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I reverted Johnson a change by User:Davefl79 in which he changed the phrase, "later became a lesbian" to "later came out as a lesbian." The phrase "came out" implies that she was a closeted lesbian all along who "came out of the closet." This is certainly the experience of many lesbians, but in Sonia Johnson's case, she was an active heterosexual for decades. Her writings and public statements prior to becoming lesbian made it clear that she self-identified as heterosexual and felt attracted to men. I happened to know Sonia during this period, and in our personal conversations she was rather emphatic about saying that she saw nothing wrong with lesbianism but didn't happen to feel attracted to women. Obviously, that changed, but it doesn't mean that she was a lesbian from birth, so this article shouldn't impose that interpretation on the facts. -- Sheldon Rampton 18:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed links to "universities" and the "English language" as they seemed a little excessive. There are some serious problems with the paragraph dealing with Sonia's divorce, particularly with the unsourced statements allegedly coming from her ex-husband's home teacher. I am also troubled by the changes Sheldon refers to--in my experience, people do not start out heterosexual and become homosexual--but I'm not in a position to back that up. There probably ought to be a parenthetical note, end-note, or reference on that sentence. I'm not an expert editor and I don't know how best to address these problems.
Naptastic 04:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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Hi! I’m a big fan of Sonia Johnson’s radical politics which is why I added more info about them. Also cleaned up ex-communication section to be more in tune with references. Added couple references including my own review of a couple of her books. I notice people call her “Sonia” a lot instead of by her last name “Johnson” which I largely stuck to, though not sure if doing so itself is form of patriarchal condescension. :-) Also, given that it is unsourced and potentially libelous, I separately took out the alleged details of her divorce.
I've removed the Category:LGBT United States presidential candidates because that cat seems to be for people who *are* lgbt *and* running for Pres. If I read this article correctly, Johnson came out *after* the race was over. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 04:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I removed this material writing "info not relevant." Now it has been reverted.
If it is relevant, please explain. However, if it is merely that the Citizens Party legally merged into the Socialist Party - or even if most of its members drifted over there - that's not relevant unless Sonia Johnson was involved in the merge and there is some WP:RS info in the article about it. Otherwise it is really spam for that party and doesn't belong. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 04:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
"Associated" is vague. Are this person's recollections published someplace that can be cited, or is this original research?
Which press? How many reporters? Is the claim about not being taken seriously a subjective interpretation?
Which media? "Support" suggests a political endorsement; perhaps this should be "coverage".
"Seemed" to whom? Where's the article, and why call it "dishonest" instead of "incorrect"? What's the source for her number of supporters, and what makes that number "large"?
This is an opinion. If it's one she expressed, what's the source?
-- Mr2001 ( talk) 19:55, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Her husband's decision to divorce her is attributed to a "mid-life crisis" on his part. Finding out that he was married to a lesbian had nothing to do with it, I suppose. John Paul Parks ( talk) 03:40, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
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I reverted Johnson a change by User:Davefl79 in which he changed the phrase, "later became a lesbian" to "later came out as a lesbian." The phrase "came out" implies that she was a closeted lesbian all along who "came out of the closet." This is certainly the experience of many lesbians, but in Sonia Johnson's case, she was an active heterosexual for decades. Her writings and public statements prior to becoming lesbian made it clear that she self-identified as heterosexual and felt attracted to men. I happened to know Sonia during this period, and in our personal conversations she was rather emphatic about saying that she saw nothing wrong with lesbianism but didn't happen to feel attracted to women. Obviously, that changed, but it doesn't mean that she was a lesbian from birth, so this article shouldn't impose that interpretation on the facts. -- Sheldon Rampton 18:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed links to "universities" and the "English language" as they seemed a little excessive. There are some serious problems with the paragraph dealing with Sonia's divorce, particularly with the unsourced statements allegedly coming from her ex-husband's home teacher. I am also troubled by the changes Sheldon refers to--in my experience, people do not start out heterosexual and become homosexual--but I'm not in a position to back that up. There probably ought to be a parenthetical note, end-note, or reference on that sentence. I'm not an expert editor and I don't know how best to address these problems.
Naptastic 04:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
References
Hi! I’m a big fan of Sonia Johnson’s radical politics which is why I added more info about them. Also cleaned up ex-communication section to be more in tune with references. Added couple references including my own review of a couple of her books. I notice people call her “Sonia” a lot instead of by her last name “Johnson” which I largely stuck to, though not sure if doing so itself is form of patriarchal condescension. :-) Also, given that it is unsourced and potentially libelous, I separately took out the alleged details of her divorce.
I've removed the Category:LGBT United States presidential candidates because that cat seems to be for people who *are* lgbt *and* running for Pres. If I read this article correctly, Johnson came out *after* the race was over. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 04:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I removed this material writing "info not relevant." Now it has been reverted.
If it is relevant, please explain. However, if it is merely that the Citizens Party legally merged into the Socialist Party - or even if most of its members drifted over there - that's not relevant unless Sonia Johnson was involved in the merge and there is some WP:RS info in the article about it. Otherwise it is really spam for that party and doesn't belong. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 04:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
"Associated" is vague. Are this person's recollections published someplace that can be cited, or is this original research?
Which press? How many reporters? Is the claim about not being taken seriously a subjective interpretation?
Which media? "Support" suggests a political endorsement; perhaps this should be "coverage".
"Seemed" to whom? Where's the article, and why call it "dishonest" instead of "incorrect"? What's the source for her number of supporters, and what makes that number "large"?
This is an opinion. If it's one she expressed, what's the source?
-- Mr2001 ( talk) 19:55, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Her husband's decision to divorce her is attributed to a "mid-life crisis" on his part. Finding out that he was married to a lesbian had nothing to do with it, I suppose. John Paul Parks ( talk) 03:40, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
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