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I know that the North Korea's planned missile launch is a serious provocation to its neighbors in the region and that even the North's closest ally China oppose the test, but its influence on the South's election was minimum.
The North's missile will be launched between April 12 and 15 and its planned date is after the election date, April 11, and the South reported it very calmly. Because of the North's numerous provocations in the past, South Koreans have accustomed to the North's erratic behaviors, even to the point that some people don't take it seriously. (some nationalistic liberals/progressivists even claim that the North's acquisition of nuke/ballistic missile is a good thing for the pride of all Korean people: Pop star criticised after praising North Korea's nuclear ambitions, 28 Apr 2009, The Telegraph)
Second, the conservatives won the election and majority not because of their policy or the North Korean issue, but because of the liberal Democratic United Party's clumsiness. I can hardly find any political analysts mentioning the North as the reason for the Saenuri's unexpected victory. ( Saenuri's realistic goal was 121 seats, and they hoped for 130 to 140 seats in the National assembly. 152 seats were above anyone's expectation, and conservatives themselves were surprised at the result.) Most analysts agree that Kim Yong-min's scandal shifted about 15 seats toward Saenuri. ( 김용민, 막말로 15석·민주 제1당·야권연대 과반 날렸다 in Korean, 2012-04-12, The Chosun ilbo) Moreover, Korea-U.S. FTA and Jeju-do Naval Base were bigger issues than the North's missile.
In short, we shouldn't focus North Korean issues in this article. PBJT ( talk) 22:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Could someone who reads Korean provide a link to the correct page at the NEC website from which these figures were obtained? The current link is just to the front page. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 04:20, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Many thanks. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 01:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
What does "Saenuri" mean in English? Why are we calling it by its Korean name in contrast to all the other parties? Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 06:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Korean politics are conventionally described as a contest between conservatives and liberals, but the voting pattern is clearly regional, not class-based as in Europe or Australia. Why does nearly everyone in Cholla vote for liberals and nearly everyone in Kyongsan vote for conservatives? Is this division historical, ethnic, linguistic, religious? Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 02:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
The map accompanying the article shows the DUP winning three seats in Busan. The figures show only two. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 06:50, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Do we need to include Prime Minister position in the info box? SK doesn't have British parliamentary system, and PMs are appointed by the President. For example, PM Kim Hwang-sik was a Supreme court justice and then a chairperson of the Board of Audit and Inspection before he was chosen as a PM by President Lee. He has never been a politician, and not affiliated with GNP or Saenuri. PBJT ( talk) 18:29, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Korea Society Opinion Insititute (KSOI) isn't a subsidiary of Hankyoreh nor "Hankyoreh/KSOI" isn't a joint venture between the two. The Hankyoreh gave orders to KSOI to do a survey, and KSOI simply did the job. I will leave these two firms connected by slash for the sake of consistency, but any punctuation mark (dash, hyphen, dot, or and) can be used instead of slash. PBJT ( talk) 03:27, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
The maps at this article and at the article for the 2008 election show no changes in the constituency boundaries. But the tables of results show that South Kyongsang elected 17 members in 2008 and 16 in 2012, while South Cholla elected 12 members in 2008 and 11 in 2012. Is there an error somewhere? Also the new constituency of Sejong City does not appear to be shown on the 2012 map. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 07:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
" Paju district in Gyeonggi (divided), Wonju district in Gangwon(divided), Sejong City (established). Namhae- Hadong county in South Gyeongsang Province (merged), Damyang- Gokseong- Gurye county in South Jeolla Province (merged). Local seat total (245→246), Block seat total (54→54)."
Again, Could anyone delete those Korean text from the map? I would like to edit it, but don't know how... PBJT ( talk) 00:38, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying all that for me. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 02:29, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I just wanted to note here as well that I've gone ahead and added details for the Pro-Park Coalition as well in the infobox in the comparison for Saenuri, because I think it's otherwise very misleading (i.e. showing a positive swing when in fact voters quite obviously were leaving the party), and it doesn't make a lot of sense anyway - the PPC itself was a momentary phenomenon reflecting an internal division within the GNP. In any case we could technically say that Saenuri was a merger of the GNP and the PPC / Future Hope Alliance. -- Tyrannus Mundi ( talk) 23:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm starting the discussion because including specific sentence to the article has become an editing war, and I already reverted three times. First of all User:Komitsuki, "You call yourself democratic?" could be a personal attack. So please be careful with that.
From my perspective, the police investigation right has very little to do with election result and it wasn't even a major issue during the election campaigns. The issue has been a continuous debate since at least previous government under President Roh. Thus, this isn't a couple of month old nor completely new issue. Even when Uri Party hold the majority in the Assembly, they couldn't pass the investigation right reform. So, the issue is at best a power struggle between two agencies.
Next, during the campaign period numerous neutrality violations had occurred, thus giving undue weight to the Ministry of Finance's report isn't necessary here. Otherwise, we have to enumerate every single incident of NEC's warning case. Furthermore, there's no evidence that the report have swayed voter's decision toward the conservatives. And since both Saenuri and DUP moved their position to the left, the report wasn't targeted at DUP.
I welcome anyone's suggestion to my comments. Thanks. --- PBJT ( talk) 15:04, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I moved them to other articles. Are you happy now? Unfortunately Koreans in general can't accomplish the win-win situations. (And no, this is not an insult; I'm a half-Korean.) Komitsuki ( talk) 15:39, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I told you, it's not an attack. You're not the first Korean contributor who mocked me. Komitsuki ( talk) 15:50, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Anyone interested in SK politics and the implication of this 2012 legislative election might find this podcast from the Korea Society interesting: Korea’s Legislative Elections: The Day After (Date: April 12, 2012) --- PBJT ( talk) 23:01, 10 May 2012 (UTC) Summary:
Prof. Shin Gi-wook (Stanford University)
Prof. Charles K. Armstrong (Columbia University)
--- PBJT ( talk) 07:11, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
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I know that the North Korea's planned missile launch is a serious provocation to its neighbors in the region and that even the North's closest ally China oppose the test, but its influence on the South's election was minimum.
The North's missile will be launched between April 12 and 15 and its planned date is after the election date, April 11, and the South reported it very calmly. Because of the North's numerous provocations in the past, South Koreans have accustomed to the North's erratic behaviors, even to the point that some people don't take it seriously. (some nationalistic liberals/progressivists even claim that the North's acquisition of nuke/ballistic missile is a good thing for the pride of all Korean people: Pop star criticised after praising North Korea's nuclear ambitions, 28 Apr 2009, The Telegraph)
Second, the conservatives won the election and majority not because of their policy or the North Korean issue, but because of the liberal Democratic United Party's clumsiness. I can hardly find any political analysts mentioning the North as the reason for the Saenuri's unexpected victory. ( Saenuri's realistic goal was 121 seats, and they hoped for 130 to 140 seats in the National assembly. 152 seats were above anyone's expectation, and conservatives themselves were surprised at the result.) Most analysts agree that Kim Yong-min's scandal shifted about 15 seats toward Saenuri. ( 김용민, 막말로 15석·민주 제1당·야권연대 과반 날렸다 in Korean, 2012-04-12, The Chosun ilbo) Moreover, Korea-U.S. FTA and Jeju-do Naval Base were bigger issues than the North's missile.
In short, we shouldn't focus North Korean issues in this article. PBJT ( talk) 22:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Could someone who reads Korean provide a link to the correct page at the NEC website from which these figures were obtained? The current link is just to the front page. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 04:20, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Many thanks. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 01:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
What does "Saenuri" mean in English? Why are we calling it by its Korean name in contrast to all the other parties? Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 06:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Korean politics are conventionally described as a contest between conservatives and liberals, but the voting pattern is clearly regional, not class-based as in Europe or Australia. Why does nearly everyone in Cholla vote for liberals and nearly everyone in Kyongsan vote for conservatives? Is this division historical, ethnic, linguistic, religious? Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 02:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
The map accompanying the article shows the DUP winning three seats in Busan. The figures show only two. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 06:50, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Do we need to include Prime Minister position in the info box? SK doesn't have British parliamentary system, and PMs are appointed by the President. For example, PM Kim Hwang-sik was a Supreme court justice and then a chairperson of the Board of Audit and Inspection before he was chosen as a PM by President Lee. He has never been a politician, and not affiliated with GNP or Saenuri. PBJT ( talk) 18:29, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Korea Society Opinion Insititute (KSOI) isn't a subsidiary of Hankyoreh nor "Hankyoreh/KSOI" isn't a joint venture between the two. The Hankyoreh gave orders to KSOI to do a survey, and KSOI simply did the job. I will leave these two firms connected by slash for the sake of consistency, but any punctuation mark (dash, hyphen, dot, or and) can be used instead of slash. PBJT ( talk) 03:27, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
The maps at this article and at the article for the 2008 election show no changes in the constituency boundaries. But the tables of results show that South Kyongsang elected 17 members in 2008 and 16 in 2012, while South Cholla elected 12 members in 2008 and 11 in 2012. Is there an error somewhere? Also the new constituency of Sejong City does not appear to be shown on the 2012 map. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 07:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
" Paju district in Gyeonggi (divided), Wonju district in Gangwon(divided), Sejong City (established). Namhae- Hadong county in South Gyeongsang Province (merged), Damyang- Gokseong- Gurye county in South Jeolla Province (merged). Local seat total (245→246), Block seat total (54→54)."
Again, Could anyone delete those Korean text from the map? I would like to edit it, but don't know how... PBJT ( talk) 00:38, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying all that for me. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 02:29, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
I just wanted to note here as well that I've gone ahead and added details for the Pro-Park Coalition as well in the infobox in the comparison for Saenuri, because I think it's otherwise very misleading (i.e. showing a positive swing when in fact voters quite obviously were leaving the party), and it doesn't make a lot of sense anyway - the PPC itself was a momentary phenomenon reflecting an internal division within the GNP. In any case we could technically say that Saenuri was a merger of the GNP and the PPC / Future Hope Alliance. -- Tyrannus Mundi ( talk) 23:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm starting the discussion because including specific sentence to the article has become an editing war, and I already reverted three times. First of all User:Komitsuki, "You call yourself democratic?" could be a personal attack. So please be careful with that.
From my perspective, the police investigation right has very little to do with election result and it wasn't even a major issue during the election campaigns. The issue has been a continuous debate since at least previous government under President Roh. Thus, this isn't a couple of month old nor completely new issue. Even when Uri Party hold the majority in the Assembly, they couldn't pass the investigation right reform. So, the issue is at best a power struggle between two agencies.
Next, during the campaign period numerous neutrality violations had occurred, thus giving undue weight to the Ministry of Finance's report isn't necessary here. Otherwise, we have to enumerate every single incident of NEC's warning case. Furthermore, there's no evidence that the report have swayed voter's decision toward the conservatives. And since both Saenuri and DUP moved their position to the left, the report wasn't targeted at DUP.
I welcome anyone's suggestion to my comments. Thanks. --- PBJT ( talk) 15:04, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I moved them to other articles. Are you happy now? Unfortunately Koreans in general can't accomplish the win-win situations. (And no, this is not an insult; I'm a half-Korean.) Komitsuki ( talk) 15:39, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I told you, it's not an attack. You're not the first Korean contributor who mocked me. Komitsuki ( talk) 15:50, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Anyone interested in SK politics and the implication of this 2012 legislative election might find this podcast from the Korea Society interesting: Korea’s Legislative Elections: The Day After (Date: April 12, 2012) --- PBJT ( talk) 23:01, 10 May 2012 (UTC) Summary:
Prof. Shin Gi-wook (Stanford University)
Prof. Charles K. Armstrong (Columbia University)
--- PBJT ( talk) 07:11, 13 May 2012 (UTC)