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When I was a pupil at Eltham Church of England School, we were provided with hot cross buns on the anniversary of the Battle of Severndroog - does this still happen ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.242.231 ( talk) 17:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Johannes Schade ( talk · contribs) 14:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Good day
User:Dabberoni15, if I may call you so. I propose to review your GA nomination “
Sir William James, 1st Baronet”. Admittedly, I am only an apprentice-reviewer, whereas you are have already 9 GAs. I must also warn you that my English is 2nd language and that I am no subject-matter expert. I will propose corrections and suggest optional improvements. The corrections rely on the GA criteria (WP:GACR). Some are tentative. Please tell me when you disagree with a correction. I am probably wrong. You can ignore my suggestions. They have no effect on the article's promotion. Should I lack in respect, complain (see WP:CIVIL). You can have me banned.
I start a first traverse.
|birth_date=
- According to the documentation the {{
Birth date}} (see TEMPLATE:BIRTH DATE) should not be used with non-Gregorian dates. England and Wales changed in 1752. His birth date (1721) therefore is given in the
Julian calendar.
|commands=
- What does HCS stand for?
|battles=
- What does Gheria refer to as the linked article does not mention the name?
MOS:LEAD SECTION MOS:LEADLENGTH - The lead seems too long. It comprises 4 paragraphs. GACR Rule 1b prescribes compliance with MOS:LEAD SECTION of which MOS:LEADLENGTH is a part. This latter rule prescribes in terms of numeric length it states that an article with less than 15000 characters (your case) should consist of 1 or 2 paragraphs. Therefore, shorten or reorganise your lead in 2 paragraphs.
—With thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 14:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Historians have noted that information about his parents is extremely scarce;– GACR Rule 1a, "concise"; "Information about his parents is extremely scarce;" would be entirely sufficient to communicate the fact. The "Historians have noted the" is too much. Quite obviously, all our information must come from a source, quite often a historian. Their names will appear in the corresponding citation, normally not in the text, except when there are special circumstances like there is a doubt, a contradiction, or the source is known to be biased. Not our case here.
Nathaniel Wraxall wrote that ...- GACR Rule 1a, "understanding"; Shortly introduce Wraxall to the reader, possibly as a colleague at the East India Comany (I am not so sure whether this is true).
{{sfn|Bowyer|2004}}- I wonder why you cite the ODBC article on James from the online version rather than from the book. Like probably most readers, I cannot access the online version. The entry for the ODBC article in the source list says "subscription or UK public library required". This is quite restrictive, but the truth is worse. I live in Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK, and am a member of the local public library, but I cannot get access. At the library they told me that "Libraries NI" (NI=Northern Ireland) do not subscribe to the ODNB. I can however, like anybody, register at Internet Archive and read the ODNB there at https://archive.org/details/isbn_0198613792/page/746/. So why make things more difficult for the reader? However, you are not the only one. I have seen others who prefer to cite the online version. I do not understand why.
—With thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 09:37, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
On April 1755 ...- GACR Rule 1a, "grammarg"; This should be "In April 1755 ..."
Hooghly River ...- GACR Rule 1a, "understanding"; I do not think you can expect the reader to know that river, or rather arm of the Ganges at its delta. The importance was that the French possession of Chandernagor was on this river just upstream of Kolkata.
... traversing the Bay of Bengal ...- GACR Rule 1a, "understanding"; To go from Bombay to the Hooghly River along the shortest route one would go around the southern point of India and up the East (Bengal) coast, not traverse (go across) the Bay of Bengal.
—Thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 19:30, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
James's baronetcy is also described by Cokayne (1906) at https://archive.org/details/completebaroneta05coka/page/199/. Cokayne says his son was born about 1774 and died aged 18. I wondered whether it would not be better to move most of the facts (e.g. mariages, births of children) from the section "Personal life, family and legacy" to the places where they belong according to their chronological position in his life, and reduce that last section only to his death and legacy.
—Dear Dabberoni15, I have to ask you for some patience. I will be away from the 27 to the 30 of June. I will then continue the review. With thanks, Johannes Schade ( talk) 15:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Dear Dabberoni15, don't apologise. I just wnated to try It looked like an optional improvement in my eyes. It is quite obvious from the Good Articl criteria (GACR), especially rule 1b and its footnote, that MOS:CHRONOLOGICAL cannot be enforced at the level of GA. This will therefore have to be rediscussed when you go for FA. Congratulations. This conforms with the GA criteria. I will promote this now to GA.
Sir William James, 1st Baronet has been listed as one of the
History good articles under the
good article criteria. If you can improve it further,
please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can
reassess it. Review: July 2, 2022. ( Reviewed version). |
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When I was a pupil at Eltham Church of England School, we were provided with hot cross buns on the anniversary of the Battle of Severndroog - does this still happen ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.242.231 ( talk) 17:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Johannes Schade ( talk · contribs) 14:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Good day
User:Dabberoni15, if I may call you so. I propose to review your GA nomination “
Sir William James, 1st Baronet”. Admittedly, I am only an apprentice-reviewer, whereas you are have already 9 GAs. I must also warn you that my English is 2nd language and that I am no subject-matter expert. I will propose corrections and suggest optional improvements. The corrections rely on the GA criteria (WP:GACR). Some are tentative. Please tell me when you disagree with a correction. I am probably wrong. You can ignore my suggestions. They have no effect on the article's promotion. Should I lack in respect, complain (see WP:CIVIL). You can have me banned.
I start a first traverse.
|birth_date=
- According to the documentation the {{
Birth date}} (see TEMPLATE:BIRTH DATE) should not be used with non-Gregorian dates. England and Wales changed in 1752. His birth date (1721) therefore is given in the
Julian calendar.
|commands=
- What does HCS stand for?
|battles=
- What does Gheria refer to as the linked article does not mention the name?
MOS:LEAD SECTION MOS:LEADLENGTH - The lead seems too long. It comprises 4 paragraphs. GACR Rule 1b prescribes compliance with MOS:LEAD SECTION of which MOS:LEADLENGTH is a part. This latter rule prescribes in terms of numeric length it states that an article with less than 15000 characters (your case) should consist of 1 or 2 paragraphs. Therefore, shorten or reorganise your lead in 2 paragraphs.
—With thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 14:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Historians have noted that information about his parents is extremely scarce;– GACR Rule 1a, "concise"; "Information about his parents is extremely scarce;" would be entirely sufficient to communicate the fact. The "Historians have noted the" is too much. Quite obviously, all our information must come from a source, quite often a historian. Their names will appear in the corresponding citation, normally not in the text, except when there are special circumstances like there is a doubt, a contradiction, or the source is known to be biased. Not our case here.
Nathaniel Wraxall wrote that ...- GACR Rule 1a, "understanding"; Shortly introduce Wraxall to the reader, possibly as a colleague at the East India Comany (I am not so sure whether this is true).
{{sfn|Bowyer|2004}}- I wonder why you cite the ODBC article on James from the online version rather than from the book. Like probably most readers, I cannot access the online version. The entry for the ODBC article in the source list says "subscription or UK public library required". This is quite restrictive, but the truth is worse. I live in Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK, and am a member of the local public library, but I cannot get access. At the library they told me that "Libraries NI" (NI=Northern Ireland) do not subscribe to the ODNB. I can however, like anybody, register at Internet Archive and read the ODNB there at https://archive.org/details/isbn_0198613792/page/746/. So why make things more difficult for the reader? However, you are not the only one. I have seen others who prefer to cite the online version. I do not understand why.
—With thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 09:37, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
On April 1755 ...- GACR Rule 1a, "grammarg"; This should be "In April 1755 ..."
Hooghly River ...- GACR Rule 1a, "understanding"; I do not think you can expect the reader to know that river, or rather arm of the Ganges at its delta. The importance was that the French possession of Chandernagor was on this river just upstream of Kolkata.
... traversing the Bay of Bengal ...- GACR Rule 1a, "understanding"; To go from Bombay to the Hooghly River along the shortest route one would go around the southern point of India and up the East (Bengal) coast, not traverse (go across) the Bay of Bengal.
—Thanks and best regards, Johannes Schade ( talk) 19:30, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
James's baronetcy is also described by Cokayne (1906) at https://archive.org/details/completebaroneta05coka/page/199/. Cokayne says his son was born about 1774 and died aged 18. I wondered whether it would not be better to move most of the facts (e.g. mariages, births of children) from the section "Personal life, family and legacy" to the places where they belong according to their chronological position in his life, and reduce that last section only to his death and legacy.
—Dear Dabberoni15, I have to ask you for some patience. I will be away from the 27 to the 30 of June. I will then continue the review. With thanks, Johannes Schade ( talk) 15:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Dear Dabberoni15, don't apologise. I just wnated to try It looked like an optional improvement in my eyes. It is quite obvious from the Good Articl criteria (GACR), especially rule 1b and its footnote, that MOS:CHRONOLOGICAL cannot be enforced at the level of GA. This will therefore have to be rediscussed when you go for FA. Congratulations. This conforms with the GA criteria. I will promote this now to GA.