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This article is like, what, six years old? Seven? And it has been less than 13 months since her new stage name was
inserted into this article, yet it is supposedly what she is "better known as". Bullshit. I've never heard of "Skylar Grey" until I typed in
Holly Brook tonight. Sounds like her publicist has been busy working here. Anyway, what a stupid name change. I can understand why
Henry Deutschendorf would change his name, but "Holly Brook" was a perfectly good name, she had built up a good rep with it, and now it's like she's trying out some Goth shit or something. You took some bad advice sweetheart. My advice is to go back before your fans get too confused.
74.178.230.234 (
talk)
07:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)reply
To begin with, I don't have a problem with
this change that you made: I do agree that she is still better known as Holly Brook (I was as surprised by the change of her name as you are), and that not all of her fanbase built up as "Holly Brook" is aware of the change. However, Holly Brook has adopted "Skylar Grey" as her new name and seems to want to stick with it, hence the changes to this article: originally, there were two articles on her, one called "Holly Brook" and the other "Skylar Grey" before the articles were merged into one when people realized the two women were the same person (it makes no sense to have two articles on one person, or to keep the article as "Holly Brook" when she has changed her name to "Skylar Grey", see the
above two
sections). Finally, this is not the place to criticize her name change, and please don't dismiss the work of multiple editors to this article by implying that her publicist has been involved with it.
Acalamari10:48, 2 December 2011 (UTC)reply
Well, I've been asked to bring this dispute to the talk page, but it looks like someone beat me to it. All I want is to excise the questionable phrase "is better known as Skylar Gray" to the undeniably POV wording "who uses the stage name Skylar Gray". My version is indisputably factual, the current version is not. The current
owner of this article has suggested using a Google search. Well, if he ever hopes to obtain his goal of becoming a sysop, he should become more knowledgable about the limited utility of such searches to decide matters such as this. When a person has adopted a new persona, does he not recognize the role of redirecting pages in such a search (that's right kids, Wikipedia is not the only place with redirects)? Furthermore, while the artist may make a concerted attempt to change her name, that doesn't mean that her fans who purchased her music previously now know her by her new name, because along with her name, she also changed her music, which means she has years of fans that have never heard of her new name, despite the concerted attempt to change her image.
Unlike the writer above, I do not question this article's title. People in the entertainment world can and do change their public names. But this young woman is imply not so famous that we can assume which name she is better known as. Show some real and relevant proof from a reliable source, and I'll gladly listen.
Personally, I think this is clutching at straws. It makes little difference either way. This person in question is known and more popular by the name Skylar Grey. → Lil-℧niquԐ 1- {
Talk } -22:26, 27 April 2014 (UTC)reply
Her stage name is "Skylar Grey". No argument, as I have said earlier. The statement that she is "better known as Skylar Grey", however, is unsubstantiated, and as such, constitutes
original research. It does zero damage to the article to remove the BKA statement. Unless there is something lost by the statement, it should be removed.
50.193.171.69 (
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01:50, 18 June 2014 (UTC)reply
I agree with this, and in fact, some time ago edited the opening accordingly. Now I see this has been reverted without explanation. I shall restore the more objective version.
Unschool06:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Skylar Grey's birth name is Courtney June Hodgen. Her stage names as changed over her music timeline as her taste of music has become her own and without ownership over her mother and father. She was signed before she was 18 years old making it up to her mother's choice on what music she played and sang. Her mother loved folk and country whereas Courtney loved Rap, Hip Hop, and then Metal. She would have to listen to Rap in her bedroom under the covers with headphones on so as not to upset her mother's choice. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Riotgurrl420 (
talk •
contribs)
19:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Invinsible was nominated for
deletion.
The discussion was closed on 12 September 2012 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were
merged into
Skylar Grey. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see
its history; for its talk page, see
here.
This article was nominated for
deletion on 19 November 2010. The result of
the discussion was keep.
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This article is like, what, six years old? Seven? And it has been less than 13 months since her new stage name was
inserted into this article, yet it is supposedly what she is "better known as". Bullshit. I've never heard of "Skylar Grey" until I typed in
Holly Brook tonight. Sounds like her publicist has been busy working here. Anyway, what a stupid name change. I can understand why
Henry Deutschendorf would change his name, but "Holly Brook" was a perfectly good name, she had built up a good rep with it, and now it's like she's trying out some Goth shit or something. You took some bad advice sweetheart. My advice is to go back before your fans get too confused.
74.178.230.234 (
talk)
07:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)reply
To begin with, I don't have a problem with
this change that you made: I do agree that she is still better known as Holly Brook (I was as surprised by the change of her name as you are), and that not all of her fanbase built up as "Holly Brook" is aware of the change. However, Holly Brook has adopted "Skylar Grey" as her new name and seems to want to stick with it, hence the changes to this article: originally, there were two articles on her, one called "Holly Brook" and the other "Skylar Grey" before the articles were merged into one when people realized the two women were the same person (it makes no sense to have two articles on one person, or to keep the article as "Holly Brook" when she has changed her name to "Skylar Grey", see the
above two
sections). Finally, this is not the place to criticize her name change, and please don't dismiss the work of multiple editors to this article by implying that her publicist has been involved with it.
Acalamari10:48, 2 December 2011 (UTC)reply
Well, I've been asked to bring this dispute to the talk page, but it looks like someone beat me to it. All I want is to excise the questionable phrase "is better known as Skylar Gray" to the undeniably POV wording "who uses the stage name Skylar Gray". My version is indisputably factual, the current version is not. The current
owner of this article has suggested using a Google search. Well, if he ever hopes to obtain his goal of becoming a sysop, he should become more knowledgable about the limited utility of such searches to decide matters such as this. When a person has adopted a new persona, does he not recognize the role of redirecting pages in such a search (that's right kids, Wikipedia is not the only place with redirects)? Furthermore, while the artist may make a concerted attempt to change her name, that doesn't mean that her fans who purchased her music previously now know her by her new name, because along with her name, she also changed her music, which means she has years of fans that have never heard of her new name, despite the concerted attempt to change her image.
Unlike the writer above, I do not question this article's title. People in the entertainment world can and do change their public names. But this young woman is imply not so famous that we can assume which name she is better known as. Show some real and relevant proof from a reliable source, and I'll gladly listen.
Personally, I think this is clutching at straws. It makes little difference either way. This person in question is known and more popular by the name Skylar Grey. → Lil-℧niquԐ 1- {
Talk } -22:26, 27 April 2014 (UTC)reply
Her stage name is "Skylar Grey". No argument, as I have said earlier. The statement that she is "better known as Skylar Grey", however, is unsubstantiated, and as such, constitutes
original research. It does zero damage to the article to remove the BKA statement. Unless there is something lost by the statement, it should be removed.
50.193.171.69 (
talk)
01:50, 18 June 2014 (UTC)reply
I agree with this, and in fact, some time ago edited the opening accordingly. Now I see this has been reverted without explanation. I shall restore the more objective version.
Unschool06:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Skylar Grey's birth name is Courtney June Hodgen. Her stage names as changed over her music timeline as her taste of music has become her own and without ownership over her mother and father. She was signed before she was 18 years old making it up to her mother's choice on what music she played and sang. Her mother loved folk and country whereas Courtney loved Rap, Hip Hop, and then Metal. She would have to listen to Rap in her bedroom under the covers with headphones on so as not to upset her mother's choice. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Riotgurrl420 (
talk •
contribs)
19:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)reply