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How successful the administrations formed under the 1920 Act turned out is not the point. The point is two self-governing territories were created by the United Kingdom government. This may not have been recognised by the Irish Republic government which had declared Ireland independent from Great Britain in January 1919 but few countries of the world recognised the Irish Republic as legitimate. AlwynJPie ( talk) 13:37, 30 December 2015 (UTC) |
Because Southerm Ireland was the name given to the larger of the two parts of Ireland that were created when Ireland was partitioned under the Government of Ireland Act 1920 and the term Southern Ireland has since almost universally been used to mean this same area of Ireland I feel Southern Ireland does not meet the criteria to warrent it as a disambiguation page and it should become an article with a hatnote to a diambiguation page refered to as Southern Ireland (disambiguation) where other usages of the term can be linked. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Disambiguation_pages AlwynJPie ( talk) 15:06, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Bkonrad, the name of Ireland, the state, is "Ireland". Under statute, its official description is "the Republic of Ireland". Referring to the state as "Southern Ireland" - either the name of a state that no longer exists, or a geographical description - is, therefore, erroneneous. This is fact, not just POV. There is no need to edit war over this. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:28, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
PS - you may also want to read the prior discussions on the "Southern Ireland" issue... Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:30, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
... the state is also referred to as "the Republic", "Southern Ireland" or "the South".older ≠ wiser 15:25, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
I suppose I can't really complain about reversion of my bold edit, but I still believe that we have a duty to our readers to make it clear that this usage in respect of Ireland (state) is unambiguously wrong. Accepting that my change didn't find favour, is there another way to achieve the same effect? -- Red King ( talk)
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Of Southern Ireland, [1] 'country' is either too imprecise or implies statehood. SI and NI were part of the country commonly known by its abbreviation the 'United Kingdom'. Qexigator ( talk) 08:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
On what planet is this true? - "Southern Ireland, South Ireland or South of Ireland is most commonly used to refer to the southern part of Ireland." I can't find any citations on this page to back this up. Personally the South of Ireland to me has always been the Republic. Dubs boy ( talk) 20:55, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
This discussion closed months ago. Please don't resurrect. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 18:33, 31 December 2015 (UTC) |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
"Southern Ireland" was the official name given to the larger of the two areas that Ireland was partitioned into; i.e. the 26 counties, with the remaining 6 counties being named Northern Ireland. Since the partition the term Southern Ireland has been extensively used to mean this same part of Ireland, now directly administered by the current independant state. The term is never used to mean the province of Munster or for the South Ireland European Parliamentary constituency. The article should firstly address its modern meaning and the origin of the official use of the term. The article should address other uses of the term, such as the 1921-1922 administration, by a hatnote or a seperate disambiguation article. Souhern Ireland's existence as a political entity did end on 6 December 1922. Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland became autonomous regions of the newly created Irish Free State on 6 December 1922 under terms of the Irish Free State Constitution Act 1922. Is there evidence that Southern Ireland ever ended? I speculate that the term Southern Ireland may not have been used because the Free State and the Republic of Ireland claimed sovereignty over the whole island not just the 26 counties. The political status of Southern Ireland has changed a few times since the Partition but the term Southern Ireland continues to be used when referring to Ireland in debates in the UK parliament. Here is a link to one of many examples of UK parliamentary verbatim available where the term Southern Ireland is used for the said context: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmniaf/886/6020107.htm AlwynJPie ( talk) 09:44, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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Ah the Street Fighter fan IP located to Switzerland returns. If they have a user account, then why do they make so many edits as an IP, and not just that one IP, considering the last number variation they have used? You have an account and you should always use your account otherwise it can come across as socking, especially if your using a VPN.
Mabuska
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14:52, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
How successful the administrations formed under the 1920 Act turned out is not the point. The point is two self-governing territories were created by the United Kingdom government. This may not have been recognised by the Irish Republic government which had declared Ireland independent from Great Britain in January 1919 but few countries of the world recognised the Irish Republic as legitimate. AlwynJPie ( talk) 13:37, 30 December 2015 (UTC) |
Because Southerm Ireland was the name given to the larger of the two parts of Ireland that were created when Ireland was partitioned under the Government of Ireland Act 1920 and the term Southern Ireland has since almost universally been used to mean this same area of Ireland I feel Southern Ireland does not meet the criteria to warrent it as a disambiguation page and it should become an article with a hatnote to a diambiguation page refered to as Southern Ireland (disambiguation) where other usages of the term can be linked. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Disambiguation_pages AlwynJPie ( talk) 15:06, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Bkonrad, the name of Ireland, the state, is "Ireland". Under statute, its official description is "the Republic of Ireland". Referring to the state as "Southern Ireland" - either the name of a state that no longer exists, or a geographical description - is, therefore, erroneneous. This is fact, not just POV. There is no need to edit war over this. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:28, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
PS - you may also want to read the prior discussions on the "Southern Ireland" issue... Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:30, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
... the state is also referred to as "the Republic", "Southern Ireland" or "the South".older ≠ wiser 15:25, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
I suppose I can't really complain about reversion of my bold edit, but I still believe that we have a duty to our readers to make it clear that this usage in respect of Ireland (state) is unambiguously wrong. Accepting that my change didn't find favour, is there another way to achieve the same effect? -- Red King ( talk)