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This is page appears to have been submitted by an author trying to legitimize his own lexicon. Observe links to "EyeTap" and "glaw", and a smartmobs link talking about Steve Mann. I don't think that this term (although it sounds like it could be legit) has meaning to anyone other than the submission author. BIAS WARNING: I have worked with Steve Mann. Maneesh 08:53, 22 April 2004 (UTC)
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One thing I'm sure, is that sousveillance is not mainstream French. It must be some kind of word that some political/philosophical group is trying to push, using Wikipedia as a propaganda tool. David.Monniaux 16:26, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
to me an act of propaganda is merely a voice of advocacy. the truth is that to communicate, one needs to participate in a media enviroment littered with the remnants of prior advertising. With this, memory has become the subconscious battleground of personhood. (Ok, this is sounding flowery, but it is the way I think and unfortunate to the reader, overinfluenced by that nutty writter named tolstoy). With the introduction of surveillence cameras, the inherent need to watch and control is becoming pervasive and ubiquitous. Storage in digital data will necesitate improved odds on data searching, with the tendency to use all anthropometric data towards commerce. Such trends have to reconsile man's need for order outside the eternal trend towards conflict. How order is achieved is the searching to verify the prior social contracts. That which is natural needs to be described: to have systems overlooking our daily activities is becoming part of an external memory. we are a barcoded constallation of events and actions, monitored and counted by machine. How we function inside the mechanizations of our new recorded parralled selves is the language of this overheated and evaporating social contract. the higher order evolution of ethical conduct, which is formed in adolescence and contributes to the natural stimulation of the pre frontal and frontal cortex of the brain, is being replaced by these mechnizations, and as we become subject to a secure and reasoned surveillence for our own protection, we stop stimulating our frontal cortex and fundamentally change how we function neurologically. so by not countersurveillencing, and maintaining freedom of thought by control of our sensory input, we erode ethically and give up precious responsibity towards a dependent and hopeless acceptence of a digital fate that takes out the moral perogative of being. As Piaget demonstrated the crucial steps of achieving neurologic steps towards an reasoned adulthood, so now steve mann is documenting for future generations how one is to maintain ones architecture of one, that is separate, and can form independent judgements and insights, outside the surveillenced world. when we stop singing together, laughing together, experiencing family and friendship, a loniness exit from frontal lobe functioning is replaced with the eyecandy of the tv trance of surveillence. Societies that are like the extended family, or the small village are natural to being human, and as the class of 1786 at the ecole polytechnique would agree, it is with natural man that we should form future bodies of free persons. not the anonymous of city ants in a hill, but the natural flesh and soul of persons embodied in protective humanistic intelligence empowing devices. Sousavaillence is not self promotion, it is a treatise of human freedom that confronts Humanity's recurrent nightmare of escape from freedom. It is easy to realize Steve Mann's mathematical invention of the comparametric equations, which is also an invention that describes how cameras work: but how humans percieve in an increasingly surveillenced world is more difficult to describe touching upon social sciences, developmental psychology, neurology, economics, political science, and philosophy. The basis of Sousavaillence has been greatly influenced by Paul Virilio and Sartre: but more importantly, the life long cyborglog is the key to empiric data defining many phenomena described by Foucault. The use of the cyborglog has medical uses: in our research with the elderly, we are developing a system to document activity of daily living in the setting of neurodegenerative illness. All stages of life and state of brain function at each stage needs to be anticipated to complete a life long cyborglog. user:cyborgopoulos...aka stef pantagis 11:40, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
"Audio sousveillance is allowed in most states, and by Federal law, but audio surveillance is illegal in most states."
Is there any way this sentence, and others scattered throughout the article, might be sort of internationalized in order to adopt a more neutral perspective? Wally 23:56, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I didn't merge (text and history) these two articles, although i believe that is called for. Reversing the history merge would require great effort, and i am unwilling to assert that the issue is that clear. However, this method of preserving the separate histories is necessary for the recovery, after merging, of the changes made in a given edit, since the edits get interleaved in the history merge, and since the only method WP provides for determining the effect of an edit is comparison with the previous version. The following preserves the information of which version was the previous version. (The following will probably need supplementation with history edits done to each page between this writing and the merge, once the issue is clear enough to take the effectively irreversible step.)
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The Light of Other Days involves a world with a complete lack of privacy. The cameras are a little different, but it's basically the same idea. I can't figure out how to tie it into this (or a better related) article, though. - Omegatron 02:03, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)
I fail to see why this article is flags with a NPOV warning. Given the rapid changes in video camera technology and public surveillance, the term "sousveillance" certainly seems like a useful distinction.
If the problem is that this term has not entered the mainstream lexicon then edit the article to say so. Funkyj 20:29, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't think a neologism like "sousveillance" should be allowed to be used as an article title on a technological / sociological / social scientific subject.
I think the reference to the Situationists in the graphic is kind of spurious, although I can see the clear relevance of the material here to modern post Situationist theory.
Most of the content is interesting but it does violate NPOV to some extent in that it isn't sufficiently impartially grounded in it's relationship to the existing theories and practice of surveillance.
I wouldn't like to see it deleted, but a clearer distinction being made between what's subjective theory and what's objective social scientific fact. Wikipedia can't just be a place to post random theses!
I think this article needs heavy, heavy cleanup. (Embarassingly, I added a vote to "keep" earlier, before realizing that the vote was over above, now reverted.) The article is too biased and really needs help.
71.110.157.153 05:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
It also comes across as very difficult to read, The language used seems...odd, somehow. The article is written in a way that seemed rather confusing and overwhelming to me, as a reader with no prior knowledge in the area. I'm adding a "confusing" template to the page for the time being, though it has other problems, such as the length of the introduction (which probably contributes to the confusion by rambling instead of simply giving a short, succinct definition of the term), and context issues. Reveilled 23:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
This article seems to vacillate randomly between "inverse surveillance" and "sousveillance" very confusingly. *Are* they the same thing? If so, then just put one in brackets at the start, then use the other one consistently. If not, then make the distinctions clearer. Stevage 12:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Clinical sousveillance content has been forked from clinical surveillance and is up for deletion ( WP: PROD) under WP:NOR (were WP:FRINGE an actual policy this would be the reason). If you have anything to say about this, please say it there by June 1. Editing help with the clinical surveillance article is also welcome. Museumfreak 05:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree with wally in that the article needs a more international perspective. At the moment it's very centred on an american POV epspecially with relation to legal issues.
most obviously with this sentence, which also is irrelevent to the section it's in.
"In America, audio sousveillance is allowed in most states, and by U.S. Federal law."
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In my opinion there is also a clear distinction between 'inverse surveillance' and 'sousveillance'. At least in the way it is used in my local area. Inverse surveillance refers to the act of recording authority figures and people involved in surveillance as an activist tool or legal protection. Sousveillance is an act of community based recording from a first person POV with no specific agenda - well that's local usage anyway, may not be that correct from a wider perspective - my 2 groats anyway.
"or passengers to photograph taxicab drivers." The driver being a worker hired by the passenger, how is this sousveillance?
Interesting that previous commentators keep denouncing an "American" POV, when Steve Mann is a Canadian teaching/researching at the University of Toronto, a Canadian university. Bellagio99 03:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Canada is part of America. As is Venezuela, Chile and Cuba. So these are all American points of view. If you mean a US point of view you would state something different. Just as a Scottish point of view is British, but not English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.113.93.91 ( talk) 08:10, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
I've added some sentences to the article making this point. Bellagio99 03:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
As a random person who stumbled across this page I've done what I can to tidy it, but there are some glaring faults which I don't dare fix myself.
"Even today's personal sousveillance technologies like camera phones and weblogs tend to build a sense of community"
"Classy's Kitchen"
"Beyond the political or breaching of hierarchical structure explored in academia, the more rapidly emerging discourse on sousveillance within industry is "personal sousveillance", namely the recording of an activity by a participant in the activity. In this sense, the Rodney King video was captured serendipitously by a citizen participating in a civil society. There was no political motive (i.e. the officers who were beating King were not targeted), and the material was captured more serendipitously."
"As the technologies get smaller and easier to use, the capture, recording, and playback of everyday life gets that much easier. For example..."
"The "Sensecam" works this way, as does Gordon Bell's project at Microsoft"
"Microsoft is also exploring cyborglogs"
"to subvert the Panoptic gaze"
"Sousveillance activism as a form of inverse surveillance"
"However, this designated day focuses only on hierarchical sousveillance, whereas there are a number of groups around the world working on combining the two forms of sousveillance."
"There is a certain irony in the blind exploring the all seeing eye of the Panopticon."
"the Panoptic God"
Judging by the history most of this page is the work of two authors, so I hope you can take these comments on board as feedback from someone with an external perspective who can't read between the lines as you can. 81.39.195.238 ( talk) 00:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Surely inverse surveillance should redirect to Surveillance#Countersurveillance,_inverse_surveillance,_sousveillance and not to here? Sousveillance, as noted in the article's paragraph six, is a type of inverse surveillance, and it not inverse surveillance itself (think as if tiger redirected to bengal tiger). Anyone mind if I change the current target away from this article? Sousveillance is linked in the main Surveillance article anyway. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU! 15:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
The section "Personal sousveillance" feel very POV to me, to the point of Advocacy. The second paragraph in particular reads like a direct quote. Who is the "we" be referred to? And while "we" are at it, it looks to me like the person that wrote that section was trying to quote a scholarly, or semi-scholarly article. Cite Please? Overall, look like someone trying to inflate the importance of their own observations of life. I'm not saying it isn't notable, but it is not detached enough. -- Wolfram.Tungsten ( talk) 23:16, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
It seems like there should be something in here about police and judges using wiretap laws to charge people who make video of them performing their public duties. It's becoming more common to hear in the news, does that make it notable? -- W0lfie ( talk) 16:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
I just ran across another article documenting the usual response to sousveillance. [5] It would be good to collect some of these and start a paragraph about it. Wnt ( talk) 01:37, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Ian Tomlinson - non-participant passing through a protest stand-off - who died following a violent intervention by a specialist police officer. Criminal case against the officer concluded 'not guilty of manslaughter' a few days ago, on grounds of his intentions. Future civil action is likely.
Motorist fined over filmed cyclist abuse
Van driver throws juice bottle at cyclist for “not paying road tax”
Not sure how to wedge these in ... are they sufficiently notable ? Last is just a blog, but "driver was cautioned for assault and charged with driving without due consideration: he received five points on his licence and had to pay a fine" so it should be a matter of public record somewhere.
-- 195.137.93.171 ( talk) 08:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Boodlepounce has boldly removed this section. There are no citations and the common theme appears to Boodlepounce to be privacy or lack thereof rather than sousveillance. In particular, Boodlepounce has read 1984 and We and does not remember anything remotely resembling sousveillance in them. Boodlepounce points out that without a reliable source stating that sousveillance is a theme in these works, any such list must inevitably constitute /wp;/or\original research by way of synthesis. Boodlepounce ( talk) 12:06, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
I've removed a picture of questionable relevance and low quality being used to illustrate the article. As there are already high-quality photographs in the article, having a poorly drawn sketch seems unnecessary. Per WP:BURDEN, anyone who wishes to see the picture in the article should establish consensus to do so. -- Jayron 32 18:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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I think today's sousveillance is improved by the rise in video and streaming platforms like Youtube, Periscope or Twitch. However, the perfect scenario would be to have perfectly neutral platforms with adapted algorithms and no censorships, and this is not the case. For Youtube for example, we know that censorship can be quite random, and who knows if Google have interest not to suggest videos that could be harmful to the government or any existing autority ?
Plus, on a more general scale, sousveillance implies filming our everyday life, and if this data is gathered by internet giants, this could be ultimately be profitable to them, and to governments they treat wwith, insofar it helps them predict and adapt to human behavior. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HenriLE PAGE TPT ( talk • contribs) 19:01, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
This is a terrible article. It suggests the existence of some phenomenon that is not surveillance or is opposed to surveillance. An furthermore it suggests that this phenomenon is a dog whistle in a political sense. In other words, it is a demand to see surveillance in strictly moral terms, it is the "surveillance is evil" of Wikipedia pages. The suggestion is that surveillance is so evil that a new word must be created to show everyone how evil surveillance is. We are supposed to think that sousveillance does not have the moral baggage of surveillance. So this article is pure propaganda. The word "power" appears in the article.
This is more junk that escaped from an art school. It is more of the rhetoric of Call It Sleep https://archive.org/details/call_it_sleep_situ. It is a rhetorical exercise. This is not a subject for a Wikipedia article. Give these art students an inch and they'll take a mile.
I demand this article be deleted immediately. It is filth. 50.202.216.18 ( talk) 15:59, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
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I removed the drawing. [and the rest is removed. Drmies ( talk) 14:59, 27 August 2019 (UTC)] 50.202.216.18 ( talk) 16:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC) |
While the image offered as a replacement for the child's drawing has smoother lines and could be said to be a more polished presentation, those are not necessarily advantages in such a context. The raw quality of the simpler drawing goes directly to the core of what it is meant to convey. It also reads well as a small thumbnail, while the more sophisticated image needs some enlargement before the small figure's camera can be easily seen as a camera.
Awnings and other architectural features in the background may be intended to serve as scene-setting, or they may be distracting extraneous detail, called "non-data ink" or chartjunk in the coinage of Edward Tufte.
Regarding issues of licensing and intellectual property, I don't see anything resembling clear consensus at that village pump discussion. I see a couple of editors saying things along the lines of "perhaps caution is advisable" and "maybe we should ask some cogizant specialists."
Maybe some interested party should ask the kid what she thinks about it. Even as a minor, legalistic casuistry aside, she is the one with standing to allow or deny the use of her picture. Just plain Bill ( talk) 10:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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This is page appears to have been submitted by an author trying to legitimize his own lexicon. Observe links to "EyeTap" and "glaw", and a smartmobs link talking about Steve Mann. I don't think that this term (although it sounds like it could be legit) has meaning to anyone other than the submission author. BIAS WARNING: I have worked with Steve Mann. Maneesh 08:53, 22 April 2004 (UTC)
End discussion
One thing I'm sure, is that sousveillance is not mainstream French. It must be some kind of word that some political/philosophical group is trying to push, using Wikipedia as a propaganda tool. David.Monniaux 16:26, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
to me an act of propaganda is merely a voice of advocacy. the truth is that to communicate, one needs to participate in a media enviroment littered with the remnants of prior advertising. With this, memory has become the subconscious battleground of personhood. (Ok, this is sounding flowery, but it is the way I think and unfortunate to the reader, overinfluenced by that nutty writter named tolstoy). With the introduction of surveillence cameras, the inherent need to watch and control is becoming pervasive and ubiquitous. Storage in digital data will necesitate improved odds on data searching, with the tendency to use all anthropometric data towards commerce. Such trends have to reconsile man's need for order outside the eternal trend towards conflict. How order is achieved is the searching to verify the prior social contracts. That which is natural needs to be described: to have systems overlooking our daily activities is becoming part of an external memory. we are a barcoded constallation of events and actions, monitored and counted by machine. How we function inside the mechanizations of our new recorded parralled selves is the language of this overheated and evaporating social contract. the higher order evolution of ethical conduct, which is formed in adolescence and contributes to the natural stimulation of the pre frontal and frontal cortex of the brain, is being replaced by these mechnizations, and as we become subject to a secure and reasoned surveillence for our own protection, we stop stimulating our frontal cortex and fundamentally change how we function neurologically. so by not countersurveillencing, and maintaining freedom of thought by control of our sensory input, we erode ethically and give up precious responsibity towards a dependent and hopeless acceptence of a digital fate that takes out the moral perogative of being. As Piaget demonstrated the crucial steps of achieving neurologic steps towards an reasoned adulthood, so now steve mann is documenting for future generations how one is to maintain ones architecture of one, that is separate, and can form independent judgements and insights, outside the surveillenced world. when we stop singing together, laughing together, experiencing family and friendship, a loniness exit from frontal lobe functioning is replaced with the eyecandy of the tv trance of surveillence. Societies that are like the extended family, or the small village are natural to being human, and as the class of 1786 at the ecole polytechnique would agree, it is with natural man that we should form future bodies of free persons. not the anonymous of city ants in a hill, but the natural flesh and soul of persons embodied in protective humanistic intelligence empowing devices. Sousavaillence is not self promotion, it is a treatise of human freedom that confronts Humanity's recurrent nightmare of escape from freedom. It is easy to realize Steve Mann's mathematical invention of the comparametric equations, which is also an invention that describes how cameras work: but how humans percieve in an increasingly surveillenced world is more difficult to describe touching upon social sciences, developmental psychology, neurology, economics, political science, and philosophy. The basis of Sousavaillence has been greatly influenced by Paul Virilio and Sartre: but more importantly, the life long cyborglog is the key to empiric data defining many phenomena described by Foucault. The use of the cyborglog has medical uses: in our research with the elderly, we are developing a system to document activity of daily living in the setting of neurodegenerative illness. All stages of life and state of brain function at each stage needs to be anticipated to complete a life long cyborglog. user:cyborgopoulos...aka stef pantagis 11:40, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
"Audio sousveillance is allowed in most states, and by Federal law, but audio surveillance is illegal in most states."
Is there any way this sentence, and others scattered throughout the article, might be sort of internationalized in order to adopt a more neutral perspective? Wally 23:56, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I didn't merge (text and history) these two articles, although i believe that is called for. Reversing the history merge would require great effort, and i am unwilling to assert that the issue is that clear. However, this method of preserving the separate histories is necessary for the recovery, after merging, of the changes made in a given edit, since the edits get interleaved in the history merge, and since the only method WP provides for determining the effect of an edit is comparison with the previous version. The following preserves the information of which version was the previous version. (The following will probably need supplementation with history edits done to each page between this writing and the merge, once the issue is clear enough to take the effectively irreversible step.)
--
Jerzy
(t) 07:20, 2004 Oct 6 (UTC)
The Light of Other Days involves a world with a complete lack of privacy. The cameras are a little different, but it's basically the same idea. I can't figure out how to tie it into this (or a better related) article, though. - Omegatron 02:03, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)
I fail to see why this article is flags with a NPOV warning. Given the rapid changes in video camera technology and public surveillance, the term "sousveillance" certainly seems like a useful distinction.
If the problem is that this term has not entered the mainstream lexicon then edit the article to say so. Funkyj 20:29, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't think a neologism like "sousveillance" should be allowed to be used as an article title on a technological / sociological / social scientific subject.
I think the reference to the Situationists in the graphic is kind of spurious, although I can see the clear relevance of the material here to modern post Situationist theory.
Most of the content is interesting but it does violate NPOV to some extent in that it isn't sufficiently impartially grounded in it's relationship to the existing theories and practice of surveillance.
I wouldn't like to see it deleted, but a clearer distinction being made between what's subjective theory and what's objective social scientific fact. Wikipedia can't just be a place to post random theses!
I think this article needs heavy, heavy cleanup. (Embarassingly, I added a vote to "keep" earlier, before realizing that the vote was over above, now reverted.) The article is too biased and really needs help.
71.110.157.153 05:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
It also comes across as very difficult to read, The language used seems...odd, somehow. The article is written in a way that seemed rather confusing and overwhelming to me, as a reader with no prior knowledge in the area. I'm adding a "confusing" template to the page for the time being, though it has other problems, such as the length of the introduction (which probably contributes to the confusion by rambling instead of simply giving a short, succinct definition of the term), and context issues. Reveilled 23:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
This article seems to vacillate randomly between "inverse surveillance" and "sousveillance" very confusingly. *Are* they the same thing? If so, then just put one in brackets at the start, then use the other one consistently. If not, then make the distinctions clearer. Stevage 12:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Clinical sousveillance content has been forked from clinical surveillance and is up for deletion ( WP: PROD) under WP:NOR (were WP:FRINGE an actual policy this would be the reason). If you have anything to say about this, please say it there by June 1. Editing help with the clinical surveillance article is also welcome. Museumfreak 05:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree with wally in that the article needs a more international perspective. At the moment it's very centred on an american POV epspecially with relation to legal issues.
most obviously with this sentence, which also is irrelevent to the section it's in.
"In America, audio sousveillance is allowed in most states, and by U.S. Federal law."
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In my opinion there is also a clear distinction between 'inverse surveillance' and 'sousveillance'. At least in the way it is used in my local area. Inverse surveillance refers to the act of recording authority figures and people involved in surveillance as an activist tool or legal protection. Sousveillance is an act of community based recording from a first person POV with no specific agenda - well that's local usage anyway, may not be that correct from a wider perspective - my 2 groats anyway.
"or passengers to photograph taxicab drivers." The driver being a worker hired by the passenger, how is this sousveillance?
Interesting that previous commentators keep denouncing an "American" POV, when Steve Mann is a Canadian teaching/researching at the University of Toronto, a Canadian university. Bellagio99 03:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Canada is part of America. As is Venezuela, Chile and Cuba. So these are all American points of view. If you mean a US point of view you would state something different. Just as a Scottish point of view is British, but not English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.113.93.91 ( talk) 08:10, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
I've added some sentences to the article making this point. Bellagio99 03:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
As a random person who stumbled across this page I've done what I can to tidy it, but there are some glaring faults which I don't dare fix myself.
"Even today's personal sousveillance technologies like camera phones and weblogs tend to build a sense of community"
"Classy's Kitchen"
"Beyond the political or breaching of hierarchical structure explored in academia, the more rapidly emerging discourse on sousveillance within industry is "personal sousveillance", namely the recording of an activity by a participant in the activity. In this sense, the Rodney King video was captured serendipitously by a citizen participating in a civil society. There was no political motive (i.e. the officers who were beating King were not targeted), and the material was captured more serendipitously."
"As the technologies get smaller and easier to use, the capture, recording, and playback of everyday life gets that much easier. For example..."
"The "Sensecam" works this way, as does Gordon Bell's project at Microsoft"
"Microsoft is also exploring cyborglogs"
"to subvert the Panoptic gaze"
"Sousveillance activism as a form of inverse surveillance"
"However, this designated day focuses only on hierarchical sousveillance, whereas there are a number of groups around the world working on combining the two forms of sousveillance."
"There is a certain irony in the blind exploring the all seeing eye of the Panopticon."
"the Panoptic God"
Judging by the history most of this page is the work of two authors, so I hope you can take these comments on board as feedback from someone with an external perspective who can't read between the lines as you can. 81.39.195.238 ( talk) 00:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Surely inverse surveillance should redirect to Surveillance#Countersurveillance,_inverse_surveillance,_sousveillance and not to here? Sousveillance, as noted in the article's paragraph six, is a type of inverse surveillance, and it not inverse surveillance itself (think as if tiger redirected to bengal tiger). Anyone mind if I change the current target away from this article? Sousveillance is linked in the main Surveillance article anyway. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU! 15:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
The section "Personal sousveillance" feel very POV to me, to the point of Advocacy. The second paragraph in particular reads like a direct quote. Who is the "we" be referred to? And while "we" are at it, it looks to me like the person that wrote that section was trying to quote a scholarly, or semi-scholarly article. Cite Please? Overall, look like someone trying to inflate the importance of their own observations of life. I'm not saying it isn't notable, but it is not detached enough. -- Wolfram.Tungsten ( talk) 23:16, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
It seems like there should be something in here about police and judges using wiretap laws to charge people who make video of them performing their public duties. It's becoming more common to hear in the news, does that make it notable? -- W0lfie ( talk) 16:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
I just ran across another article documenting the usual response to sousveillance. [5] It would be good to collect some of these and start a paragraph about it. Wnt ( talk) 01:37, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Ian Tomlinson - non-participant passing through a protest stand-off - who died following a violent intervention by a specialist police officer. Criminal case against the officer concluded 'not guilty of manslaughter' a few days ago, on grounds of his intentions. Future civil action is likely.
Motorist fined over filmed cyclist abuse
Van driver throws juice bottle at cyclist for “not paying road tax”
Not sure how to wedge these in ... are they sufficiently notable ? Last is just a blog, but "driver was cautioned for assault and charged with driving without due consideration: he received five points on his licence and had to pay a fine" so it should be a matter of public record somewhere.
-- 195.137.93.171 ( talk) 08:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Boodlepounce has boldly removed this section. There are no citations and the common theme appears to Boodlepounce to be privacy or lack thereof rather than sousveillance. In particular, Boodlepounce has read 1984 and We and does not remember anything remotely resembling sousveillance in them. Boodlepounce points out that without a reliable source stating that sousveillance is a theme in these works, any such list must inevitably constitute /wp;/or\original research by way of synthesis. Boodlepounce ( talk) 12:06, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
I've removed a picture of questionable relevance and low quality being used to illustrate the article. As there are already high-quality photographs in the article, having a poorly drawn sketch seems unnecessary. Per WP:BURDEN, anyone who wishes to see the picture in the article should establish consensus to do so. -- Jayron 32 18:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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The current picture, located at File:SurSousveillanceStephanieMannAge6.jpg, is of low quality and of little actual value in adding meaning to the article; especially as there are already in existence, and being used, photographs that capture the same concept. Requesting outside comment from anyone who has never edited this article before regarding the suitability of the picture for the article. Please comment to remove or keep the if the picture. Thank you. -- Jayron 32 23:40, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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No one who didn't stumble on Wikipedia's article or link thereto knows what "sousveillance" means, and I had never heard of it before. Wikipedia is known to have a weakness of this editorializing of particular language. The problem isn't that the word does not make sense. The word is fine, but it's a construction that isn't a part of any language.
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Otherwise, you're just cloaking this article behind a made up word no one knows to type, in this pointless Wikipedia sponsored effort to reform language. 76.105.131.18 ( talk) 04:41, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
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I think today's sousveillance is improved by the rise in video and streaming platforms like Youtube, Periscope or Twitch. However, the perfect scenario would be to have perfectly neutral platforms with adapted algorithms and no censorships, and this is not the case. For Youtube for example, we know that censorship can be quite random, and who knows if Google have interest not to suggest videos that could be harmful to the government or any existing autority ?
Plus, on a more general scale, sousveillance implies filming our everyday life, and if this data is gathered by internet giants, this could be ultimately be profitable to them, and to governments they treat wwith, insofar it helps them predict and adapt to human behavior. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HenriLE PAGE TPT ( talk • contribs) 19:01, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
This is a terrible article. It suggests the existence of some phenomenon that is not surveillance or is opposed to surveillance. An furthermore it suggests that this phenomenon is a dog whistle in a political sense. In other words, it is a demand to see surveillance in strictly moral terms, it is the "surveillance is evil" of Wikipedia pages. The suggestion is that surveillance is so evil that a new word must be created to show everyone how evil surveillance is. We are supposed to think that sousveillance does not have the moral baggage of surveillance. So this article is pure propaganda. The word "power" appears in the article.
This is more junk that escaped from an art school. It is more of the rhetoric of Call It Sleep https://archive.org/details/call_it_sleep_situ. It is a rhetorical exercise. This is not a subject for a Wikipedia article. Give these art students an inch and they'll take a mile.
I demand this article be deleted immediately. It is filth. 50.202.216.18 ( talk) 15:59, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
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I removed the drawing. [and the rest is removed. Drmies ( talk) 14:59, 27 August 2019 (UTC)] 50.202.216.18 ( talk) 16:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC) |
While the image offered as a replacement for the child's drawing has smoother lines and could be said to be a more polished presentation, those are not necessarily advantages in such a context. The raw quality of the simpler drawing goes directly to the core of what it is meant to convey. It also reads well as a small thumbnail, while the more sophisticated image needs some enlargement before the small figure's camera can be easily seen as a camera.
Awnings and other architectural features in the background may be intended to serve as scene-setting, or they may be distracting extraneous detail, called "non-data ink" or chartjunk in the coinage of Edward Tufte.
Regarding issues of licensing and intellectual property, I don't see anything resembling clear consensus at that village pump discussion. I see a couple of editors saying things along the lines of "perhaps caution is advisable" and "maybe we should ask some cogizant specialists."
Maybe some interested party should ask the kid what she thinks about it. Even as a minor, legalistic casuistry aside, she is the one with standing to allow or deny the use of her picture. Just plain Bill ( talk) 10:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)