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There has got to be someone out there who thinks something else about this car... How about some ROI figures to justify this "smart" buy? 75.200.169.225 ( talk) 02:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I Do. Somebody please write a criticism section. In-Correct ( talk) 05:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, buying half a car for a full price, how smart is that ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.83.215.81 ( talk) 07:50, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
An 1800 lb. microcar? Really? Original VW's and even Geo Metro's were 1500 lbs. and I never heard them called microcars. The smart is short, but it is also tall. But all these new small cars are big when compared with small cars from the 70's and earlier. Plus the gas mileage isn't what you would expect in a microcar. The new Mini's and Fiat's have little in common with the originals other than general shape and appearance. All these would be subcompact, or even compact when comparing weight and hp with cars from the 70's. Flight Risk ( talk) 21:18, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
This article is duplicated at Smart Fortwo ... these pages should be merged...
Much of the information in this article is outdated or completely wrong.
-- -FoxMajik 19:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I took out a lot of the stuff about Zap moters because it sounded like a corporate shill. For other people's reference, Zap says on their web site that they have "forged an exclusive technology licensing agreement with Smart-Automobile LLC allowing the certification of the Smart Car". Smart-Automobile LLC is _not_ affiliated with Daimler-Chrysler. Zap is not the only importer and may not even have been the first. I also took out the part about "[the smart-car is not sold in the US] owing to a fear of possible market positioning confusion, Mercedes-Benz wishing to maintain an aura of high priced luxury that enables it to keep profit margins high. That aura is also used to cancel its B-Class program for the American market in light of escalating fuel prices." because it strikes me as unlikely and as conjecture. If someone has a citation they can put it back in. Jerdwyer 04:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Another reference I cannot currently find, but the "market confusion" issue is precisely why Mercedes-Benz (or Daimler AG, that produces the smart line) has no connection to the smar range in the US - rather they are sold via smartUSA, part of the Penske Automotive Group. The "Rest Of The Known World Other Than The US" Mercedes supports the smart range.
Fernblatt ( talk) 02:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't like the way this page is titled. I originally called it "Smart (automobile)".
The company calls itself "smart" (lowercase), but I tend to favour capitalization of all trademarks despite brand managers often wanting everyone to mimic the typography logos.
The thing "Smart" is a car, not a company. At least, this is the most sensible way of adding (type) information. If we use (company), then just about every manufactured product - guns, planes, etc. - get lumped in to being a (company) - not useful. The page does not define an individual vehicle of course, but the word "automobile" is quite acceptable to describe an automobile type as well as an actual vehicle. It's fine to describe the company history in an (automobile) page of course.
Perhaps (car) would be better still, although I've started to use (automobile) elsewhere - for Bristol etc. -- Hotlorp
(car) is better than (automobile). (automobile) is North American usage whereas (car) is used globally. Apart from a global word being better anyway, as a European product, I think the style guide suggests (car) over (automobile). On the subject of capitalisation, if "Smart" is going to be used generally, there should be a reference to the car being marketed as "smart". GavinTillman 14:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm ok with redirects, but how do you remove a page entirely? Is this something only sysops can do? I've noticed several weird titles (with titles that look like typos) still around, but as redirects. Do you like car or automobile? -- Hotlorp
Returning to the issue of lowercase or other special capitalization when companies seem to request it for their trademarks -- smart, quattro, BAE SYSTEMS -- we need to be careful. The typographic convention that trademarks should have an initial capital is very old, and very useful. Since we can all publish, we are all typographers now, many of us inexperienced. For matters like capitalization some people (including magazine editors) are too easily swayed by "authority" to use the capitalization that an organization uses in its publications, or in its logo. It's important to realize that use of a trademark outside of an organization is a different thing to usage by its members. The word exists outside of the logo, and will outlive its managers in Wiki and related places; the fact that it's a trademark -- and thus not to be found in most dictinonaries -- is a useful fact that is succinctly recorded in its capitalization.
If organizations start to exert control over this aspect of referring to them, there's no telling where it might end... Insistence on use of a special symbol (Prince)? Insistence that all mentions of "smart" are hyperlinked?
Perhaps it's wrong to characterize the problem as typographic - more useful might be a distinction between spelling (which excludes capitalization) and orthography (which includes it).
Stand up for a great typographic tradition!
-- Hotlorp
I agree that one cannot use lower case in a proper noun in English. If I wrote my name "david", would anyone else write it that way. At most not often. Certainly companies should not have more rights than private individuals. In addition, there is the practice of using Capitals for the first letters of the titles of Wikipedia articles and heading. The logo is shown, so anyone can see that they write in in lower case. A logo need not use proper English but an encyclopedia must. David R. Ingham 00:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Also, notice that there is a Smart car (smart car) page, about cars with artificial inteligence. David R. Ingham 03:36, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I changed the capitalization here and everywhere I found the names. Some links to model names must not have worked until I changed the other pages to agree with changes here. david 00:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
It is sort of funny using lower case to name a mini- or micro-car, like submissives on Internet chat. David R. Ingham 01:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
The reason one cannot write an encyclopedia with lower case proper nouns is like the reason one cannot write a complicated computer program in simple Basic with all its line numbers and GOTOs. It is not readable locally. In the case of Basic, the problem is that one can't ever fix or change anything without looking at the rest of the program to see if control is transferred there from somewhere else in a way that causes a new bug with the change. Programs in that computer language, therefore, become "worn out" faster than programs (well) written in languages like C++ and Ada. So if we keep doing things like using lower case proper nouns, the encyclopedia may eventually get worn out, in the sense that no-one can read it or change it because the articles are too long to read all of, and the individual paragraphs don't make sense by themselves because they appear to do things like using adjectives as proper nouns.
People such as James Joyce and E. E. Cummings can write that way, though it limits the potential readership, because a novel, unlike an encyclopedia, is intended to be read from cover to cover. David R. Ingham 16:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Goodness, Mervyn, you found one I missed. Maybe it is good after-all that I am not working on software anymore. David R. Ingham 07:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
On the other hand, it was in quotes. David R. Ingham 07:47, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Added the lowercase tag. Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(technical_restrictions)#Lower_case_first_letter April 5th, 2006. Seems to be the proper procedure in such cases as these.
No I don't think the title of this article should be in lower case. "Smart" is here a proper noun. The manufacturer is free to use lower case but that can't be carried into an encyclopedia. David R. Ingham 21:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Hambach is in France (Lorraine), not Germany as someone just changed it to. It probably was in Germany some years ago...
Sorry! I looked up Hambach on Google and all the results came up in German, so I jumped to the wrong conclusion. -- Heron
Sources:
Alsace and Lorraine are natively German speaking but now part of France. They were annexed by Germany after the Franco-Prussian War and taken back by France after WW I. So the earliest Bugattis were German. Most early Bugattis were 1500 cc and probably lighter than the Smart. David R. Ingham 01:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Well as the Brand Bugatti was bought by Volkswagen they are indeed German ;) (now) As well as Rolls Royce and Bentley who were bought by BMW and Volkswagen.
History should include EPA approval date.
I was hoping wikipedia would tell more about engine/drive layouts, suspension, transmission etc. Smart certainly doesn't seem to want to hand out much info.
Why has this page been moved? Smart (car) is the sensible page name. Please also justify using the lowercase 's', as we're not in the context of marketing the car. Hotlorp 00:27, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
I support a move back or we should move Mercedes-Benz to DaimlerChrysler Mercedes-Benz ? Ericd 20:19, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Doesn't "Forfour" infringe on Morgan's 4/4? David R. Ingham 02:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
A lot of the information about Smart outside of Europe seems focused on the forTwo... this information is in the forTwo article, so shouldn't it be trimmed down a bit?
I've tagged the section on distribution in the United States as copyright violation, since most of it is directly copied and pasted from an article available on the Daimler-Chrysler website. -- benwildeboer D( talk - contribs) 18:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
When I started the Smart vehicles in popular culture section, I was unaware that another existed here [2]. Since then both sections have grown, but while I wouldn't want to see them both disappear, it does seem superfluous for them to both list the same thing. Should one of the sections be deleted, should they be left alone, should there be a seperate article (a bit much at this point given how brief the list is), should one section direct to the other, or what?
I tried to integrate some of the external links into footnotes where relevant, and I took out some really silly ones. Should more be done? I'm wondering about the smart car modification site and the MOMA expo, to be specific. Rkaufman13 15:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
This does not form a proper URL and is impossible to link to with the _(automobile) in the URL. The page needs to be moved to a page with a standard name! 142.165.246.30 ( talk) 15:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_(automobile)
As the engine is rear-mounted, I question whether this vehicle is rear wheel, front-wheel or all-wheel drive. I can't see it mentioned anywhere.
trezjr ( talk) 04:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Badagnani ( talk) 21:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I'd asked about the weight because it looks so small that two big guys could carry one off. Badagnani ( talk) 05:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm seeing SMART cars buzzing around almost every day here in San Diego; they are becoming commonplace. Yet the US section still refers to their future availability in the States etc. Well ... the future is now. Someone who cares more than I do should really update this with the latest info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leeconte ( talk • contribs) 16:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
AND the info commenting on older smarts unable to be registered in the US is also false or outdated, as many states recognize these models and allow them to be registered and titled. In August of 2009 I purchased a 2006 Canadian market CDI. It is legally registered in Tennessee with no modifications needed and it is recognized by my auto insurance company as well as the company that financed it.
USDOT allows for purchase of cars sold in Canada, but not offered in the US - the seller must be a private citizen, and the transaction must take place in the US. Those same rules would have forbidden me to have purchased the car from a Canadian auto dealer, though. This info is per verbal advice of my local county court clerk's office (Rutherford county TN) where I registered the car. There are allowances in USDOT and EPA rules for such sales. I could have cited the sections last summer when I purchased the car, but unfortunately cannot remember the specific sections. As for EPA rules, it meets or exceeds current EPA diesel engine criteria, again, verbally per my local motor registration office and emission control contractor.
Fernblatt ( talk) 02:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
The smart ev section says 1998...should that be 2008? Andy Johnston ( talk) 16:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
At the 2010 Paris Motor Show Daimler's Smart division showed the new Smart ebike and Smart escooter. Future updates of the main Smart page should include these two products. For reference, here is the Daimler web page link discussing the Smart ebike and escooter and a reference to the Paris Motor Show: http://www.daimler.com/dccom/0-5-1335025-1-1337571-1-0-0-0-0-0-16694-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.html
Now that the Smart brand appears to include a bike and a scooter, I would like to suggest that the title of the main article should be changed from Smart (automobile) to Smart (vehicle). (That is until they introduce the Smart toaster and Smart massage chair.)
Since the Smart division seems to be fully integrated into the Daimler brand, I am thinking that the main Smart article might be better placed as part of the Daimler article. It might be better to just redirect searches for Smart vehicles to Daimler. Figlinus ( talk) 19:29, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Just going down the page you see the name Hayek without a first name (Nicholas only appears quite a way down and w/o link (he just died not long ago)) in its first occurrence. The page needs a real going over. 143.232.210.150 ( talk) 22:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
This car is going to take over the world (at least in US cities where people can't drive easily like SF.
If someone can tell me the best way to invest in this company, I'll spend some time updating the entry.
Send me email at bezenek@gmail.com.
Bezenek ( talk) 04:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to Smart (marque). Bradv 00:15, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Smart (automobile) → Smart Automobile – WP:NATURAL SST flyer 09:53, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Which do we consider the primary topic of this article? It seems less and less clear with every edit. If it's just the Smart marque, it's still wholly owned by Mercedes-Benz AG (at least outside China), not by Geely. If it's the Mercedes-Geely joint venture (something that would make sense from a practical standpoint, as it seems all the Smart-related business will be carried through it) as various editors insist we do, we just have to focus in the JV company within the infobox and remove mentions to local operations. Also, we probably should move the article to other title as "Smart Automobiles" or "Smart (car manufacturer)", being that the marque itself would not be the main focus anymore. Thoughts? -- Urbanoc ( talk) 13:57, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
(Title could either kept or be moved to "Smart Automobile")
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Industry | Automotive |
Founded | 1994 2019 (joint venture) | (brand)
Headquarters | Hangzhou Bay, Ningbo |
Key people | xxx |
Products | Electric vehicle |
Owners | Mercedes-Benz AG (50%) Zhejiang Geely Holding Group (50%) |
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Industry | Automotive |
Headquarters | Leinfelden-Echterdingen, Stuttgart, Germany |
Area served | Europe |
Key people | Dirk Adelmann (CEO) |
Owners | Smart Automobile Co., Ltd. |
Smart (stylized as smart) is a German automotive brand owned by Smart Automobile Co., Ltd., a joint venture of Mercedes-Benz AG and Zhejiang Geely Holding Group headquartered in Hangzhou Bay, Ningbo, China. It produces small battery electric vehicles in their manufacturing plant in China, while previously the brand was known to produce microcars and subcompacts, primarily the Fortwo and Forfour, at the Smartville in Hambach, France and in the Revoz plant, Novo Mesto, Slovenia. Its distribution, marketing and after-sales activities in Europe are currently handled by smart Europe GmbH.
The brand was founded in 1994 by Micro Compact Car AG (MCC), a joint venture between SMH and Daimler-Benz. MCC became a wholly owned subsidiary of Daimler-Benz in 1998, and was subsequently renamed to MCC smart GmbH, then smart GmbH. smart GmbH was then absorbed by DaimlerChrysler (later Daimler AG) in 2006, making smart a brand within the Mercedes-Benz Cars division. In March 2019, Geely and Daimler AG announced the creation of an equally-owned global joint venture called the Smart Automobile Co., Ltd., aimed at producing Smart-badged cars in China to be marketed globally.
The name Smart derives from its founders, Swiss company Swatch with Mercedes-Benz: "Swatch Mercedes ART". ...
"Smart (stylized as smart) is a German automotive brand. Smart Automobile Co., Ltd. is a joint venture established by Mercedes-Benz AG and Zhejiang Geely Holding Group in 2019 and aimed at producing Smart-badged cars in China to be marketed globally. It is headquartered in Hangzhou Bay, Ningbo, China"
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There has got to be someone out there who thinks something else about this car... How about some ROI figures to justify this "smart" buy? 75.200.169.225 ( talk) 02:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I Do. Somebody please write a criticism section. In-Correct ( talk) 05:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, buying half a car for a full price, how smart is that ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.83.215.81 ( talk) 07:50, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
An 1800 lb. microcar? Really? Original VW's and even Geo Metro's were 1500 lbs. and I never heard them called microcars. The smart is short, but it is also tall. But all these new small cars are big when compared with small cars from the 70's and earlier. Plus the gas mileage isn't what you would expect in a microcar. The new Mini's and Fiat's have little in common with the originals other than general shape and appearance. All these would be subcompact, or even compact when comparing weight and hp with cars from the 70's. Flight Risk ( talk) 21:18, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
This article is duplicated at Smart Fortwo ... these pages should be merged...
Much of the information in this article is outdated or completely wrong.
-- -FoxMajik 19:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I took out a lot of the stuff about Zap moters because it sounded like a corporate shill. For other people's reference, Zap says on their web site that they have "forged an exclusive technology licensing agreement with Smart-Automobile LLC allowing the certification of the Smart Car". Smart-Automobile LLC is _not_ affiliated with Daimler-Chrysler. Zap is not the only importer and may not even have been the first. I also took out the part about "[the smart-car is not sold in the US] owing to a fear of possible market positioning confusion, Mercedes-Benz wishing to maintain an aura of high priced luxury that enables it to keep profit margins high. That aura is also used to cancel its B-Class program for the American market in light of escalating fuel prices." because it strikes me as unlikely and as conjecture. If someone has a citation they can put it back in. Jerdwyer 04:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Another reference I cannot currently find, but the "market confusion" issue is precisely why Mercedes-Benz (or Daimler AG, that produces the smart line) has no connection to the smar range in the US - rather they are sold via smartUSA, part of the Penske Automotive Group. The "Rest Of The Known World Other Than The US" Mercedes supports the smart range.
Fernblatt ( talk) 02:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't like the way this page is titled. I originally called it "Smart (automobile)".
The company calls itself "smart" (lowercase), but I tend to favour capitalization of all trademarks despite brand managers often wanting everyone to mimic the typography logos.
The thing "Smart" is a car, not a company. At least, this is the most sensible way of adding (type) information. If we use (company), then just about every manufactured product - guns, planes, etc. - get lumped in to being a (company) - not useful. The page does not define an individual vehicle of course, but the word "automobile" is quite acceptable to describe an automobile type as well as an actual vehicle. It's fine to describe the company history in an (automobile) page of course.
Perhaps (car) would be better still, although I've started to use (automobile) elsewhere - for Bristol etc. -- Hotlorp
(car) is better than (automobile). (automobile) is North American usage whereas (car) is used globally. Apart from a global word being better anyway, as a European product, I think the style guide suggests (car) over (automobile). On the subject of capitalisation, if "Smart" is going to be used generally, there should be a reference to the car being marketed as "smart". GavinTillman 14:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm ok with redirects, but how do you remove a page entirely? Is this something only sysops can do? I've noticed several weird titles (with titles that look like typos) still around, but as redirects. Do you like car or automobile? -- Hotlorp
Returning to the issue of lowercase or other special capitalization when companies seem to request it for their trademarks -- smart, quattro, BAE SYSTEMS -- we need to be careful. The typographic convention that trademarks should have an initial capital is very old, and very useful. Since we can all publish, we are all typographers now, many of us inexperienced. For matters like capitalization some people (including magazine editors) are too easily swayed by "authority" to use the capitalization that an organization uses in its publications, or in its logo. It's important to realize that use of a trademark outside of an organization is a different thing to usage by its members. The word exists outside of the logo, and will outlive its managers in Wiki and related places; the fact that it's a trademark -- and thus not to be found in most dictinonaries -- is a useful fact that is succinctly recorded in its capitalization.
If organizations start to exert control over this aspect of referring to them, there's no telling where it might end... Insistence on use of a special symbol (Prince)? Insistence that all mentions of "smart" are hyperlinked?
Perhaps it's wrong to characterize the problem as typographic - more useful might be a distinction between spelling (which excludes capitalization) and orthography (which includes it).
Stand up for a great typographic tradition!
-- Hotlorp
I agree that one cannot use lower case in a proper noun in English. If I wrote my name "david", would anyone else write it that way. At most not often. Certainly companies should not have more rights than private individuals. In addition, there is the practice of using Capitals for the first letters of the titles of Wikipedia articles and heading. The logo is shown, so anyone can see that they write in in lower case. A logo need not use proper English but an encyclopedia must. David R. Ingham 00:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Also, notice that there is a Smart car (smart car) page, about cars with artificial inteligence. David R. Ingham 03:36, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I changed the capitalization here and everywhere I found the names. Some links to model names must not have worked until I changed the other pages to agree with changes here. david 00:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
It is sort of funny using lower case to name a mini- or micro-car, like submissives on Internet chat. David R. Ingham 01:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
The reason one cannot write an encyclopedia with lower case proper nouns is like the reason one cannot write a complicated computer program in simple Basic with all its line numbers and GOTOs. It is not readable locally. In the case of Basic, the problem is that one can't ever fix or change anything without looking at the rest of the program to see if control is transferred there from somewhere else in a way that causes a new bug with the change. Programs in that computer language, therefore, become "worn out" faster than programs (well) written in languages like C++ and Ada. So if we keep doing things like using lower case proper nouns, the encyclopedia may eventually get worn out, in the sense that no-one can read it or change it because the articles are too long to read all of, and the individual paragraphs don't make sense by themselves because they appear to do things like using adjectives as proper nouns.
People such as James Joyce and E. E. Cummings can write that way, though it limits the potential readership, because a novel, unlike an encyclopedia, is intended to be read from cover to cover. David R. Ingham 16:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Goodness, Mervyn, you found one I missed. Maybe it is good after-all that I am not working on software anymore. David R. Ingham 07:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
On the other hand, it was in quotes. David R. Ingham 07:47, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Added the lowercase tag. Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(technical_restrictions)#Lower_case_first_letter April 5th, 2006. Seems to be the proper procedure in such cases as these.
No I don't think the title of this article should be in lower case. "Smart" is here a proper noun. The manufacturer is free to use lower case but that can't be carried into an encyclopedia. David R. Ingham 21:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Hambach is in France (Lorraine), not Germany as someone just changed it to. It probably was in Germany some years ago...
Sorry! I looked up Hambach on Google and all the results came up in German, so I jumped to the wrong conclusion. -- Heron
Sources:
Alsace and Lorraine are natively German speaking but now part of France. They were annexed by Germany after the Franco-Prussian War and taken back by France after WW I. So the earliest Bugattis were German. Most early Bugattis were 1500 cc and probably lighter than the Smart. David R. Ingham 01:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Well as the Brand Bugatti was bought by Volkswagen they are indeed German ;) (now) As well as Rolls Royce and Bentley who were bought by BMW and Volkswagen.
History should include EPA approval date.
I was hoping wikipedia would tell more about engine/drive layouts, suspension, transmission etc. Smart certainly doesn't seem to want to hand out much info.
Why has this page been moved? Smart (car) is the sensible page name. Please also justify using the lowercase 's', as we're not in the context of marketing the car. Hotlorp 00:27, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
I support a move back or we should move Mercedes-Benz to DaimlerChrysler Mercedes-Benz ? Ericd 20:19, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Doesn't "Forfour" infringe on Morgan's 4/4? David R. Ingham 02:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
A lot of the information about Smart outside of Europe seems focused on the forTwo... this information is in the forTwo article, so shouldn't it be trimmed down a bit?
I've tagged the section on distribution in the United States as copyright violation, since most of it is directly copied and pasted from an article available on the Daimler-Chrysler website. -- benwildeboer D( talk - contribs) 18:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
When I started the Smart vehicles in popular culture section, I was unaware that another existed here [2]. Since then both sections have grown, but while I wouldn't want to see them both disappear, it does seem superfluous for them to both list the same thing. Should one of the sections be deleted, should they be left alone, should there be a seperate article (a bit much at this point given how brief the list is), should one section direct to the other, or what?
I tried to integrate some of the external links into footnotes where relevant, and I took out some really silly ones. Should more be done? I'm wondering about the smart car modification site and the MOMA expo, to be specific. Rkaufman13 15:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
This does not form a proper URL and is impossible to link to with the _(automobile) in the URL. The page needs to be moved to a page with a standard name! 142.165.246.30 ( talk) 15:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_(automobile)
As the engine is rear-mounted, I question whether this vehicle is rear wheel, front-wheel or all-wheel drive. I can't see it mentioned anywhere.
trezjr ( talk) 04:20, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Badagnani ( talk) 21:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I'd asked about the weight because it looks so small that two big guys could carry one off. Badagnani ( talk) 05:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm seeing SMART cars buzzing around almost every day here in San Diego; they are becoming commonplace. Yet the US section still refers to their future availability in the States etc. Well ... the future is now. Someone who cares more than I do should really update this with the latest info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leeconte ( talk • contribs) 16:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
AND the info commenting on older smarts unable to be registered in the US is also false or outdated, as many states recognize these models and allow them to be registered and titled. In August of 2009 I purchased a 2006 Canadian market CDI. It is legally registered in Tennessee with no modifications needed and it is recognized by my auto insurance company as well as the company that financed it.
USDOT allows for purchase of cars sold in Canada, but not offered in the US - the seller must be a private citizen, and the transaction must take place in the US. Those same rules would have forbidden me to have purchased the car from a Canadian auto dealer, though. This info is per verbal advice of my local county court clerk's office (Rutherford county TN) where I registered the car. There are allowances in USDOT and EPA rules for such sales. I could have cited the sections last summer when I purchased the car, but unfortunately cannot remember the specific sections. As for EPA rules, it meets or exceeds current EPA diesel engine criteria, again, verbally per my local motor registration office and emission control contractor.
Fernblatt ( talk) 02:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
The smart ev section says 1998...should that be 2008? Andy Johnston ( talk) 16:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
At the 2010 Paris Motor Show Daimler's Smart division showed the new Smart ebike and Smart escooter. Future updates of the main Smart page should include these two products. For reference, here is the Daimler web page link discussing the Smart ebike and escooter and a reference to the Paris Motor Show: http://www.daimler.com/dccom/0-5-1335025-1-1337571-1-0-0-0-0-0-16694-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.html
Now that the Smart brand appears to include a bike and a scooter, I would like to suggest that the title of the main article should be changed from Smart (automobile) to Smart (vehicle). (That is until they introduce the Smart toaster and Smart massage chair.)
Since the Smart division seems to be fully integrated into the Daimler brand, I am thinking that the main Smart article might be better placed as part of the Daimler article. It might be better to just redirect searches for Smart vehicles to Daimler. Figlinus ( talk) 19:29, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Just going down the page you see the name Hayek without a first name (Nicholas only appears quite a way down and w/o link (he just died not long ago)) in its first occurrence. The page needs a real going over. 143.232.210.150 ( talk) 22:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
This car is going to take over the world (at least in US cities where people can't drive easily like SF.
If someone can tell me the best way to invest in this company, I'll spend some time updating the entry.
Send me email at bezenek@gmail.com.
Bezenek ( talk) 04:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to Smart (marque). Bradv 00:15, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Smart (automobile) → Smart Automobile – WP:NATURAL SST flyer 09:53, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Which do we consider the primary topic of this article? It seems less and less clear with every edit. If it's just the Smart marque, it's still wholly owned by Mercedes-Benz AG (at least outside China), not by Geely. If it's the Mercedes-Geely joint venture (something that would make sense from a practical standpoint, as it seems all the Smart-related business will be carried through it) as various editors insist we do, we just have to focus in the JV company within the infobox and remove mentions to local operations. Also, we probably should move the article to other title as "Smart Automobiles" or "Smart (car manufacturer)", being that the marque itself would not be the main focus anymore. Thoughts? -- Urbanoc ( talk) 13:57, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
(Title could either kept or be moved to "Smart Automobile")
Company type | Joint venture |
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Industry | Automotive |
Founded | 1994 2019 (joint venture) | (brand)
Headquarters | Hangzhou Bay, Ningbo |
Key people | xxx |
Products | Electric vehicle |
Owners | Mercedes-Benz AG (50%) Zhejiang Geely Holding Group (50%) |
Website |
media |
Company type | Subsidiary |
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Industry | Automotive |
Headquarters | Leinfelden-Echterdingen, Stuttgart, Germany |
Area served | Europe |
Key people | Dirk Adelmann (CEO) |
Owners | Smart Automobile Co., Ltd. |
Smart (stylized as smart) is a German automotive brand owned by Smart Automobile Co., Ltd., a joint venture of Mercedes-Benz AG and Zhejiang Geely Holding Group headquartered in Hangzhou Bay, Ningbo, China. It produces small battery electric vehicles in their manufacturing plant in China, while previously the brand was known to produce microcars and subcompacts, primarily the Fortwo and Forfour, at the Smartville in Hambach, France and in the Revoz plant, Novo Mesto, Slovenia. Its distribution, marketing and after-sales activities in Europe are currently handled by smart Europe GmbH.
The brand was founded in 1994 by Micro Compact Car AG (MCC), a joint venture between SMH and Daimler-Benz. MCC became a wholly owned subsidiary of Daimler-Benz in 1998, and was subsequently renamed to MCC smart GmbH, then smart GmbH. smart GmbH was then absorbed by DaimlerChrysler (later Daimler AG) in 2006, making smart a brand within the Mercedes-Benz Cars division. In March 2019, Geely and Daimler AG announced the creation of an equally-owned global joint venture called the Smart Automobile Co., Ltd., aimed at producing Smart-badged cars in China to be marketed globally.
The name Smart derives from its founders, Swiss company Swatch with Mercedes-Benz: "Swatch Mercedes ART". ...
"Smart (stylized as smart) is a German automotive brand. Smart Automobile Co., Ltd. is a joint venture established by Mercedes-Benz AG and Zhejiang Geely Holding Group in 2019 and aimed at producing Smart-badged cars in China to be marketed globally. It is headquartered in Hangzhou Bay, Ningbo, China"
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