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They have publicly stated that while they themselves are Christians, that their music is not christian music and there is no connection between the two. The page says that they are a christian music band when they are not; i have to dispute the data in the article because of this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.126.87 ( talk) 15:30, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Can you provide evidence to back up this claim? As not only has the band released singles and albums to the Christian market they are exceptionally well known as a christian band with the vast majority of their songs especially from earlier albums (pre Awake) being about Christianity. While admittedly only about 2/3 of the songs on awake are of spirtual nature this still makes them a christian band. They also stated in a recent chat with fans that they are a christian band. ( 116Rebel ( talk) 10:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)).
Not true. Just because a band starts out as a christian band does not mean they never cross over. I'm not disputing the fact that they consider themselves - as people, not as a band - Christians, and I am not disputing the fact that they have in the past created music that can be considered christian, what I AM disputing is the fact that it states that because they consider themselves to be Christians on a personal level that they as a band only make christian music, or that the music itself can not be considered secular music created by people who consider themselves Christians. This is clearly false, as they are involved in a LOT of secular activities with their music and their music is promoted at the seculer level as non-christian music and is considered 'mainstream' and as a result, it would be untrue - and if your a christian would be a sin - to say they only made christian music or are a "christian" band. The lead singer even mentions this issue in an interview he did, and I quote: “There are some radio station program directors that refuse to play our song — not based on the music but on our history, and because we’ve been in the Christian market for 10 years,” says Cooper. “They don’t want anything to do with Skillet. Those are the times where it’s frustrating, where we just want to be judged as musicians. It’s like, judge me like you judge everyone else — on the songs.”.. So really if you respect skillet, you need to look at them as a band, not a christian music band. I think they have earned that, and they clearly don't want to only be in the christian music market; And since they define the type of band they are, that is the same as saying they are not a christian band. They are not a christian band, they are a secular band with members who consider themselves christian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.126.87 ( talk) 20:29, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone actually listened to Awake and Alive, or Comatose. Even if they don't class themselves as Christian Music, they clearly are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.90.75 ( talk) 10:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry but what you say is untrue. They are sold to both the secular and Christian markets and market themselves are a christian band. but if you want to clarify this watch this interview as John is asked during it, if the band is a christian band and he says yes The question is at 16:42. ( http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2720947 )
Unless anyone else has any more questions about this I will remove the disputed Tag within a day or two. ( 116Rebel ( talk) 22:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)).
Skillet is a Christian band and has proved to be so for the following reasons:
While they do appeal to both secular and Christian audiences, the lyrics of over 75% of their songs do refer to God. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.121.249.93 ( talk • contribs) 21:01 27 July 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that if you search "Skillet on wikipedia, it brings you to the fying pan page and ask you if you meant the band up top. But because of Skillets popularity I think it would be best if it took you straight to Skillets band page. or a page that has a list of options. for example. Search, "Lifehouse" a few different ideas come up on one page, it doen't take you to the original and ask you if you meant the band. Anyone know how to change it. even if I figure out how to I won't unless some of you guys agree with me. but. tell me if thats a bad idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesus4u09 ( talk • contribs) 22:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The band name is a reference to a skillet, a frying pan. A band should not outrank a cooking utensil they are named after in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is enough of a pop culture encyclopedia as it is. 67.248.120.140 ( talk) 23:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I think Jay Hall should be mentioned, he was the original drummer in Skillet. Unfortunalty, he left shortly before their first signing. Just throwing it out there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.201.72.170 ( talk) 06:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Can you Provide evidence, i.e a link about this? David - November 17th, 15:49 (NZT) —Preceding
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Is it really necessary to include Collide twice, with different pages for each release? Wouldnt Collide (2003/2004) & a note on the albums page be sufficent?
I added this but wasn't able to create a page for it (think wiki was having some weird login problems) with track list. I got this cd by promoting Alien Youth on message boards, as far as I know there are only 100 copies. There are two new songs on it which are VERY good and an explaination of the song Alien Youth. Track list is as follows:
1. Explaination of Alien Youth 2. Heaven in my Veins 3. Always the Same
there was 2 collide albums: collide, and collide (enhanced version) 0(*_*)0--jesusfreek2 18:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
--jesusfreek2 18:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
do we want to have a skillet in mainstream media section? i added a note about a skillet song in a tv episode under trivia.
User:RanDawg 17:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
That should work. Jesusinmysock 20:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Would someone like to add the fact that "Savior" was nominated for a Grammy? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.169.159.148 ( talk) 16:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC). After further researching skillet i noticed that skillet had recieved a nomination... and i do agree that this should be added.
I've noticed there is a lot of information in here that's not referenced. I've added a bunch of "citation needed" tags; someone more knowledgeable than me should replace these with the appropriate references and sources. Gitman00 17:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Skillet was never "techno". They were "electro-industrial" which is MUCH different. Also, which of their tracks can be considered "punk rock"?!?
The person who removed them is admin, so it isn't vandalism, but the pictures are allowed to be there as they are low-res versions of album covers. and, as the user who deleted them said, they are not flagrant copyright violations. RanDawg 15:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
When was John Cooper ever a Marilyn Manson fan? From things I have read he once attended a Marilyn Manson concert to see what all the hype was about and found it "spirit crushing". I can't imagine him being a fan of Manson's at any point... "I agree John most likely was not a Marilyn Manson fan... but if u find citation refering to this then i guess its possible. I don't think this information would go under a Skillet article... moreless a seperate article on John cooper himslef."
I somewhat agree. John probably just went there to see what the hype was about. I highly doubt John is a fan of Marilyn Manson. But I will look this up to see if he is a fan or not. — Preceding
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@63.248.11.9 You probably saw this:
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/34573/john-cooper-skillet-shares-his-top-ten-monsters
Manson is listed as number 10. What isn't made exactly clear is whether the remarks are Cooper's or whoever wrote the article. Calabe1992 ( talk) 01:14, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
where it says "They span the musical genres from grunge to electro-industrial, nu metal to alternative rock." ...Where? All I see on all of their album pages is either "Christian Rock", "Hard rock" (which is obviously covered by it) and "Alternative metal." If this is true, then the genres need to be added to the page itself plus the correct albums. I only have their latest two, so I wouldn't know what goes where. -- Shatterzer0 06:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The think the main intent of listing those things was to show how the different tracks can vary. The song “Whispers in the Dark” has a metal rock feel to it. The song “Say Goodbye” has a softer ballad and the guitar isn’t the prominent instrument. ( 172.191.101.243 ( talk) 02:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC))
Though I don't know that their musical variation is that extensive, their last two CDs are certainly not representative of all of their music, for example, Alien Youth is not a "Hard Rock" album, and Hey You, I Love Your Soul is not "Alternative Metal". —Preceding
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I noticed that the discography section of this article was just too extensive for the general length of the page, so I decided to create a Skillet discography article. I trimmed down the Discography section of this article, removing the sections that are not so major ("Compilations", "Music videos", "DVDs", "EPs") and that are covered on the band's new discography page that I made. I'm still in the process of organizing the information on the discography page, and making decisions as to what to columns to add to the wikitables and how to present the info, etc. I currently don't have all the information on the Skillet discography article that's contained in this one, so that's why I left "Radio singles" and "Billboard-charting singles" sections in this article. Let me know if all my trimming down of the discography section was too BOLD. I'm planning on trying to improve and rewrite this article anyway. I'm open to any suggestions with this, and with Skillet discography page too, because it feels like Skillet's discography and singles is a lot of information that I'm not quite sure how to organize and present. :) TIA for any feedback, Jamie S93 23:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to be giving this article a major edit for a little while (see the underconstruction tag at the top of the page). I'll be especially working on the "Band history" section; improving the tone, expanding where needed, and adding refs. Feel free to correct any formatting issues or tyops typos I might make in this process, especially in the event that I make several edits, and then leave for a few hours, oblivious to the problem. In other words, if I'm actively around editing the article, I'll probably be spotting and fixing formatting/typo problems if I accidentally make some. I'm hoping to make this a B-class article, so actually I would like collaboration from others if anyone would like to pitch in and help improve the history section with refs, or downsizing those big quotes, as well. Drop a comment here or on my talk page if you have any comments about my edits/this article in general. --
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I'm currently sitting here at the gorge in washington state watching skillet perform and they have a violinist. I didnt see any mention of him on this page. Any idea who he is? -- Kraftlos ( talk) 04:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
May be just a live member. Rmh792 ( talk) 19:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Jonathon Chu plays the Violin and Tate Olsen plays the Cello. They both play live shows and played for the Collide, Comatose, and Awake records. Sometimes Whispers ( talk) 23:00, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know if the new album is going to sound like the older ones (Hard rock,Alternative metal ect...) or more like Comatose (Alternative rock, Pop rock ect...)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.194.188 ( talk) 23:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
somebody put that skillet is an american Christian rock band that started out as a satanic rock band...that is obviously not true & will probobly cause them to loose newly aquired fans who dont know much about them, so im going to fix it... Spartan 346 ( talk) 20:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
well im glad that is cleared up-AC
WHy was the Page for the single "Hero" deleted? As the lead single and a billboard charting song it more than deserves a Page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.32.211 ( talk) 07:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Why don't you make it again? hopefully on one will mess it up again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesus4u09 ( talk • contribs) 00:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
For all this dispute over the genre, I've provided a source for Christian Rock, after someone deleted it. I've since had to replace it twice. Please do not remove sourced genres, all it will be reported as vandalism. If the sources say they are christian rock, that's what they are. Sources outrank personal opinion. Thanks. FlipsidePro09 ( talk) 19:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Should all Dove Awards nominations be listed in the Awards and recognition section or should only the Dove awards in which the band has actually won the award be listed? If so should refferance to the 2003 Dove award nomination be moved into the Alien Youth article? Thanks. ( 116Rebel ( talk) 22:17, 2 April 2010 (UTC)).
Many band articles have a tours section. No bands have a Concerts and Festivals section, particularly when those festivals and concerts are non-notable. It turns those sections into trivia and SPAM. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 13:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Would it be okay if I made refferance to some of the headline acts that Skillet will perform with over the Summer at festivals such as Godsmack, Rob Zombie, Three Days Grace and Daughtry? These shows will most probably be some of the biggest Skillet has done to date (both in terms of size and acts headlining) and thus deserves some mention. ( 116Rebel ( talk) 22:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)).
Symphonic music is with ORCHESTRA,not just with a violin,so in this case YELLOCARD is symphonic pop rock,poor wikiEdit ,Nightwish this is really a symphonic band,skillet is another three days grace,the exies and this kind simples and commeercials bands —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertopinoncerezo ( talk • contribs) 03:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
OK everyone, this page has been locked per a request at WP:AIV because of a dispute for the genre for this band. The article has been locked for 1 week, please use this time on the talk page to come to a decision about what should be counted as the band's genre.-- 5 albert square ( talk) 23:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/accounts/profiles/bjkg47/ and IF this is him which I do't know. It qualifies him as a newswriter. I THINK it may be but Im not sure. DCcomicslover ( talk) 22:05, 24 March 2011 (UTC)DCcomicslover
add www on the front. DCcomicslover ( talk) 16:07, 1 April 2011 (UTC)DCcomicslover
This bands page refers to the band Revis as an associated act. It doesn't explain or expand on this at all though. I've worked on the Revis band article quite a bit, so I'm interested in knowing how they are related. I figured it could be better explained in this article, and be added to the Revis article. (That is, if it's notable. If it's just they toured together once or something then it's not really important.) Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 19:32, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
( 202.124.103.234 ( talk) 23:00, 24 February 2011 (UTC)).
Now anon is coming in and making claims as to frequency of use which is WP:OR and removing sourced material from the infobox. Please find someone who actually states that Skillet is "most commonly classified" as hard rock rather than inserting your own counting which is WP:OR. The complete list of genres must be left in the infobox. Removing them is vandalism. My own WP:OR is contained on Talk:List of Christian metal bands#Skillet article genres and the most common term is rock not hard rock. If anon wants to be taken seriously, an account should be created and discussions should be done though it. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 16:59, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
The next person who reverts anything that's not vandalism, I'm going to believe is taking part in the lame edit war going on and I'll be handing out blocks and/or full-prot'ing the article itself. Please come to an agreement on this talk page about what genre additions/changes should take place, if any. Killiondude ( talk) 17:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Past members are only members who have recorded material with the band. Those who only toured with the band are not to be shown here.
In addition, Kasica should not be shown as a current member as he is still leaving the band. Calabe1992 ( talk) 21:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
User:Live Light removed the genres from the infobox on the article twice with the comment "no sources in infobox". Do you mind showing us the policy?
Live Light also indicates that the genres should be alphabetical, which is also not any policy I'm aware of. We have reached consensus that we want to keep it in the order most frequently used to describe the band.
Finally, Live Light is adding genres that are not sourced. We have sourced "alternative rock", and you replace that with the unsourced "alternative metal". We have sourced "Christian rock" and you replace that with "Christian metal", also without a source to back it up. You remove the sourced rock music completed and change the sourced grunge with post-grunge, which as you won't be surprised to find out is not sourced. That's what's drawing the majority of attention to be honest. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:02, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
It is Wikipedia's policy that genres be separated with commas, not line breaks. Read for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_musical_artist#genre
Please stop changing this. It does not matter what your own preference is. Wikipedia articles are not individually owned and you therefore do not have the right to place your own preference above Wikipedia's policies, rules, and guidelines. Live Light ( talk) 13:08, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
[[Hip hop music|Hip hop]]
rather than [[East Coast hip hop]]
). Genres should be separated with a comma delimiter. Genres should be wikilinked. Use piped links where needed, for example: [[Pop music|Pop]], [[Rock music|rock]]. Note: most genres are not proper nouns and should not be capitalized. However, the first word in a list of multiple genres should be capitalized."
Could someone who's willing take some time and add the "Skillet Singles" template to all the Skillet articles; a few of them already have it. Calabe1992 ( talk) 22:09, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
That genre list is way too large... A good deal of that falls under a few main genres. I suggest changing the genres list to include simply 'Alternative rock', 'Alternative metal', and 'Hard rock', with possibly 'Christian rock' as well. Toa Nidhiki 05 21:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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Not looking to start another genre war, but is it really necessary to list "rock" when there are already several other rock sub-genres listed (alternative rock, hard rock, etc.)? Seems a little redundant to me.-- Invisiboy42293 ( talk) 02:58, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
That's why "Christian rock" and "alternative rock" should be sufficient. "Christian rock" covers all rock styles and includes the Christian side, and "alternative rock" is a more specific style, which is handy when you have a term as broad a s Christian rock, and also includes grunge. Exact same reasoning with Christian metal.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 14:11, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Post-Grunge should be added as a genre, because it is mentioned in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.19.243.169 ( talk) 19:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi! I'm kinda new to wikipedia, and I was having tons of problems with copyright. I'd love to change the Skillet (band) photo, because the current one is extremely out of date. I'd really like some help uploading a current image with the correct copyright tags. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkilletIsMyLife ( talk • contribs) 22:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Anon from London (81.108.161.238) has been removing "an American" adjectival phrase from the lede sentence. The point is that one member of the band is non-American and so it can't be an American band. I'm about to change the lede to reflect where it was formed and remove the phrase, but if someone would like to restore the current state, feel free. I personally don't like including nationality in lede sentences, but that appears to be both what is common in other articles and has been here for a long time. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 17:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I have accidentally removed something that I didn't want to remove. I have recently saw an interview on TV about skillet and the lead singer (John Cooper) said that he does not like his band to be labeled as metal (Sorry, but I don't have anything to show prove). So I just wanted to remove the genre "Nu-metal" and "symphonic metal". I also think this should be done because they are not a metal band. As said under the wiki page Nu-Metal, "Nu metal also derives influences from multiple sub-genres of heavy metal including rap metal, funk metal, alternative metal and thrash metal" it is not correct that Skillet is even under this because they do not fit in any of the other categories. For example, thrash metal is "a subgenre of heavy metal that is characterized most typically by its fast tempo and aggression. (Wiki page Thrash Metal)" Instead Skillet brings no fast tempos and are not aggressive. Tempo is self-explainatory but they are not considered aggressive because vocally, thrash metal has to employ an aggressive voice, but does not have that. Instated, they have a guy singing his lycris like a pop song along with a girl singing the same way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.101.112.214 ( talk • contribs) 22:59 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I believe the list of "members" on the right-hand column is wrong. While Jonathan Chu and Tate Olsen are part of the touring band, I do not believe they are part of the "band" which makes up Skillet, and it needs to be changed, unless something has changed with the lineup I am not aware of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.83.134.131 ( talk) 16:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Can anyone help add some reviews to this article to show it meets WP:NABLUM or WP:GNG? It's beent agged for notability for 7 years. Best wishes, Boleyn ( talk) 18:02, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Why is Skillet Dressed in Scarlet in the picture? Satan dresses in that color. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:DFC0:5B:C41:4A28:38FC:794F ( talk) 02:02, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Hey buddy if you check out Skillet's videos on YouTube, you will see that the last three videos have a Warner Bros. Records symbol in the bottom corners. That is why I am changing the page. Korbin Kilbarger ( talk) 08:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Per this edit, John Cooper is the band's lead vocalist. While Ledger has sung lead on a few songs, she is not the band's lead vocalist and it is not correct to list her as such.
The band's first album lists all three members, Cooper, McClurkin and Steorts, as doing "vocals". They don't distinguish lead and background vocals on the first album. By the time of HYILYS, only Cooper is listed as doing "vocals". We should do more research before changing that content. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 13:44, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
I would say you are correct. For Ledger I think: Backing Vocals and Co-Lead Vocals are the best fit. Zackmadd ( talk) 22:46, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
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The former drummer Lori Peters doent appear to meet WP:MUSIC apart from the band. She also appears to have zero independent coverage, and has not done any serious solo work or work with another notable band. So I think it would be apropriate to merge anything useful to this article, then redirect the article. -- Kraftlos ( Talk | Contrib) 01:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC
She was with the band for 6ish years and was very notable during her career with the band I think it would be a bit to hasty to merge her article for a while anyway. Especially now with a new Skillet album coming out she may make a statement about it in the media, or even make an announcement about a new project or something. I don't recall the specifics but Panhead.com had an artical up about how she was doing a while back, maybe you could look into that. 9:23, 24th August (NZT)
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This is the proposed change: The band's style has been described as Christian rock, [1] [2] [3] Christian metal, [4] [5] alternative rock, [1] [2] hard rock, [2] [3] nu metal, [4] and symphonic metal. [4] The band's eponymous debut album characterized by its grunge influences, while their follow-up album, Hey You, I Love Your Soul was noted for "its electronic elements and industrial feel." [6]
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The problem I have with the change is that it removes genres listed in the infobox. I don't believe either set of sources are better. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 19:20, 13 February 2016 (UTC) @ Synthwave.94: I'm OK with you removing your edit warring notice, but be warned, you're at WP:3RR and you have not discussed changes. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 19:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Yes this will work Mcgrewkaelan98 ( talk) 23:10, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm missing more sales volumes. The timeline graphic is nice (should become a WP standard!), but please use SVG graphics format for better maintainance!-- Mideal ( talk) 05:50, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
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I was wondering, can we make it say "Skillet is an American Christian rock and hard rock band...?" They are the one of the biggest crossover bands as of right now. Eli Sellers ( talk) 02:25, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
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They have publicly stated that while they themselves are Christians, that their music is not christian music and there is no connection between the two. The page says that they are a christian music band when they are not; i have to dispute the data in the article because of this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.126.87 ( talk) 15:30, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Can you provide evidence to back up this claim? As not only has the band released singles and albums to the Christian market they are exceptionally well known as a christian band with the vast majority of their songs especially from earlier albums (pre Awake) being about Christianity. While admittedly only about 2/3 of the songs on awake are of spirtual nature this still makes them a christian band. They also stated in a recent chat with fans that they are a christian band. ( 116Rebel ( talk) 10:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)).
Not true. Just because a band starts out as a christian band does not mean they never cross over. I'm not disputing the fact that they consider themselves - as people, not as a band - Christians, and I am not disputing the fact that they have in the past created music that can be considered christian, what I AM disputing is the fact that it states that because they consider themselves to be Christians on a personal level that they as a band only make christian music, or that the music itself can not be considered secular music created by people who consider themselves Christians. This is clearly false, as they are involved in a LOT of secular activities with their music and their music is promoted at the seculer level as non-christian music and is considered 'mainstream' and as a result, it would be untrue - and if your a christian would be a sin - to say they only made christian music or are a "christian" band. The lead singer even mentions this issue in an interview he did, and I quote: “There are some radio station program directors that refuse to play our song — not based on the music but on our history, and because we’ve been in the Christian market for 10 years,” says Cooper. “They don’t want anything to do with Skillet. Those are the times where it’s frustrating, where we just want to be judged as musicians. It’s like, judge me like you judge everyone else — on the songs.”.. So really if you respect skillet, you need to look at them as a band, not a christian music band. I think they have earned that, and they clearly don't want to only be in the christian music market; And since they define the type of band they are, that is the same as saying they are not a christian band. They are not a christian band, they are a secular band with members who consider themselves christian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.126.87 ( talk) 20:29, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Has anyone actually listened to Awake and Alive, or Comatose. Even if they don't class themselves as Christian Music, they clearly are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.90.75 ( talk) 10:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry but what you say is untrue. They are sold to both the secular and Christian markets and market themselves are a christian band. but if you want to clarify this watch this interview as John is asked during it, if the band is a christian band and he says yes The question is at 16:42. ( http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2720947 )
Unless anyone else has any more questions about this I will remove the disputed Tag within a day or two. ( 116Rebel ( talk) 22:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)).
Skillet is a Christian band and has proved to be so for the following reasons:
While they do appeal to both secular and Christian audiences, the lyrics of over 75% of their songs do refer to God. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.121.249.93 ( talk • contribs) 21:01 27 July 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that if you search "Skillet on wikipedia, it brings you to the fying pan page and ask you if you meant the band up top. But because of Skillets popularity I think it would be best if it took you straight to Skillets band page. or a page that has a list of options. for example. Search, "Lifehouse" a few different ideas come up on one page, it doen't take you to the original and ask you if you meant the band. Anyone know how to change it. even if I figure out how to I won't unless some of you guys agree with me. but. tell me if thats a bad idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesus4u09 ( talk • contribs) 22:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The band name is a reference to a skillet, a frying pan. A band should not outrank a cooking utensil they are named after in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is enough of a pop culture encyclopedia as it is. 67.248.120.140 ( talk) 23:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I think Jay Hall should be mentioned, he was the original drummer in Skillet. Unfortunalty, he left shortly before their first signing. Just throwing it out there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.201.72.170 ( talk) 06:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Can you Provide evidence, i.e a link about this? David - November 17th, 15:49 (NZT) —Preceding
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Is it really necessary to include Collide twice, with different pages for each release? Wouldnt Collide (2003/2004) & a note on the albums page be sufficent?
I added this but wasn't able to create a page for it (think wiki was having some weird login problems) with track list. I got this cd by promoting Alien Youth on message boards, as far as I know there are only 100 copies. There are two new songs on it which are VERY good and an explaination of the song Alien Youth. Track list is as follows:
1. Explaination of Alien Youth 2. Heaven in my Veins 3. Always the Same
there was 2 collide albums: collide, and collide (enhanced version) 0(*_*)0--jesusfreek2 18:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
--jesusfreek2 18:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
do we want to have a skillet in mainstream media section? i added a note about a skillet song in a tv episode under trivia.
User:RanDawg 17:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
That should work. Jesusinmysock 20:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Would someone like to add the fact that "Savior" was nominated for a Grammy? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.169.159.148 ( talk) 16:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC). After further researching skillet i noticed that skillet had recieved a nomination... and i do agree that this should be added.
I've noticed there is a lot of information in here that's not referenced. I've added a bunch of "citation needed" tags; someone more knowledgeable than me should replace these with the appropriate references and sources. Gitman00 17:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Skillet was never "techno". They were "electro-industrial" which is MUCH different. Also, which of their tracks can be considered "punk rock"?!?
The person who removed them is admin, so it isn't vandalism, but the pictures are allowed to be there as they are low-res versions of album covers. and, as the user who deleted them said, they are not flagrant copyright violations. RanDawg 15:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
When was John Cooper ever a Marilyn Manson fan? From things I have read he once attended a Marilyn Manson concert to see what all the hype was about and found it "spirit crushing". I can't imagine him being a fan of Manson's at any point... "I agree John most likely was not a Marilyn Manson fan... but if u find citation refering to this then i guess its possible. I don't think this information would go under a Skillet article... moreless a seperate article on John cooper himslef."
I somewhat agree. John probably just went there to see what the hype was about. I highly doubt John is a fan of Marilyn Manson. But I will look this up to see if he is a fan or not. — Preceding
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@63.248.11.9 You probably saw this:
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/34573/john-cooper-skillet-shares-his-top-ten-monsters
Manson is listed as number 10. What isn't made exactly clear is whether the remarks are Cooper's or whoever wrote the article. Calabe1992 ( talk) 01:14, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
where it says "They span the musical genres from grunge to electro-industrial, nu metal to alternative rock." ...Where? All I see on all of their album pages is either "Christian Rock", "Hard rock" (which is obviously covered by it) and "Alternative metal." If this is true, then the genres need to be added to the page itself plus the correct albums. I only have their latest two, so I wouldn't know what goes where. -- Shatterzer0 06:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The think the main intent of listing those things was to show how the different tracks can vary. The song “Whispers in the Dark” has a metal rock feel to it. The song “Say Goodbye” has a softer ballad and the guitar isn’t the prominent instrument. ( 172.191.101.243 ( talk) 02:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC))
Though I don't know that their musical variation is that extensive, their last two CDs are certainly not representative of all of their music, for example, Alien Youth is not a "Hard Rock" album, and Hey You, I Love Your Soul is not "Alternative Metal". —Preceding
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I noticed that the discography section of this article was just too extensive for the general length of the page, so I decided to create a Skillet discography article. I trimmed down the Discography section of this article, removing the sections that are not so major ("Compilations", "Music videos", "DVDs", "EPs") and that are covered on the band's new discography page that I made. I'm still in the process of organizing the information on the discography page, and making decisions as to what to columns to add to the wikitables and how to present the info, etc. I currently don't have all the information on the Skillet discography article that's contained in this one, so that's why I left "Radio singles" and "Billboard-charting singles" sections in this article. Let me know if all my trimming down of the discography section was too BOLD. I'm planning on trying to improve and rewrite this article anyway. I'm open to any suggestions with this, and with Skillet discography page too, because it feels like Skillet's discography and singles is a lot of information that I'm not quite sure how to organize and present. :) TIA for any feedback, Jamie S93 23:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to be giving this article a major edit for a little while (see the underconstruction tag at the top of the page). I'll be especially working on the "Band history" section; improving the tone, expanding where needed, and adding refs. Feel free to correct any formatting issues or tyops typos I might make in this process, especially in the event that I make several edits, and then leave for a few hours, oblivious to the problem. In other words, if I'm actively around editing the article, I'll probably be spotting and fixing formatting/typo problems if I accidentally make some. I'm hoping to make this a B-class article, so actually I would like collaboration from others if anyone would like to pitch in and help improve the history section with refs, or downsizing those big quotes, as well. Drop a comment here or on my talk page if you have any comments about my edits/this article in general. --
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I'm currently sitting here at the gorge in washington state watching skillet perform and they have a violinist. I didnt see any mention of him on this page. Any idea who he is? -- Kraftlos ( talk) 04:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
May be just a live member. Rmh792 ( talk) 19:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Jonathon Chu plays the Violin and Tate Olsen plays the Cello. They both play live shows and played for the Collide, Comatose, and Awake records. Sometimes Whispers ( talk) 23:00, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know if the new album is going to sound like the older ones (Hard rock,Alternative metal ect...) or more like Comatose (Alternative rock, Pop rock ect...)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.194.188 ( talk) 23:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
somebody put that skillet is an american Christian rock band that started out as a satanic rock band...that is obviously not true & will probobly cause them to loose newly aquired fans who dont know much about them, so im going to fix it... Spartan 346 ( talk) 20:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
well im glad that is cleared up-AC
WHy was the Page for the single "Hero" deleted? As the lead single and a billboard charting song it more than deserves a Page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.32.211 ( talk) 07:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree. Why don't you make it again? hopefully on one will mess it up again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesus4u09 ( talk • contribs) 00:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
For all this dispute over the genre, I've provided a source for Christian Rock, after someone deleted it. I've since had to replace it twice. Please do not remove sourced genres, all it will be reported as vandalism. If the sources say they are christian rock, that's what they are. Sources outrank personal opinion. Thanks. FlipsidePro09 ( talk) 19:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Should all Dove Awards nominations be listed in the Awards and recognition section or should only the Dove awards in which the band has actually won the award be listed? If so should refferance to the 2003 Dove award nomination be moved into the Alien Youth article? Thanks. ( 116Rebel ( talk) 22:17, 2 April 2010 (UTC)).
Many band articles have a tours section. No bands have a Concerts and Festivals section, particularly when those festivals and concerts are non-notable. It turns those sections into trivia and SPAM. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 13:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Would it be okay if I made refferance to some of the headline acts that Skillet will perform with over the Summer at festivals such as Godsmack, Rob Zombie, Three Days Grace and Daughtry? These shows will most probably be some of the biggest Skillet has done to date (both in terms of size and acts headlining) and thus deserves some mention. ( 116Rebel ( talk) 22:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)).
Symphonic music is with ORCHESTRA,not just with a violin,so in this case YELLOCARD is symphonic pop rock,poor wikiEdit ,Nightwish this is really a symphonic band,skillet is another three days grace,the exies and this kind simples and commeercials bands —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertopinoncerezo ( talk • contribs) 03:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
OK everyone, this page has been locked per a request at WP:AIV because of a dispute for the genre for this band. The article has been locked for 1 week, please use this time on the talk page to come to a decision about what should be counted as the band's genre.-- 5 albert square ( talk) 23:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/accounts/profiles/bjkg47/ and IF this is him which I do't know. It qualifies him as a newswriter. I THINK it may be but Im not sure. DCcomicslover ( talk) 22:05, 24 March 2011 (UTC)DCcomicslover
add www on the front. DCcomicslover ( talk) 16:07, 1 April 2011 (UTC)DCcomicslover
This bands page refers to the band Revis as an associated act. It doesn't explain or expand on this at all though. I've worked on the Revis band article quite a bit, so I'm interested in knowing how they are related. I figured it could be better explained in this article, and be added to the Revis article. (That is, if it's notable. If it's just they toured together once or something then it's not really important.) Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 19:32, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
( 202.124.103.234 ( talk) 23:00, 24 February 2011 (UTC)).
Now anon is coming in and making claims as to frequency of use which is WP:OR and removing sourced material from the infobox. Please find someone who actually states that Skillet is "most commonly classified" as hard rock rather than inserting your own counting which is WP:OR. The complete list of genres must be left in the infobox. Removing them is vandalism. My own WP:OR is contained on Talk:List of Christian metal bands#Skillet article genres and the most common term is rock not hard rock. If anon wants to be taken seriously, an account should be created and discussions should be done though it. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 16:59, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
The next person who reverts anything that's not vandalism, I'm going to believe is taking part in the lame edit war going on and I'll be handing out blocks and/or full-prot'ing the article itself. Please come to an agreement on this talk page about what genre additions/changes should take place, if any. Killiondude ( talk) 17:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Past members are only members who have recorded material with the band. Those who only toured with the band are not to be shown here.
In addition, Kasica should not be shown as a current member as he is still leaving the band. Calabe1992 ( talk) 21:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
User:Live Light removed the genres from the infobox on the article twice with the comment "no sources in infobox". Do you mind showing us the policy?
Live Light also indicates that the genres should be alphabetical, which is also not any policy I'm aware of. We have reached consensus that we want to keep it in the order most frequently used to describe the band.
Finally, Live Light is adding genres that are not sourced. We have sourced "alternative rock", and you replace that with the unsourced "alternative metal". We have sourced "Christian rock" and you replace that with "Christian metal", also without a source to back it up. You remove the sourced rock music completed and change the sourced grunge with post-grunge, which as you won't be surprised to find out is not sourced. That's what's drawing the majority of attention to be honest. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:02, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
It is Wikipedia's policy that genres be separated with commas, not line breaks. Read for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_musical_artist#genre
Please stop changing this. It does not matter what your own preference is. Wikipedia articles are not individually owned and you therefore do not have the right to place your own preference above Wikipedia's policies, rules, and guidelines. Live Light ( talk) 13:08, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
[[Hip hop music|Hip hop]]
rather than [[East Coast hip hop]]
). Genres should be separated with a comma delimiter. Genres should be wikilinked. Use piped links where needed, for example: [[Pop music|Pop]], [[Rock music|rock]]. Note: most genres are not proper nouns and should not be capitalized. However, the first word in a list of multiple genres should be capitalized."
Could someone who's willing take some time and add the "Skillet Singles" template to all the Skillet articles; a few of them already have it. Calabe1992 ( talk) 22:09, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
That genre list is way too large... A good deal of that falls under a few main genres. I suggest changing the genres list to include simply 'Alternative rock', 'Alternative metal', and 'Hard rock', with possibly 'Christian rock' as well. Toa Nidhiki 05 21:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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Not looking to start another genre war, but is it really necessary to list "rock" when there are already several other rock sub-genres listed (alternative rock, hard rock, etc.)? Seems a little redundant to me.-- Invisiboy42293 ( talk) 02:58, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
That's why "Christian rock" and "alternative rock" should be sufficient. "Christian rock" covers all rock styles and includes the Christian side, and "alternative rock" is a more specific style, which is handy when you have a term as broad a s Christian rock, and also includes grunge. Exact same reasoning with Christian metal.-- ¿3fam ily6 contribs 14:11, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Post-Grunge should be added as a genre, because it is mentioned in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.19.243.169 ( talk) 19:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi! I'm kinda new to wikipedia, and I was having tons of problems with copyright. I'd love to change the Skillet (band) photo, because the current one is extremely out of date. I'd really like some help uploading a current image with the correct copyright tags. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkilletIsMyLife ( talk • contribs) 22:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Anon from London (81.108.161.238) has been removing "an American" adjectival phrase from the lede sentence. The point is that one member of the band is non-American and so it can't be an American band. I'm about to change the lede to reflect where it was formed and remove the phrase, but if someone would like to restore the current state, feel free. I personally don't like including nationality in lede sentences, but that appears to be both what is common in other articles and has been here for a long time. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 17:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I have accidentally removed something that I didn't want to remove. I have recently saw an interview on TV about skillet and the lead singer (John Cooper) said that he does not like his band to be labeled as metal (Sorry, but I don't have anything to show prove). So I just wanted to remove the genre "Nu-metal" and "symphonic metal". I also think this should be done because they are not a metal band. As said under the wiki page Nu-Metal, "Nu metal also derives influences from multiple sub-genres of heavy metal including rap metal, funk metal, alternative metal and thrash metal" it is not correct that Skillet is even under this because they do not fit in any of the other categories. For example, thrash metal is "a subgenre of heavy metal that is characterized most typically by its fast tempo and aggression. (Wiki page Thrash Metal)" Instead Skillet brings no fast tempos and are not aggressive. Tempo is self-explainatory but they are not considered aggressive because vocally, thrash metal has to employ an aggressive voice, but does not have that. Instated, they have a guy singing his lycris like a pop song along with a girl singing the same way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.101.112.214 ( talk • contribs) 22:59 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I believe the list of "members" on the right-hand column is wrong. While Jonathan Chu and Tate Olsen are part of the touring band, I do not believe they are part of the "band" which makes up Skillet, and it needs to be changed, unless something has changed with the lineup I am not aware of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.83.134.131 ( talk) 16:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Can anyone help add some reviews to this article to show it meets WP:NABLUM or WP:GNG? It's beent agged for notability for 7 years. Best wishes, Boleyn ( talk) 18:02, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Why is Skillet Dressed in Scarlet in the picture? Satan dresses in that color. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:DFC0:5B:C41:4A28:38FC:794F ( talk) 02:02, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Hey buddy if you check out Skillet's videos on YouTube, you will see that the last three videos have a Warner Bros. Records symbol in the bottom corners. That is why I am changing the page. Korbin Kilbarger ( talk) 08:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Per this edit, John Cooper is the band's lead vocalist. While Ledger has sung lead on a few songs, she is not the band's lead vocalist and it is not correct to list her as such.
The band's first album lists all three members, Cooper, McClurkin and Steorts, as doing "vocals". They don't distinguish lead and background vocals on the first album. By the time of HYILYS, only Cooper is listed as doing "vocals". We should do more research before changing that content. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 13:44, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
I would say you are correct. For Ledger I think: Backing Vocals and Co-Lead Vocals are the best fit. Zackmadd ( talk) 22:46, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
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The former drummer Lori Peters doent appear to meet WP:MUSIC apart from the band. She also appears to have zero independent coverage, and has not done any serious solo work or work with another notable band. So I think it would be apropriate to merge anything useful to this article, then redirect the article. -- Kraftlos ( Talk | Contrib) 01:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC
She was with the band for 6ish years and was very notable during her career with the band I think it would be a bit to hasty to merge her article for a while anyway. Especially now with a new Skillet album coming out she may make a statement about it in the media, or even make an announcement about a new project or something. I don't recall the specifics but Panhead.com had an artical up about how she was doing a while back, maybe you could look into that. 9:23, 24th August (NZT)
Skillet will need this Mcgrewkaelan98 ( talk) 23:10, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
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This is the proposed change: The band's style has been described as Christian rock, [1] [2] [3] Christian metal, [4] [5] alternative rock, [1] [2] hard rock, [2] [3] nu metal, [4] and symphonic metal. [4] The band's eponymous debut album characterized by its grunge influences, while their follow-up album, Hey You, I Love Your Soul was noted for "its electronic elements and industrial feel." [6]
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The problem I have with the change is that it removes genres listed in the infobox. I don't believe either set of sources are better. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 19:20, 13 February 2016 (UTC) @ Synthwave.94: I'm OK with you removing your edit warring notice, but be warned, you're at WP:3RR and you have not discussed changes. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 19:21, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Yes this will work Mcgrewkaelan98 ( talk) 23:10, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm missing more sales volumes. The timeline graphic is nice (should become a WP standard!), but please use SVG graphics format for better maintainance!-- Mideal ( talk) 05:50, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
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I was wondering, can we make it say "Skillet is an American Christian rock and hard rock band...?" They are the one of the biggest crossover bands as of right now. Eli Sellers ( talk) 02:25, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
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