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The last paragraph of the intro section is inconsistent in its naming and use of Wikilinking to previous instances of the South Ferry. The former uses the Wikipedia article name ("South Ferry loops") but not the actual station name in the text, while the latter uses the station name "South Ferry" with a piped link to the Wikipedia article. Following is how it reads as of now:
Since we already said it bears the name South Ferry in the first sentence, it seems redundant to name it again in each individual reference. We could remove the restatements of the names as follows, but then the link would be relevant to the context, and not the actual linked term:
I believe this needs to be fixed. Since many of you are more experienced with the styles used on Wikipedia than I am, I leave it in your hands to resolve. Any thoughts? - Sme3 ( talk) 18:03, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
The introduction to the IRT-7th Ave states that "[t]he loop station has the distinction of being the only station complex to completely close while remaining intact." This was recently Wikilinked to a list of closed, but existing stations; which seems to contradict the very statement. Can someone explain what this sentence means, and perhaps reword it? - Sme3 ( talk) 13:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
There is an edit war brewing over whether or not this article is a stub. As per WP:STUB, a stub is "An article too short to provide more than rudimentary information about a subject". In my mind, there is some historical information in this article, therefore it is not a stub. I am reverting back to the "non-stub" status, and request any debate occur here. - Sme3 ( talk) 13:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I suggest this discussion be moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation as this is project-specific vs. page-specific. It seems from Jimmy's response above, that he does not understand what a stub article is. We need a better template to link to Transportation in New York City, if we need a template at all for that. Acps110 ( talk) 18:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Vchohen, if you're listening, please redo MY edit. I forgot how I did it in the first place. It had at the top of the page, Where N & R is, please put back (1), and where the (1) south ferry part is, put the (1) back, that's all. 24.193.156.117 ( talk) 18:48, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
The two stations are part of the same station complex, and New York City Subway stations within the same complex are always described within the same article. Epicgenius ( talk) 01:01, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Can we really call a 200 year old wall prehistoric? 99.108.140.49 ( talk) 20:28, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved, thank christ. Definitely something that should be handled at a project level with a RfC. Jenks24 ( talk) 10:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
– Per WP:USSTATION. This convention has already been applied to the entire Washington Metro system, and I like how it removes many of the parentheses that simply aren't necessary. This is a requested move for all of the 1 train stations, and if successful, I will go ahead and change the remaining stations in the system as well. As for the duplicates (of which there are many in Manhattan -- 86th Street corresponds to three stations in Manhattan and two in Brooklyn), I've left the parentheses with line names inside them. I'm not sure if this is superior to, say, the name of the avenue in which the station is on (like Lexington Avenue, Central Park West, etc.), but I'm open to other suggestions. Let's see how this goes...I welcome your feedback, approval, disapproval, etc — c16sh ( speak up) 04:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
most people on the NYC subway say, "I'm going to Rector Street"and this is certainly a very valid comment. I am speaking from a distant vantage point of Sussex in the UK but I would imagine that people not on the NYC subway may say, "I'm going to Rector Street station" or "I'm getting on the subway/getting the train at Rector Street". I don't have strong views on this but, in a sea of opposition, I just wanted to provisionally present a clearly questionable but opposing view. Encyclopedic content can, IMO, be presented by both means and I think that the question needs to be what best meets readers needs. The titles clearly already achieve the minimum standard of disambiguation and I appreciate that this goes into other territory. Greg Kaye 08:55, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
The guideline seems to have been misused to push through page moves contrary to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, even though WP:USSTATION states that the usual disambiguation rules apply.I completely agree with you on that. In any case, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC needs to be really considered when moving pages in the name of WP:USSTATION. Since more than half of the articles listed still require a disambiguator after the page move—plus the new names are now longer, violating WP:CONCISE—moving the pages is useless in this case. There needs to be a very long discussion among the larger community before changing the name format of any New York City Subway articles. Epic Genius ( talk) 22:47, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Whitehall Station redirects here. That's a potential move target for Whitehall (Amtrak station). I didn't see any discussion of that name in the article itself. Is that usage common? Mackensen (talk) 16:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
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I am attempting to correct the dates on the opening of the South Ferry loops. The inner opened in 1905. The outer loop did not open until 1918.
I have only gotten to part of the article. I will do the rest when I get a chance (or someone else can do it).
Source: https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/IRT_West_Side_Line#South_Ferry
Note: nycsubway.org had been around since 1995. The original wiki article was actually copied from that site.
Allan (
talk) 20:06, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
The "outer loop" platform was the first built at this location. The outer loop was built for the Lexington Avenue Line, but when the West Side Line was opened in 1918, West Side trains took over the outer platform. The inner loop could serve only the Lexington Avenue Line, but it was opened only as a result of the West Side Line being extended down here. I believe the confusion stems from the fact that the inner Lexington Avenue platform and the West Side Line opened at the same time. Epicgenius ( talk) 23:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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The last paragraph of the intro section is inconsistent in its naming and use of Wikilinking to previous instances of the South Ferry. The former uses the Wikipedia article name ("South Ferry loops") but not the actual station name in the text, while the latter uses the station name "South Ferry" with a piped link to the Wikipedia article. Following is how it reads as of now:
Since we already said it bears the name South Ferry in the first sentence, it seems redundant to name it again in each individual reference. We could remove the restatements of the names as follows, but then the link would be relevant to the context, and not the actual linked term:
I believe this needs to be fixed. Since many of you are more experienced with the styles used on Wikipedia than I am, I leave it in your hands to resolve. Any thoughts? - Sme3 ( talk) 18:03, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
The introduction to the IRT-7th Ave states that "[t]he loop station has the distinction of being the only station complex to completely close while remaining intact." This was recently Wikilinked to a list of closed, but existing stations; which seems to contradict the very statement. Can someone explain what this sentence means, and perhaps reword it? - Sme3 ( talk) 13:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
There is an edit war brewing over whether or not this article is a stub. As per WP:STUB, a stub is "An article too short to provide more than rudimentary information about a subject". In my mind, there is some historical information in this article, therefore it is not a stub. I am reverting back to the "non-stub" status, and request any debate occur here. - Sme3 ( talk) 13:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I suggest this discussion be moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation as this is project-specific vs. page-specific. It seems from Jimmy's response above, that he does not understand what a stub article is. We need a better template to link to Transportation in New York City, if we need a template at all for that. Acps110 ( talk) 18:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Vchohen, if you're listening, please redo MY edit. I forgot how I did it in the first place. It had at the top of the page, Where N & R is, please put back (1), and where the (1) south ferry part is, put the (1) back, that's all. 24.193.156.117 ( talk) 18:48, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
The two stations are part of the same station complex, and New York City Subway stations within the same complex are always described within the same article. Epicgenius ( talk) 01:01, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Can we really call a 200 year old wall prehistoric? 99.108.140.49 ( talk) 20:28, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved, thank christ. Definitely something that should be handled at a project level with a RfC. Jenks24 ( talk) 10:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
– Per WP:USSTATION. This convention has already been applied to the entire Washington Metro system, and I like how it removes many of the parentheses that simply aren't necessary. This is a requested move for all of the 1 train stations, and if successful, I will go ahead and change the remaining stations in the system as well. As for the duplicates (of which there are many in Manhattan -- 86th Street corresponds to three stations in Manhattan and two in Brooklyn), I've left the parentheses with line names inside them. I'm not sure if this is superior to, say, the name of the avenue in which the station is on (like Lexington Avenue, Central Park West, etc.), but I'm open to other suggestions. Let's see how this goes...I welcome your feedback, approval, disapproval, etc — c16sh ( speak up) 04:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
most people on the NYC subway say, "I'm going to Rector Street"and this is certainly a very valid comment. I am speaking from a distant vantage point of Sussex in the UK but I would imagine that people not on the NYC subway may say, "I'm going to Rector Street station" or "I'm getting on the subway/getting the train at Rector Street". I don't have strong views on this but, in a sea of opposition, I just wanted to provisionally present a clearly questionable but opposing view. Encyclopedic content can, IMO, be presented by both means and I think that the question needs to be what best meets readers needs. The titles clearly already achieve the minimum standard of disambiguation and I appreciate that this goes into other territory. Greg Kaye 08:55, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
The guideline seems to have been misused to push through page moves contrary to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, even though WP:USSTATION states that the usual disambiguation rules apply.I completely agree with you on that. In any case, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC needs to be really considered when moving pages in the name of WP:USSTATION. Since more than half of the articles listed still require a disambiguator after the page move—plus the new names are now longer, violating WP:CONCISE—moving the pages is useless in this case. There needs to be a very long discussion among the larger community before changing the name format of any New York City Subway articles. Epic Genius ( talk) 22:47, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Whitehall Station redirects here. That's a potential move target for Whitehall (Amtrak station). I didn't see any discussion of that name in the article itself. Is that usage common? Mackensen (talk) 16:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
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I am attempting to correct the dates on the opening of the South Ferry loops. The inner opened in 1905. The outer loop did not open until 1918.
I have only gotten to part of the article. I will do the rest when I get a chance (or someone else can do it).
Source: https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/IRT_West_Side_Line#South_Ferry
Note: nycsubway.org had been around since 1995. The original wiki article was actually copied from that site.
Allan (
talk) 20:06, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
The "outer loop" platform was the first built at this location. The outer loop was built for the Lexington Avenue Line, but when the West Side Line was opened in 1918, West Side trains took over the outer platform. The inner loop could serve only the Lexington Avenue Line, but it was opened only as a result of the West Side Line being extended down here. I believe the confusion stems from the fact that the inner Lexington Avenue platform and the West Side Line opened at the same time. Epicgenius ( talk) 23:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)