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The USS Constellation is not a Sloop-of-War. It is a Frigate. This picture should be removed from this page. Sir Knight Michael ( talk) 20:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
The HMS Ontario is a 22 gun brig sloop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Ontario_(1780). If the rating system covered anything above 20 guns then how is it still considered a sloop? I see a brig sloop section in this article but it doesn't explain how a ship like the Ontario isn't included in the ratings. Nihilbilly ( talk) 20:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)Nihilbilly
Actually, the Ontario was never classed by the Royal Navy as a sloop. She was not rigged as a brig, but as a snow (please ask if you don't understand the difference), and all the official records simply describe her as a snow, not as a sloop and certainly not as a brig-sloop!
The article is correct in mentioning that ship-sloops (and other sloops) were not Post-Captains commands. The definition of the naval sloop was that it was NOT commanded by a Post-Captain. I'm afraid you are misinformed, Geo Swan. You are also incorrect in your other assertion that ship-sloops were flush-decked; the majority of ship-sloops were built with a quarter-deck and forecastle, the most numerous designs in the Royal Navy during the 1793-1815 period being the Cormorant class (31 vessels built to this design) and the Merlin class (16 vessels built to this design). Most brig-sloops, on the other hand, were flush-decked. Rif Winfield ( talk) 16:23, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
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This article seems to focus entirely on usage by the British navy. Since I arrived here from an article on US navy sloops-of-war, I am at a complete loss of how to understand the various ships described therein. The first ship there is a 28 gun ship while this article says that sloops have less than 20 guns. I think this article should simplify the first section along the lines of "A sloop of war is a warship that is smaller than a Frigate. In the Royal Navy rating system they were ships with less than 20 guns." Alternatively, information about how the US navy used the term should be added to the article I got here from. Rockphed ( talk) 15:24, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
There exists stub article screw sloop with a fair number, 198, of inbound links. It should perhaps be merged to Steam frigate or to sloop-of-war (perhaps specifically to Sloop-of-war#Decline, which gives a little context perhaps worth consulting before jumping along its link to Steam frigate). Please comment at informal merger proposal discussion, at Talk:Screw sloop#Merge (revived in 2020). -- Doncram ( talk) 22:10, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
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The USS Constellation is not a Sloop-of-War. It is a Frigate. This picture should be removed from this page. Sir Knight Michael ( talk) 20:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
The HMS Ontario is a 22 gun brig sloop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Ontario_(1780). If the rating system covered anything above 20 guns then how is it still considered a sloop? I see a brig sloop section in this article but it doesn't explain how a ship like the Ontario isn't included in the ratings. Nihilbilly ( talk) 20:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)Nihilbilly
Actually, the Ontario was never classed by the Royal Navy as a sloop. She was not rigged as a brig, but as a snow (please ask if you don't understand the difference), and all the official records simply describe her as a snow, not as a sloop and certainly not as a brig-sloop!
The article is correct in mentioning that ship-sloops (and other sloops) were not Post-Captains commands. The definition of the naval sloop was that it was NOT commanded by a Post-Captain. I'm afraid you are misinformed, Geo Swan. You are also incorrect in your other assertion that ship-sloops were flush-decked; the majority of ship-sloops were built with a quarter-deck and forecastle, the most numerous designs in the Royal Navy during the 1793-1815 period being the Cormorant class (31 vessels built to this design) and the Merlin class (16 vessels built to this design). Most brig-sloops, on the other hand, were flush-decked. Rif Winfield ( talk) 16:23, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
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This article seems to focus entirely on usage by the British navy. Since I arrived here from an article on US navy sloops-of-war, I am at a complete loss of how to understand the various ships described therein. The first ship there is a 28 gun ship while this article says that sloops have less than 20 guns. I think this article should simplify the first section along the lines of "A sloop of war is a warship that is smaller than a Frigate. In the Royal Navy rating system they were ships with less than 20 guns." Alternatively, information about how the US navy used the term should be added to the article I got here from. Rockphed ( talk) 15:24, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
There exists stub article screw sloop with a fair number, 198, of inbound links. It should perhaps be merged to Steam frigate or to sloop-of-war (perhaps specifically to Sloop-of-war#Decline, which gives a little context perhaps worth consulting before jumping along its link to Steam frigate). Please comment at informal merger proposal discussion, at Talk:Screw sloop#Merge (revived in 2020). -- Doncram ( talk) 22:10, 3 November 2020 (UTC)