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The District of Columbia also remained part of the Union.
This is the sentence I describe as "funny". As the seat of the government of United States, the District of Columbia is placed directly under the authority of the Congress and couldn't secede from the Union. This sentence is unneccesary and I've remove it. Joshua Chiew 15:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
According to the Delaware page, that state rejected the 13th Amendment on 18Feb1865, and did not abolish slavery during the Civil War. The Thirteenth Amendment page also states that Delaware remained a slave state. In contrast, the Emancipation Proclamation page states that only Kentucky still had slaves. Can anyone definitively resolve whether Delaware abolished slavery before the enactment of the 13th Amendment? Bo Lawler 25Sep06 — Preceding undated comment added 14:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I believe this should be clarified as having ended slavery only in the "rebel" states (aimed to disrupt their war-fighting capacity). Slavery was not ended nationally until the Constitution was amended after the War. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.186.161.244 ( talk) 06:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
An editor has attempted to classify New Jersey as a slave state because a few individuals had not been totally freed under the states's gradual emancipation statutes. Of course, in the rancorous debates over slavery nobody at the time ever lumped New Jersey in with the slave states and no historian that I am aware of attempts to do so. The fact that NJ did have these few individuals is already included in the paragraph that the editor attempted to change. Tom (North Shoreman) ( talk) 15:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
One thing that ought to be changed is the statement "New Jersey became the last original state to embark on the course of gradual emancipation". Should be changed to states in the northeast, or north of the Mason-Dixon line. The current sentence makes the statement come across as that only the states in the north were part of the original states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipso44 ( talk • contribs) 09:38, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
This article is highly flawed. While New York passed a law in 1799, not 1787, to outlaw slavery. Slavery continued until 1827. This article is highly slanted with a very strong POV. I thought POV's were a no-no. PS, I'm a born and bred NYer and yes my family owned slaves back in the day. I have many Colonials in my line. To dispel the argument I don't have any reliable source to the contrary, I'll give you over to a historian now: "Emancipating New York: The Politics of Slavery and Freedom, 1777-1827", David N. Gellman (2008). 173.24.82.245 ( talk) 21:50, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Propose merging Free state (United States) into Slave state, due to massive 'overlap' ( WP:MERGE#Merging) between the two articles (including graphics, data tables, and content). Also, the two concepts are only really defined as opposites of each other, which is one of the key examples provided for a good candidate for merge (e.g. flammable vs. non-flammable).
As a historical note, the 'Free state' was actually created as a fork off the 'Slave state' article in 2004 by jangod. I will try to contact this editor for input on the re-merge.
Any thoughts?
-- Cheakamus ( talk) 20:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I agree that both old links should point to the merged article (probably by using a redirect for one of them--I think this is standard practice for a merge). Also agree with listing the states in separate categories. Anyone out there who wants to take this merge on should go for it, as I probably won't get around to it for a while. Cheakamus ( talk) 01:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Delaware was a slave state and existed since the beginning so why isn't it in the table of slave states in 1812? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.31.229 ( talk) 01:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
the truth remains a mistery —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emobizatch ( talk • contribs) 11:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no mention that by the time the US constitution was ratified 11 of the 13 original colonies had outlawed the practice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:9400:949f:fcc1:ed75:a4b8:2909:7896 ( talk) 03:07, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Why is a slave-state only defined by the legality to keep African-American slaves? What about all the thousands of white slaves? 216.185.250.92 ( talk) 04:16, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Obviously the article discusses both. Prezbo ( talk) 21:09, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Il etait transporté par colissimo d'afrique a l'europe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.128.145.233 ( talk) 13:56, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
It lists Vermont being a free state in 1770, not 1777. The main text of the article is correct. Contributor tom ( talk) 21:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
The animation ends in 1861. Shouldn't it continue to the end of slavery in the US, in particular showing the creation of West Virginia and its transition to a free state? -- 69.159.60.150 ( talk) 07:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
I changed "ended" to "completed" in "Gradual emancipation in New York (starting 1799, completed 1827) and New Jersey (starting 1804, completed by Thirteenth Amendment, 1865." I did so because to say that gradual emancipation ended could be misconstrued to mean that people remained enslaved. But another matter should be clarified. Was anyone in New Jersey still enslaved in 1865 before ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment? I doubt it. I think that we're talking not about gradual emancipation starting and completing, but about the law requiring gradual emancipation starting and completing. Would someone edit this to clarify it? Maurice Magnus ( talk) 18:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Since this seems to be something of a perennial problem, rather than start a new topic, I'll hitchhike onto this one. I just corrected NY State, changing 1799 to 1827 in the "footnote". I don't know where 1799 came from, though I do know that in 1798 then-Governor John Jay signed a bill to end slavery as of 1827. Some other points:
So, given all this and more, what good is the table? None I can see because it's confusing and misleading. As a fan of tables, information at a glance, I'm sure we could come up with a more complete listing with more columns to show how things progressed...and took forever. Maybe the pairs construct shouldn't be addressed by the table (a simple column listing would accomplish that part), whereas a large table might better serve the topic, Slave States and Free States, as well as the curiosity of readers regarding the main issue: when did slavery end? Thanks. Allreet ( talk) 23:33, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Slavery was practiced in the Indian Territory until the Reconstruction Treaties of 1866 were signed. This map might should be updated to reflect this accurately. 2601:285:580:7C90:C15C:A823:A2FF:2160 ( talk) 02:29, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
I removed the 1619 reference. Slavery already existed in the Colonies well beforehand. Link: https://www.history.com/news/american-slavery-before-jamestown-1619#:~:text=Prior%20to%201619%2C%20hundreds%20of,the%20systematic%20spread%20of%20colonization. 50.110.182.106 ( talk) 02:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Very weird that the map key covers a large portion of the Western US? Abstractbread ( talk) 00:28, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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The District of Columbia also remained part of the Union.
This is the sentence I describe as "funny". As the seat of the government of United States, the District of Columbia is placed directly under the authority of the Congress and couldn't secede from the Union. This sentence is unneccesary and I've remove it. Joshua Chiew 15:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
According to the Delaware page, that state rejected the 13th Amendment on 18Feb1865, and did not abolish slavery during the Civil War. The Thirteenth Amendment page also states that Delaware remained a slave state. In contrast, the Emancipation Proclamation page states that only Kentucky still had slaves. Can anyone definitively resolve whether Delaware abolished slavery before the enactment of the 13th Amendment? Bo Lawler 25Sep06 — Preceding undated comment added 14:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I believe this should be clarified as having ended slavery only in the "rebel" states (aimed to disrupt their war-fighting capacity). Slavery was not ended nationally until the Constitution was amended after the War. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.186.161.244 ( talk) 06:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
An editor has attempted to classify New Jersey as a slave state because a few individuals had not been totally freed under the states's gradual emancipation statutes. Of course, in the rancorous debates over slavery nobody at the time ever lumped New Jersey in with the slave states and no historian that I am aware of attempts to do so. The fact that NJ did have these few individuals is already included in the paragraph that the editor attempted to change. Tom (North Shoreman) ( talk) 15:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
One thing that ought to be changed is the statement "New Jersey became the last original state to embark on the course of gradual emancipation". Should be changed to states in the northeast, or north of the Mason-Dixon line. The current sentence makes the statement come across as that only the states in the north were part of the original states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipso44 ( talk • contribs) 09:38, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
This article is highly flawed. While New York passed a law in 1799, not 1787, to outlaw slavery. Slavery continued until 1827. This article is highly slanted with a very strong POV. I thought POV's were a no-no. PS, I'm a born and bred NYer and yes my family owned slaves back in the day. I have many Colonials in my line. To dispel the argument I don't have any reliable source to the contrary, I'll give you over to a historian now: "Emancipating New York: The Politics of Slavery and Freedom, 1777-1827", David N. Gellman (2008). 173.24.82.245 ( talk) 21:50, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Propose merging Free state (United States) into Slave state, due to massive 'overlap' ( WP:MERGE#Merging) between the two articles (including graphics, data tables, and content). Also, the two concepts are only really defined as opposites of each other, which is one of the key examples provided for a good candidate for merge (e.g. flammable vs. non-flammable).
As a historical note, the 'Free state' was actually created as a fork off the 'Slave state' article in 2004 by jangod. I will try to contact this editor for input on the re-merge.
Any thoughts?
-- Cheakamus ( talk) 20:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I agree that both old links should point to the merged article (probably by using a redirect for one of them--I think this is standard practice for a merge). Also agree with listing the states in separate categories. Anyone out there who wants to take this merge on should go for it, as I probably won't get around to it for a while. Cheakamus ( talk) 01:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Delaware was a slave state and existed since the beginning so why isn't it in the table of slave states in 1812? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.31.229 ( talk) 01:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
the truth remains a mistery —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emobizatch ( talk • contribs) 11:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no mention that by the time the US constitution was ratified 11 of the 13 original colonies had outlawed the practice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:9400:949f:fcc1:ed75:a4b8:2909:7896 ( talk) 03:07, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Why is a slave-state only defined by the legality to keep African-American slaves? What about all the thousands of white slaves? 216.185.250.92 ( talk) 04:16, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Obviously the article discusses both. Prezbo ( talk) 21:09, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Il etait transporté par colissimo d'afrique a l'europe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.128.145.233 ( talk) 13:56, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
It lists Vermont being a free state in 1770, not 1777. The main text of the article is correct. Contributor tom ( talk) 21:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
The animation ends in 1861. Shouldn't it continue to the end of slavery in the US, in particular showing the creation of West Virginia and its transition to a free state? -- 69.159.60.150 ( talk) 07:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
I changed "ended" to "completed" in "Gradual emancipation in New York (starting 1799, completed 1827) and New Jersey (starting 1804, completed by Thirteenth Amendment, 1865." I did so because to say that gradual emancipation ended could be misconstrued to mean that people remained enslaved. But another matter should be clarified. Was anyone in New Jersey still enslaved in 1865 before ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment? I doubt it. I think that we're talking not about gradual emancipation starting and completing, but about the law requiring gradual emancipation starting and completing. Would someone edit this to clarify it? Maurice Magnus ( talk) 18:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Since this seems to be something of a perennial problem, rather than start a new topic, I'll hitchhike onto this one. I just corrected NY State, changing 1799 to 1827 in the "footnote". I don't know where 1799 came from, though I do know that in 1798 then-Governor John Jay signed a bill to end slavery as of 1827. Some other points:
So, given all this and more, what good is the table? None I can see because it's confusing and misleading. As a fan of tables, information at a glance, I'm sure we could come up with a more complete listing with more columns to show how things progressed...and took forever. Maybe the pairs construct shouldn't be addressed by the table (a simple column listing would accomplish that part), whereas a large table might better serve the topic, Slave States and Free States, as well as the curiosity of readers regarding the main issue: when did slavery end? Thanks. Allreet ( talk) 23:33, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Slavery was practiced in the Indian Territory until the Reconstruction Treaties of 1866 were signed. This map might should be updated to reflect this accurately. 2601:285:580:7C90:C15C:A823:A2FF:2160 ( talk) 02:29, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
I removed the 1619 reference. Slavery already existed in the Colonies well beforehand. Link: https://www.history.com/news/american-slavery-before-jamestown-1619#:~:text=Prior%20to%201619%2C%20hundreds%20of,the%20systematic%20spread%20of%20colonization. 50.110.182.106 ( talk) 02:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Very weird that the map key covers a large portion of the Western US? Abstractbread ( talk) 00:28, 18 April 2024 (UTC)