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I remember seeing an NBA TV special on the history of dunks, which I believe used to be illegal in the NBA as well. In any case, I remember specifically a line saying it was considered rude and unsportsmanlike to dunk. It seems significant enough to add to the article, but having no specific source to cite I will not yet add it.
According to Squidbillies, a dunkis a signature white move invented by Larry Bird.
Allen Iverson is not noted for his slam dunk ability, he's slam dunked like maybe four times in his entire career, i've deleted his name. Also, I've heard that someone recently achieved a 720 slam dunk, i will look for more info as to the validity of this, this could be useful for the Trivia section. Theonejanitor 9:38 4 August 2006
Slam Dunk is the code name for the plot by the U.S. military to take over the Presidency in the 1994 major motion picture "The Enemy Within". Since George Tenet can be presumed to have familiarity with this prominent story, his use of the term is ambiguous at best. Rgdboer 06:28, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/28/tenet.weaponsremark.ap/index.html
What?
Jedre 07:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I understand that people want to have an example... but this is: a) confusing since Iraq didn't have WMDs b) entirely too political for an article on Basketball c) out of place
I think the second section ("Dunks in the NBA") has a somewhat odd tone and perhaps even the section itself should be deleted - or rewritten to refect the history of dunks in the NBA. Thoughts? [author1]
Agreed. "no doubt" used twice in same sentence, which is colloquial and also not cited. Players jump higher is not cited (early players couldn't jump high?). Best athletes in the world is unfounded (olympics?). "Though" is capitalized in the middle of a sentence. The passage: "there is some criticism from basketball fundamentalist who say it has damaged the game by corrupting young players into a score first, showboat mindset." contains a singular where there should be a plural and is completly anecdotal.
Paragraph deleted. Jedre 07:48, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Also "the rules have since been altered" re: goaltending is not in reference to a time when they were different.
I've never heard it called a "bang", or a "flush"- maybe in Europe?
1967-1978 is neither correct nor "brief". A link to a conversation with citations about it being lifted beginning 1976, and not officially beginning because of Kareem: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=444206 .
Furthermore - "a term coined" and "the most popular one" are two examples of colloquial language that should be replaced with more formal writing. Jedre 07:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Again - "bang" and "flush"? Can anyone back this up? And the 12 foot world record is hardly so, since most professionals have not attempted. I'd guess someone could make it more than a mere 2 feet above the rim, having watched sportscenter recently. Given that, for one example, Yao Ming's head is at 7'7" or so, I'd say he could manage a 12' dunk. Jedre 05:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
If you watch ESPN college basketball for any significant length of time, you will hear the term "flush" applied to a dunk shot. I have not heard "bang" though. As for the 12-ft record, there may be players who can do better but they would be exceedingly rare. Keep in mind that the very tallest players, including Yao Ming (who is actually only 7'5") have the least jumping ability. It is rare to see players taller than, say 6'10" or so, get off the ground at all. ( Sugar Daddy 15:48, 17 June 2006 (UTC))
It's offensive goal tending deal with it. Dunking has ruined basketball. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:FFC0:2E:4E5:3FFB:4AFF:3435 ( talk) 02:50, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
"Strictly speaking, a dunk is considered as offensive goaltending, and this is why dunks were against regulations in the early days of the game. However due to the immense popularity of dunks they were eventually allowed."
I doubt this passages validity, to my knowledge there have been no regualtions against dunking in the NBA. And in the NCAA dunking was only banned in 1966, hardly early in basketball history. In fact in the early days of basketball, the use of peach baskets would have actually made dunking useless since the ball would have simply bounced right out. If sources can't be provided to back up that claim then it should be removed. -(Brodey)
I seriously second that motion. The logic that it is offensive goaltending makes no sense. If a player grabs the rim, and then dunks, that is illegal, but putting the ball directly through the hoop is in no way, and never has been, offensive goaltending. Offensive goaltending is tipping in a ball that is on or directly above the rim, interfering with the shot.
Jedre 07:24, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
"This is essentialy an offensive goaltend, but the rules have since been altered due to the popularity of dunks."
Will people please stop adding that dunking is offensive goaltending, as well to my knowledge dunking has never been banned in the 60 year history of the nba, therefore no rules were ever changed to accomodate it.- Brodey March 26 2006 (UTC)
If you can't provide evidence that it was ever against the rules in the NBA, then it must be assumed that it never was. If it was against the rules then it shouldn't be that difficult to find proof of it.-- DavidFuzznut 04:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I was just wondering. Does anyone know what the penalty was if somebody dunked in the NCAA from 1967 to 1976? Was it a technical foul or something else? Just wanted to know. Bigbrainkt ( talk) 05:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
To BigBoyRubio,
Why did you remove Terence Stansbury from the list? He is listed in the NBA website as a dunker of note in the 80's. He is one of a few dunkers who ever scored perfect-50's in the Slam Dunk competition. He was just unfortunate to dunk at an era where Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, Spud Webb and Michael Jordan reigned supreme. Just because he does not have a wikipedia article does not mean he has to be excluded from the list.
Ykentwegetalong 18:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Anyone have any insight on Women dunkers? WNBA or NCAA highlight links to include? They dunk, too. Jedre 07:52, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Candy Parker, the freshman player at the University of Tennessee, dunked in several games this past season. The number of women who have dunked in college games can probably be counted on one hand though. ( Sugar Daddy 15:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC))
I made somewhat of an ass out of myself by editing an article and reasoning that Candace Parker was the first woman to dunk in the NCAA. The edit I made was still correct, but I felt like a jackass. Sorry, irrelevant, but either that was just because I'm dumb or this part of the article is somewhat confusing because it states the first woman to dunk in an NCAA tournament, but not in the NCAA itself. Maybe we should either find the first woman to do it or just list her as one of the notable female dunkers.
Michelle Snow dunked in college on multiple occasions, but I don't think she was the first. Statalyzer ( talk) 18:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I added a section on women dunkers; see what you all think of it. A significant number of women have done it now, at all levels of play. Leoniceno ( talk) 04:45, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I think that Brittney Griner from Baylor must now be included in this section. Dcrasno ( talk) 19:05, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
As noted in the article, Wilson holds the world record for the highest dunk. As I recall, Wilson's vertical jump was measured at 51.5 inches. This was while he was a player at the University of Memphis.
Is that even actually a dunk? It looks like the ball is about to come off of his fingers. Statalyzer ( talk) 18:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
That picture should be removed. It is not depicting a dunk and is not relevant to this article 66.57.49.115 ( talk) 20:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I replaced the image, in the previous picture it was difficult to see the actual dunk. I feel that the new image does a better job illustration it. Before & After -- $user log ( talk) 22:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I cut out the following section because it is a highly subjective listing in violation of WP:NOR. I replaced it with the more verifiable Category:NBA Slam Dunk Contest champions. Onomatopoeia 14:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Guards
MANU GINOBILI RUDY FERNANDEZ
Forwards
Centers
DWIGHT HOWARD!!!
There should be information on the first dunk, I can not find reliable information, but I find that George Mikan was the first in a professional game. Dysalot 21:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I suggest that the content of this page belongs here, if anywhere. Any thoughts? Feeeshboy 04:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
This dunk is iconic and symbolizes the age of the dunk more so than any other dunk. I'd argue that simply expanding the 'Slam Dunk' section to include 'The Leaner' is doing the leaner a disservice by denying that it holds a special place in basketball lore. It wasn't just a dunk; it was an event. -- Natster237 04:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
What differentiates dunking from so many other sporting feats is the high level of improvisation that can go into a particular dunk. Jordan is easily the most popular dunker of all time because of his ability to create spectacular dunks that had never been fathomed before. The leaner was such an unbelievable occurrence because of its novelty and the fact that it seemed to defy the laws of physics. It was truly a singular, one of a kind work of physical athleticism. Years later it is being voted the greatest dunk of all time, and it has the unique quality of being easily identifiable by name. Just as it holds a special place in basketball lore, without question it should have its own Wiki entry.
Alright guys, my intention wasn't to start a verbal war over an article about a famous dunk lol. I hope the article gets time to grow, either by my hand or somebody elses. It appears, however, that my inability to watch the posts like a hawk all the time might simply make that wish impossible to fulfill. BTW, I didn't write the previous post supporting keeping
the leaner...what would doing something like that accomplish? I might be signing off from Wikipedia for awhile as I don't have the time to constantly follow up on issues like this, but best of luck with your cause, Feeeshyboy.
Natster237 06:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Merge complete. The leaner has been tagged for proposed deletion and redirect to Slam dunk. Feeeshboy 22:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
User:Wolfkeeper is removing content about the phrase related to the slam dunk [2] Can other editors weigh in on whether it should be included? I don't want to engage in edit warring. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 02:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
If a thing had led to a term being coined, then that shows the influence of that object. Saying that the influence an object has had on language cannot be included is saying that we are not allowed to have complete articles. This provides not only simple dictionary definitions, but insights into how language functions. Despite what you think, making an article more complete is not vandalism. Cheers! Scapler ( talk) 17:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Some really interesting points here on both sides, but let's take a step back for a moment and look at the semiotic distinctions that we're making here. An entry in an encyclopedia should be a distinct sign. That is, it contains both a signifier and a signified, and the article describes both. Many articles contain an "origin of the phrase/term/name" section, which comments on the signifier, and then devote most of their content to describing the major characteristics of the thing that is being referred to, i.e. the signified. This is different from the work of a dictionary, which takes signifiers and merely provides the signifieds. We would not have an article on "Slam dunk" if it were merely a turn of phrase. Wolfkeeper points out that the concept is covered by Sure thing, but that page does not describe the turn of phrase or cover anything. It exists only because there are various signs that are encyclopedic that contain the words "sure thing," which are linked. The phrase itself is not encyclopedic.
Let's also examine the function of a disambiguation page: it is to disambiguate between similar signifiers that are really parts of different signs. That is not the case with slam dunk: the slam dunk that is a sure thing is only a sure thing because that's the nature of a slam dunk: you theoretically can't miss the shot (obviously you can, but that's irrelevant). I must emphatically disagree with Wolfkeeper's contention that the phrase has nothing "to do with putting anything in hoop at all". Perhaps in the future, "slam dunk" as a phrase will lose its association with the basketball shot. Perhaps people will stop playing basketball and the phrase will live on (like some archaic phrases such as "'til the cows come home"), although it won't then merit its own Wikipedia article anyway. In the meantime, I contend that the phrase "slam dunk" is very strongly linked to the basketball slam dunk, and that these signs overlap to a sufficient degree that there is ambiguity in the use of the signifier "slam dunk". I suspect that the use of this phrase to mean "a sure thing" is a very recent development, and I would be interested to see if this could be proven. For many, I suspect, George Tenet's use of the phrase was the first time they'd heard it take on this meaning. As a fairly new popular metaphor, as opposed to a cliche, this signifier is still very evocative of the original signified, so one is very likely to associate the "sure thing" with the image of a basketball slam dunk, in much the same way as one cannot say "the greatest thing since sliced bread" without being aware that no such comparison would exist without there being an acknowledged signified of sliced bread. Therefore, I suggest that the section about the use of the phrase is wholly appropriate. Feeeshboy ( talk) 03:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Per the above and the linked discussions, I've found more references regarding the phrase itself, and replaced the article-section with a reduced description of the Tenet example. I've also added a sentence to the introduction, per WP:LEAD. -- Quiddity ( talk) 20:31, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Wolfkeeper, stop edit warring. If you really feel strongly about this take it to dispute resolution (or better yet, just move on).-- Cúchullain t/ c 13:06, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Begging the question (or petitio principii, "assuming the initial point") is a type of logical fallacy in which the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise.
[The fallacy] is committed "when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof." [Welton, James. A Manual of Logic. W.B. Clive, 1905.] More specifically, petitio principii refers to arguing for a conclusion that has already been assumed in the premise.
Please re-read the discussion without disregarding others' views. You'll find your answer. — David Levy 14:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
This is my understanding, of the examples.
Your examples from above:
My examples from before:
The statement that "flambledamble" is slang for "slam dunk" sounded ridiculous enough to Google. There are 24 results as of 1/8/2010, ALL of which place it in the context of this article. Is this a test to see exactly how gullible Wikipedia readers are? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.3.196.217 ( talk) 17:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
"Carter would later go on to comment that he copied these dunks from an article in Slam magazine featuring Jameel Pugh"
This is unsourced. I can't find this anywhere. It should be removed if a proper source is not found, i believe. Idonthavetimeforthiscarp 20:02, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I would like to revamp the slam dunk page as much of the content appears cluttered, and a sizeable portion of the language is informal.
A new module entitled Dunk Types has been already added to provide explanations and examples of the different dunks.
The primary issue with the aforementioned addition will be the bland descriptions of dunks. Perhaps a thumbnail of each could appear to provide visual aid.
The Notable Dunks section deserves to be reorganized into subsections. Perhaps by time period or significant element of the dunks (e.g. 'Broken Backboards', or 'In-Game Dunks'). Additionally, some of the content would be removed and would appear in the new section entitled Dunk Types.
JustinMBarber ( talk) 02:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I suggest merging the newly created Free-throw line dunk into this article which is not unreasonably long. The free-throw line dunk article looks long but a lot of it is unencyclopedic. In particular a list of players who "have dunked from or near the free throw line" is unacceptably vague, subjective and impossible to verify. A more concise exposition would fit in great in the slam dunk article. Pichpich ( talk) 19:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable. Multiworld Wiki ( talk) 23:30, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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There is no reason for Baseline dunk to be a separate article.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 22:50, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
The section "Tomahawk" starts with
and then goes on not explaining what a tomahawk dunk is, except mentioning that both hands are used.
Could somebody please add a sentence desribing what a tomahwk dunk is? Thank you. -- 194.118.252.50 ( talk) 10:27, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
The article says: ... baseball-inspired phrases "it was a grand slam" ...
This is misleading: as Grand_Slam_(disambiguation) says, it comes from Contract Bridge, so it is hardly a "baseball-inspired" phrase.
I have modified the page to use "step up to the plate", which makes the same point. I have corrected the English from "or otherwise an impressive achievement", which is not the right meaning, to "or a similarly impressive achievement".
I don't know why it says "were more commonly used in previous years". These sort of phrases are common around the world at the present time. Certainly UK English uses them a lot - is it really the case that they were more commonly used in previous years in American English, as it says? I would amend the whole paragraph to talk about English, but I'll leave that to someone else to decide.
Wikipedia is throwing up the crappy mobile version of pages to high resolution tablet screen again. How long till it's fixed? It's unusable.
Surely there are some at Wikipedia of better than Script_kiddie skill levels? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.215.120 ( talk) 15:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
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I remember seeing an NBA TV special on the history of dunks, which I believe used to be illegal in the NBA as well. In any case, I remember specifically a line saying it was considered rude and unsportsmanlike to dunk. It seems significant enough to add to the article, but having no specific source to cite I will not yet add it.
According to Squidbillies, a dunkis a signature white move invented by Larry Bird.
Allen Iverson is not noted for his slam dunk ability, he's slam dunked like maybe four times in his entire career, i've deleted his name. Also, I've heard that someone recently achieved a 720 slam dunk, i will look for more info as to the validity of this, this could be useful for the Trivia section. Theonejanitor 9:38 4 August 2006
Slam Dunk is the code name for the plot by the U.S. military to take over the Presidency in the 1994 major motion picture "The Enemy Within". Since George Tenet can be presumed to have familiarity with this prominent story, his use of the term is ambiguous at best. Rgdboer 06:28, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/28/tenet.weaponsremark.ap/index.html
What?
Jedre 07:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I understand that people want to have an example... but this is: a) confusing since Iraq didn't have WMDs b) entirely too political for an article on Basketball c) out of place
I think the second section ("Dunks in the NBA") has a somewhat odd tone and perhaps even the section itself should be deleted - or rewritten to refect the history of dunks in the NBA. Thoughts? [author1]
Agreed. "no doubt" used twice in same sentence, which is colloquial and also not cited. Players jump higher is not cited (early players couldn't jump high?). Best athletes in the world is unfounded (olympics?). "Though" is capitalized in the middle of a sentence. The passage: "there is some criticism from basketball fundamentalist who say it has damaged the game by corrupting young players into a score first, showboat mindset." contains a singular where there should be a plural and is completly anecdotal.
Paragraph deleted. Jedre 07:48, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Also "the rules have since been altered" re: goaltending is not in reference to a time when they were different.
I've never heard it called a "bang", or a "flush"- maybe in Europe?
1967-1978 is neither correct nor "brief". A link to a conversation with citations about it being lifted beginning 1976, and not officially beginning because of Kareem: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=444206 .
Furthermore - "a term coined" and "the most popular one" are two examples of colloquial language that should be replaced with more formal writing. Jedre 07:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Again - "bang" and "flush"? Can anyone back this up? And the 12 foot world record is hardly so, since most professionals have not attempted. I'd guess someone could make it more than a mere 2 feet above the rim, having watched sportscenter recently. Given that, for one example, Yao Ming's head is at 7'7" or so, I'd say he could manage a 12' dunk. Jedre 05:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
If you watch ESPN college basketball for any significant length of time, you will hear the term "flush" applied to a dunk shot. I have not heard "bang" though. As for the 12-ft record, there may be players who can do better but they would be exceedingly rare. Keep in mind that the very tallest players, including Yao Ming (who is actually only 7'5") have the least jumping ability. It is rare to see players taller than, say 6'10" or so, get off the ground at all. ( Sugar Daddy 15:48, 17 June 2006 (UTC))
It's offensive goal tending deal with it. Dunking has ruined basketball. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:FFC0:2E:4E5:3FFB:4AFF:3435 ( talk) 02:50, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
"Strictly speaking, a dunk is considered as offensive goaltending, and this is why dunks were against regulations in the early days of the game. However due to the immense popularity of dunks they were eventually allowed."
I doubt this passages validity, to my knowledge there have been no regualtions against dunking in the NBA. And in the NCAA dunking was only banned in 1966, hardly early in basketball history. In fact in the early days of basketball, the use of peach baskets would have actually made dunking useless since the ball would have simply bounced right out. If sources can't be provided to back up that claim then it should be removed. -(Brodey)
I seriously second that motion. The logic that it is offensive goaltending makes no sense. If a player grabs the rim, and then dunks, that is illegal, but putting the ball directly through the hoop is in no way, and never has been, offensive goaltending. Offensive goaltending is tipping in a ball that is on or directly above the rim, interfering with the shot.
Jedre 07:24, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
"This is essentialy an offensive goaltend, but the rules have since been altered due to the popularity of dunks."
Will people please stop adding that dunking is offensive goaltending, as well to my knowledge dunking has never been banned in the 60 year history of the nba, therefore no rules were ever changed to accomodate it.- Brodey March 26 2006 (UTC)
If you can't provide evidence that it was ever against the rules in the NBA, then it must be assumed that it never was. If it was against the rules then it shouldn't be that difficult to find proof of it.-- DavidFuzznut 04:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I was just wondering. Does anyone know what the penalty was if somebody dunked in the NCAA from 1967 to 1976? Was it a technical foul or something else? Just wanted to know. Bigbrainkt ( talk) 05:51, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
To BigBoyRubio,
Why did you remove Terence Stansbury from the list? He is listed in the NBA website as a dunker of note in the 80's. He is one of a few dunkers who ever scored perfect-50's in the Slam Dunk competition. He was just unfortunate to dunk at an era where Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, Spud Webb and Michael Jordan reigned supreme. Just because he does not have a wikipedia article does not mean he has to be excluded from the list.
Ykentwegetalong 18:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Anyone have any insight on Women dunkers? WNBA or NCAA highlight links to include? They dunk, too. Jedre 07:52, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Candy Parker, the freshman player at the University of Tennessee, dunked in several games this past season. The number of women who have dunked in college games can probably be counted on one hand though. ( Sugar Daddy 15:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC))
I made somewhat of an ass out of myself by editing an article and reasoning that Candace Parker was the first woman to dunk in the NCAA. The edit I made was still correct, but I felt like a jackass. Sorry, irrelevant, but either that was just because I'm dumb or this part of the article is somewhat confusing because it states the first woman to dunk in an NCAA tournament, but not in the NCAA itself. Maybe we should either find the first woman to do it or just list her as one of the notable female dunkers.
Michelle Snow dunked in college on multiple occasions, but I don't think she was the first. Statalyzer ( talk) 18:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I added a section on women dunkers; see what you all think of it. A significant number of women have done it now, at all levels of play. Leoniceno ( talk) 04:45, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I think that Brittney Griner from Baylor must now be included in this section. Dcrasno ( talk) 19:05, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
As noted in the article, Wilson holds the world record for the highest dunk. As I recall, Wilson's vertical jump was measured at 51.5 inches. This was while he was a player at the University of Memphis.
Is that even actually a dunk? It looks like the ball is about to come off of his fingers. Statalyzer ( talk) 18:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
That picture should be removed. It is not depicting a dunk and is not relevant to this article 66.57.49.115 ( talk) 20:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I replaced the image, in the previous picture it was difficult to see the actual dunk. I feel that the new image does a better job illustration it. Before & After -- $user log ( talk) 22:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I cut out the following section because it is a highly subjective listing in violation of WP:NOR. I replaced it with the more verifiable Category:NBA Slam Dunk Contest champions. Onomatopoeia 14:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Guards
MANU GINOBILI RUDY FERNANDEZ
Forwards
Centers
DWIGHT HOWARD!!!
There should be information on the first dunk, I can not find reliable information, but I find that George Mikan was the first in a professional game. Dysalot 21:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I suggest that the content of this page belongs here, if anywhere. Any thoughts? Feeeshboy 04:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
This dunk is iconic and symbolizes the age of the dunk more so than any other dunk. I'd argue that simply expanding the 'Slam Dunk' section to include 'The Leaner' is doing the leaner a disservice by denying that it holds a special place in basketball lore. It wasn't just a dunk; it was an event. -- Natster237 04:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
What differentiates dunking from so many other sporting feats is the high level of improvisation that can go into a particular dunk. Jordan is easily the most popular dunker of all time because of his ability to create spectacular dunks that had never been fathomed before. The leaner was such an unbelievable occurrence because of its novelty and the fact that it seemed to defy the laws of physics. It was truly a singular, one of a kind work of physical athleticism. Years later it is being voted the greatest dunk of all time, and it has the unique quality of being easily identifiable by name. Just as it holds a special place in basketball lore, without question it should have its own Wiki entry.
Alright guys, my intention wasn't to start a verbal war over an article about a famous dunk lol. I hope the article gets time to grow, either by my hand or somebody elses. It appears, however, that my inability to watch the posts like a hawk all the time might simply make that wish impossible to fulfill. BTW, I didn't write the previous post supporting keeping
the leaner...what would doing something like that accomplish? I might be signing off from Wikipedia for awhile as I don't have the time to constantly follow up on issues like this, but best of luck with your cause, Feeeshyboy.
Natster237 06:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Merge complete. The leaner has been tagged for proposed deletion and redirect to Slam dunk. Feeeshboy 22:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
User:Wolfkeeper is removing content about the phrase related to the slam dunk [2] Can other editors weigh in on whether it should be included? I don't want to engage in edit warring. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 02:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
If a thing had led to a term being coined, then that shows the influence of that object. Saying that the influence an object has had on language cannot be included is saying that we are not allowed to have complete articles. This provides not only simple dictionary definitions, but insights into how language functions. Despite what you think, making an article more complete is not vandalism. Cheers! Scapler ( talk) 17:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Some really interesting points here on both sides, but let's take a step back for a moment and look at the semiotic distinctions that we're making here. An entry in an encyclopedia should be a distinct sign. That is, it contains both a signifier and a signified, and the article describes both. Many articles contain an "origin of the phrase/term/name" section, which comments on the signifier, and then devote most of their content to describing the major characteristics of the thing that is being referred to, i.e. the signified. This is different from the work of a dictionary, which takes signifiers and merely provides the signifieds. We would not have an article on "Slam dunk" if it were merely a turn of phrase. Wolfkeeper points out that the concept is covered by Sure thing, but that page does not describe the turn of phrase or cover anything. It exists only because there are various signs that are encyclopedic that contain the words "sure thing," which are linked. The phrase itself is not encyclopedic.
Let's also examine the function of a disambiguation page: it is to disambiguate between similar signifiers that are really parts of different signs. That is not the case with slam dunk: the slam dunk that is a sure thing is only a sure thing because that's the nature of a slam dunk: you theoretically can't miss the shot (obviously you can, but that's irrelevant). I must emphatically disagree with Wolfkeeper's contention that the phrase has nothing "to do with putting anything in hoop at all". Perhaps in the future, "slam dunk" as a phrase will lose its association with the basketball shot. Perhaps people will stop playing basketball and the phrase will live on (like some archaic phrases such as "'til the cows come home"), although it won't then merit its own Wikipedia article anyway. In the meantime, I contend that the phrase "slam dunk" is very strongly linked to the basketball slam dunk, and that these signs overlap to a sufficient degree that there is ambiguity in the use of the signifier "slam dunk". I suspect that the use of this phrase to mean "a sure thing" is a very recent development, and I would be interested to see if this could be proven. For many, I suspect, George Tenet's use of the phrase was the first time they'd heard it take on this meaning. As a fairly new popular metaphor, as opposed to a cliche, this signifier is still very evocative of the original signified, so one is very likely to associate the "sure thing" with the image of a basketball slam dunk, in much the same way as one cannot say "the greatest thing since sliced bread" without being aware that no such comparison would exist without there being an acknowledged signified of sliced bread. Therefore, I suggest that the section about the use of the phrase is wholly appropriate. Feeeshboy ( talk) 03:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Per the above and the linked discussions, I've found more references regarding the phrase itself, and replaced the article-section with a reduced description of the Tenet example. I've also added a sentence to the introduction, per WP:LEAD. -- Quiddity ( talk) 20:31, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Wolfkeeper, stop edit warring. If you really feel strongly about this take it to dispute resolution (or better yet, just move on).-- Cúchullain t/ c 13:06, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Begging the question (or petitio principii, "assuming the initial point") is a type of logical fallacy in which the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise.
[The fallacy] is committed "when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof." [Welton, James. A Manual of Logic. W.B. Clive, 1905.] More specifically, petitio principii refers to arguing for a conclusion that has already been assumed in the premise.
Please re-read the discussion without disregarding others' views. You'll find your answer. — David Levy 14:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
This is my understanding, of the examples.
Your examples from above:
My examples from before:
The statement that "flambledamble" is slang for "slam dunk" sounded ridiculous enough to Google. There are 24 results as of 1/8/2010, ALL of which place it in the context of this article. Is this a test to see exactly how gullible Wikipedia readers are? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.3.196.217 ( talk) 17:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
"Carter would later go on to comment that he copied these dunks from an article in Slam magazine featuring Jameel Pugh"
This is unsourced. I can't find this anywhere. It should be removed if a proper source is not found, i believe. Idonthavetimeforthiscarp 20:02, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I would like to revamp the slam dunk page as much of the content appears cluttered, and a sizeable portion of the language is informal.
A new module entitled Dunk Types has been already added to provide explanations and examples of the different dunks.
The primary issue with the aforementioned addition will be the bland descriptions of dunks. Perhaps a thumbnail of each could appear to provide visual aid.
The Notable Dunks section deserves to be reorganized into subsections. Perhaps by time period or significant element of the dunks (e.g. 'Broken Backboards', or 'In-Game Dunks'). Additionally, some of the content would be removed and would appear in the new section entitled Dunk Types.
JustinMBarber ( talk) 02:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I suggest merging the newly created Free-throw line dunk into this article which is not unreasonably long. The free-throw line dunk article looks long but a lot of it is unencyclopedic. In particular a list of players who "have dunked from or near the free throw line" is unacceptably vague, subjective and impossible to verify. A more concise exposition would fit in great in the slam dunk article. Pichpich ( talk) 19:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable. Multiworld Wiki ( talk) 23:30, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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There is no reason for Baseline dunk to be a separate article.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 22:50, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
The section "Tomahawk" starts with
and then goes on not explaining what a tomahawk dunk is, except mentioning that both hands are used.
Could somebody please add a sentence desribing what a tomahwk dunk is? Thank you. -- 194.118.252.50 ( talk) 10:27, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
The article says: ... baseball-inspired phrases "it was a grand slam" ...
This is misleading: as Grand_Slam_(disambiguation) says, it comes from Contract Bridge, so it is hardly a "baseball-inspired" phrase.
I have modified the page to use "step up to the plate", which makes the same point. I have corrected the English from "or otherwise an impressive achievement", which is not the right meaning, to "or a similarly impressive achievement".
I don't know why it says "were more commonly used in previous years". These sort of phrases are common around the world at the present time. Certainly UK English uses them a lot - is it really the case that they were more commonly used in previous years in American English, as it says? I would amend the whole paragraph to talk about English, but I'll leave that to someone else to decide.
Wikipedia is throwing up the crappy mobile version of pages to high resolution tablet screen again. How long till it's fixed? It's unusable.
Surely there are some at Wikipedia of better than Script_kiddie skill levels? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.215.120 ( talk) 15:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
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