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Article says 1979, imdb.com says 1977. Please someone fix it Pictureuploader 17:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
There's been some odd stuff about nationality in this article. Someone (anon IP) recently changed the info box to say she was Scottish - although she has quite varied ancestry I can't see anything that indicates any Scots roots. Overall it seems more appropriate to describe her nationality as British. Given the variety of ethnic or national roots to which she can lay claim, the term British seems better because it embraces the diverse ethnic mix of the UK. Also British is a formal nationality whereas "English" isn't (eg. there's no such thing as an English passport). Circusandmagicfan ( talk) 08:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan
I can't believe this page has been marked as maybe not notable- she's very famous in the UK, I would say she's a household name, and she has receieved a lot of media attention for her books, her modelling work (especially the opium campaign) as well as aspects of her personal life such as her weight loss and relationship with Jamie Callum. 79.69.97.45 ( talk) 21:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
British is a nationality, not an ethnicity - a British person could be of any ethnicity. Sophie Dahl's ethnicity would be white / caucasian or some other such descriptor. Petecollier ( talk) 09:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
It's peculiar that the article lauds Sophie Dahl's two "notable grandfathers," but nowhere does the author mention her very notable grandmother, the Oscar-winning actress Patricia Neal. This lack is especially egregious given that a good part of Sophie Dahl's fame is based on her appearance (she modeled for years), and she strikingly resembles her grandmother. According to Patricia Neal's autobiography, *As I Am*, there was some degree of estrangement between herself and her daughter Tessa, Sophie's mother. It would be sad, but interesting to know (with citations, please!), if estrangements still plague this family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Younggoldchip ( talk • contribs) 21:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
To mention Dahl and all of the work she has done with magazines, designers, and campaigns, I was extremely appalled that nothing was mentioned that when she first started out modeling, she would have been considered plus size. She wasn't just curvy, the girl was pretty heavy and extremely so if you stood her next to a model like Shalom Harlow, or even Cindy Crawford. Her success as a girl who wasn't a size 0-2 was glaringly left out so I put that into the article. She was a plus size model that got magazine covers, campaigns, and editorial spreads normally reserved for models who are the norm. If you need proof, all one really needs to do is google her photos and you can see that before she was rail thin like she is now, the woman was heavyset. It just disrespects the work she has done as a model and for women of size to omit such obvious and important facts. I have inserted them where I hope they will remain.-CR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.125.85.83 ( talk) 01:05, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Why no infobox? Kindzmarauli ( talk) 14:40, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Because it adds little value and we don't need a bloated list of relatives and little else.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:31, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
( edit conflict):In this instance, an infobox adds no significant information that is not already included in the lead. SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:38, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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Born | Sophie Holloway 15 September 1977 London, UK |
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I swear Gerda has an "eye" cast over all wikipedia articles like Sauron over Middle Earth in Lords of the Rings which knows every single article on wikipedia with an infobox dispute ;-) Took just three minutes!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:18, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I just want to open up this conversation again. It's been a few years since this was discussed, but think an infobox would be appropriate. I have an image with image rights to use and there's plenty of useful information that could sit within an info box and be useful to people looking for information about Sophie, such as family, nationality, profession, birthdate, spouse and bibliography. There are several instances of other authors with significantly less info to share that have infoboxes I could cite. It would be great to pick this talk back up and agree consensus for an infobox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plestan ( talk • contribs) 21:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
perhaps you'll be able to present some new arguments in favor of adding an infobox that will convince others that it should be done". Do you have any new arguments to convince people about the possible addition? - SchroCat ( talk) 07:22, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article."I am not seeing any new points as to why the consensus should be overturned. Could you also answer my point about the image you have: have you uploaded this onto Commons yet? - SchroCat ( talk) 08:14, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article.", which is why I've brought this up in the talk as a discussion and I have done this with consideration of previous arguments and have worked to address these. Plestan ( talk) 08:35, 02 July 2019 (UTC)
the best solution when facing a disinfobox is to try and save it by either correcting false information, removing all subjective fields, or adding useful information."...with this in mind, I'm simply suggesting to add useful information versus what was originally proposed. Plestan ( talk) 09:25, 02 July 2019 (UTC)
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I was a little confused by the subject of this article being Sophie Dahl ( née Holloway) - is there any citable explanation as to how and when she come to use Dahl - given that the connection to that is through her mother Tessa Dahl, who separated (they were not married according to https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/donotmigrate/3589119/A-fairytale-life.html) from Sophie's father Julian Holloway shortly after Sophie's birth it is perhaps not so surprising but that is not explained in this article. SlySven ( talk) 04:49, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
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Article says 1979, imdb.com says 1977. Please someone fix it Pictureuploader 17:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
There's been some odd stuff about nationality in this article. Someone (anon IP) recently changed the info box to say she was Scottish - although she has quite varied ancestry I can't see anything that indicates any Scots roots. Overall it seems more appropriate to describe her nationality as British. Given the variety of ethnic or national roots to which she can lay claim, the term British seems better because it embraces the diverse ethnic mix of the UK. Also British is a formal nationality whereas "English" isn't (eg. there's no such thing as an English passport). Circusandmagicfan ( talk) 08:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan
I can't believe this page has been marked as maybe not notable- she's very famous in the UK, I would say she's a household name, and she has receieved a lot of media attention for her books, her modelling work (especially the opium campaign) as well as aspects of her personal life such as her weight loss and relationship with Jamie Callum. 79.69.97.45 ( talk) 21:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
British is a nationality, not an ethnicity - a British person could be of any ethnicity. Sophie Dahl's ethnicity would be white / caucasian or some other such descriptor. Petecollier ( talk) 09:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
It's peculiar that the article lauds Sophie Dahl's two "notable grandfathers," but nowhere does the author mention her very notable grandmother, the Oscar-winning actress Patricia Neal. This lack is especially egregious given that a good part of Sophie Dahl's fame is based on her appearance (she modeled for years), and she strikingly resembles her grandmother. According to Patricia Neal's autobiography, *As I Am*, there was some degree of estrangement between herself and her daughter Tessa, Sophie's mother. It would be sad, but interesting to know (with citations, please!), if estrangements still plague this family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Younggoldchip ( talk • contribs) 21:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
To mention Dahl and all of the work she has done with magazines, designers, and campaigns, I was extremely appalled that nothing was mentioned that when she first started out modeling, she would have been considered plus size. She wasn't just curvy, the girl was pretty heavy and extremely so if you stood her next to a model like Shalom Harlow, or even Cindy Crawford. Her success as a girl who wasn't a size 0-2 was glaringly left out so I put that into the article. She was a plus size model that got magazine covers, campaigns, and editorial spreads normally reserved for models who are the norm. If you need proof, all one really needs to do is google her photos and you can see that before she was rail thin like she is now, the woman was heavyset. It just disrespects the work she has done as a model and for women of size to omit such obvious and important facts. I have inserted them where I hope they will remain.-CR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.125.85.83 ( talk) 01:05, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Why no infobox? Kindzmarauli ( talk) 14:40, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Because it adds little value and we don't need a bloated list of relatives and little else.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:31, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
( edit conflict):In this instance, an infobox adds no significant information that is not already included in the lead. SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:38, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Sophie Dahl | |
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Born | Sophie Holloway 15 September 1977 London, UK |
Occupations |
|
Website |
www |
I swear Gerda has an "eye" cast over all wikipedia articles like Sauron over Middle Earth in Lords of the Rings which knows every single article on wikipedia with an infobox dispute ;-) Took just three minutes!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:18, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I just want to open up this conversation again. It's been a few years since this was discussed, but think an infobox would be appropriate. I have an image with image rights to use and there's plenty of useful information that could sit within an info box and be useful to people looking for information about Sophie, such as family, nationality, profession, birthdate, spouse and bibliography. There are several instances of other authors with significantly less info to share that have infoboxes I could cite. It would be great to pick this talk back up and agree consensus for an infobox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plestan ( talk • contribs) 21:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
perhaps you'll be able to present some new arguments in favor of adding an infobox that will convince others that it should be done". Do you have any new arguments to convince people about the possible addition? - SchroCat ( talk) 07:22, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article."I am not seeing any new points as to why the consensus should be overturned. Could you also answer my point about the image you have: have you uploaded this onto Commons yet? - SchroCat ( talk) 08:14, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article.", which is why I've brought this up in the talk as a discussion and I have done this with consideration of previous arguments and have worked to address these. Plestan ( talk) 08:35, 02 July 2019 (UTC)
the best solution when facing a disinfobox is to try and save it by either correcting false information, removing all subjective fields, or adding useful information."...with this in mind, I'm simply suggesting to add useful information versus what was originally proposed. Plestan ( talk) 09:25, 02 July 2019 (UTC)
References
I was a little confused by the subject of this article being Sophie Dahl ( née Holloway) - is there any citable explanation as to how and when she come to use Dahl - given that the connection to that is through her mother Tessa Dahl, who separated (they were not married according to https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/donotmigrate/3589119/A-fairytale-life.html) from Sophie's father Julian Holloway shortly after Sophie's birth it is perhaps not so surprising but that is not explained in this article. SlySven ( talk) 04:49, 7 February 2021 (UTC)