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The U20 did fire one torpedo, its second last (which made a return journey necessary, the regulations stipulated that one torpedo must be kept for the home journey). The crew and captain of U20 had no intention of sinking the ship (despite of what the German war time propaganda may have written at the time) - the single torpedo wouldn't be enough to sink such a large vessel. But a huge explosion was heard a few seconds after the impact of the torpedo. US customs papers shows that Britain (without the captain's knowlidge) in secret transported tons of ammunition. This made Lusitania a legal target, but much more important - without the ammuniotion as cargo , Lusitania wouldn't have sunk at all. This has been proved even by a BBC documentary. The BBC also made a (very good) film about this sad event, starring John Hannah. Yet this article lead still 100 years afterwards sounds like war time propaganda. Later, the British admirality attempted to blame the surviving captain (who was a good swimmer). Luckelly for him, the sea court had a very thourogh and fairminded judge. I think the lead needs a modern update. Boeing720 ( talk) 01:55, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
An IP editor has just added a note to the effect that the death toll shown for the sinking is inconsistent across the articles here. The infobox on this article says 1,193 of the 1,960 people aboard killed, leaving 761 survivors
, yet in the
Sinking of the RMS Lusitania § Sinking section the text reads By the days' end, 764 passengers and crew from Lusitania had been rescued and landed at Queenstown. The final death toll for the disaster came to a catastrophic number. Of the 1,959 passengers and crew aboard Lusitania at the time of her sinking, 1,195 had been lost
with a citation "Robert Ballard, Exploring the Lusitania. This number is cited, probably to include the German spies detained below decks" Yet further, the lead for the
RMS Lusitania article reads killing 1,198 passengers and crew
. This is cited to Ballard, Robert D.; Archbold, Rick; Marshall, Ken (2005). The Lost Ships of Robert Ballard. Toronto: Ontario: Madison Press Books. Is there an actual authoritative source for the number of persons aboard, and what number of them died?
XAM2175
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12:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Okay, the remaining question is the number of Americans killed. The source I used for the total death toll just refers to Hoehling, giving 124 lost /159 total. The thing is, this contradicts the passenger manifest the site itself gives, which gives 126 + 1 uncertain + 18 joint citizenship passengers lost! The commonly given number is 128, but again I don't know what the basis is - it might just be taken from contemporary newspapers, and that isn't a great source. So does anyone have a sense on the right number to give here, in terms of the number of americans on board/killed? Fangz ( talk) 19:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Like many metals, finely powdered bronze is explosive if mixed with air and ignited - such as when a torpedo blasts the containers open and sprays the dust around. Burning bronze powder will also react with water, causing a release of hydrogen which is even more explosive. Mixing bronze dust with escaping steam is even worse. Having 50 tons of it on a ship running a blockade in a war zone, is a bit dangerous. See eg here [4] Wdford ( talk) 10:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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The U20 did fire one torpedo, its second last (which made a return journey necessary, the regulations stipulated that one torpedo must be kept for the home journey). The crew and captain of U20 had no intention of sinking the ship (despite of what the German war time propaganda may have written at the time) - the single torpedo wouldn't be enough to sink such a large vessel. But a huge explosion was heard a few seconds after the impact of the torpedo. US customs papers shows that Britain (without the captain's knowlidge) in secret transported tons of ammunition. This made Lusitania a legal target, but much more important - without the ammuniotion as cargo , Lusitania wouldn't have sunk at all. This has been proved even by a BBC documentary. The BBC also made a (very good) film about this sad event, starring John Hannah. Yet this article lead still 100 years afterwards sounds like war time propaganda. Later, the British admirality attempted to blame the surviving captain (who was a good swimmer). Luckelly for him, the sea court had a very thourogh and fairminded judge. I think the lead needs a modern update. Boeing720 ( talk) 01:55, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
An IP editor has just added a note to the effect that the death toll shown for the sinking is inconsistent across the articles here. The infobox on this article says 1,193 of the 1,960 people aboard killed, leaving 761 survivors
, yet in the
Sinking of the RMS Lusitania § Sinking section the text reads By the days' end, 764 passengers and crew from Lusitania had been rescued and landed at Queenstown. The final death toll for the disaster came to a catastrophic number. Of the 1,959 passengers and crew aboard Lusitania at the time of her sinking, 1,195 had been lost
with a citation "Robert Ballard, Exploring the Lusitania. This number is cited, probably to include the German spies detained below decks" Yet further, the lead for the
RMS Lusitania article reads killing 1,198 passengers and crew
. This is cited to Ballard, Robert D.; Archbold, Rick; Marshall, Ken (2005). The Lost Ships of Robert Ballard. Toronto: Ontario: Madison Press Books. Is there an actual authoritative source for the number of persons aboard, and what number of them died?
XAM2175
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12:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Okay, the remaining question is the number of Americans killed. The source I used for the total death toll just refers to Hoehling, giving 124 lost /159 total. The thing is, this contradicts the passenger manifest the site itself gives, which gives 126 + 1 uncertain + 18 joint citizenship passengers lost! The commonly given number is 128, but again I don't know what the basis is - it might just be taken from contemporary newspapers, and that isn't a great source. So does anyone have a sense on the right number to give here, in terms of the number of americans on board/killed? Fangz ( talk) 19:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Like many metals, finely powdered bronze is explosive if mixed with air and ignited - such as when a torpedo blasts the containers open and sprays the dust around. Burning bronze powder will also react with water, causing a release of hydrogen which is even more explosive. Mixing bronze dust with escaping steam is even worse. Having 50 tons of it on a ship running a blockade in a war zone, is a bit dangerous. See eg here [4] Wdford ( talk) 10:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)