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Where should Siam redirect? To Thailand, Thailand#Etymology, History of Thailand (as it does now), or somewhere else? I feel that dropping readers off at History of Thailand is a little abrupt. Although the name "Siam" is covered in the intro, that intro is really weak and the name is not discussed later in the article. Might it not be better to deposit them at Thailand#Etymology? — AjaxSmack 02:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
*Redirect as is' per historical usage. "Siam" was always an exonym and never an endonym until the reign of Mongkut. I've been too busy straightening out misinformation on
Nangklao to add references for Mongkut's change, and I still haven't established what was the endonym for Siam in Chakri reign I (
Rama I.) The Three Seals Code of 1805 allegedly refers to the "realm of Yutiya" and Roberts wrote that for 70 years before his arrival it was Si-ya Yutiya. Having no idea how "Yutiya" might be written in Thai, I rammed into Rattanakosin: กรุงเทพมหานครอมรรัตนโกสินทร์ นพรัตน์บุรีรมย์ and กรุงเทพมหานคร บวรรัตนโกสินทร์ มหินทรา อยุธยา มหาดิลกภพนพรัตน์ ราชธานีบุรีรมย์ อุดม. Please note logic has nothing to do with it.—
Pawyilee (
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17:27, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
*Do not redirect to Thailand, as that was the country's former name only during Chakri reigns 4-7, and briefly in the 8th.
Principle of least astonishment might be served by piping "Siam" to appropriate kingdom, but hardcopy would only read Siam. Same goes for redirect to History of Thailand. Keeping that as default, however, could better be served if lede concisely gives range of years when "Siam" and "Sien" were exonyms, and when "Siam" was the [quasi?] official English name of Thailand. Note
Exonym redirects to a combined article on both ex- and endonyms, that gives a rationale for Siam to link to History of Thailand. —
Pawyilee (
talk)
06:24, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
The missing history is at Rattanakosin Kingdom, which was only mentioned in the sidebar until I changed History section heading to add Main articles: People of Thailand and Rattanakosin Kingdom. That's not correct and is only an interim fix. Could I get some help over there?— Pawyilee ( talk) 07:54, 20 August 2013 (UTC)This article is missing information about Thai history from 1933 to 1997. This concern has been noted on the talk page where whether or not to include such information may be discussed.
What about the suggestion of 90.184.5.10 to have a short stand-alone article for Siam with links to Thailand and History of Thailand? My worry would be how to keep it from expanding beyond about a paragraph. — AjaxSmack 03:31, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
This discussion seems to have run its course, with no new comments for several days. Perhaps an uninvolved user could be found to close it? Heimstern Läufer (talk) 08:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Thailand — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40:C200:82C0:1870:4B36:99C8:82B5 ( talk) 17:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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Where should Siam redirect? To Thailand, Thailand#Etymology, History of Thailand (as it does now), or somewhere else? I feel that dropping readers off at History of Thailand is a little abrupt. Although the name "Siam" is covered in the intro, that intro is really weak and the name is not discussed later in the article. Might it not be better to deposit them at Thailand#Etymology? — AjaxSmack 02:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
*Redirect as is' per historical usage. "Siam" was always an exonym and never an endonym until the reign of Mongkut. I've been too busy straightening out misinformation on
Nangklao to add references for Mongkut's change, and I still haven't established what was the endonym for Siam in Chakri reign I (
Rama I.) The Three Seals Code of 1805 allegedly refers to the "realm of Yutiya" and Roberts wrote that for 70 years before his arrival it was Si-ya Yutiya. Having no idea how "Yutiya" might be written in Thai, I rammed into Rattanakosin: กรุงเทพมหานครอมรรัตนโกสินทร์ นพรัตน์บุรีรมย์ and กรุงเทพมหานคร บวรรัตนโกสินทร์ มหินทรา อยุธยา มหาดิลกภพนพรัตน์ ราชธานีบุรีรมย์ อุดม. Please note logic has nothing to do with it.—
Pawyilee (
talk)
17:27, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
*Do not redirect to Thailand, as that was the country's former name only during Chakri reigns 4-7, and briefly in the 8th.
Principle of least astonishment might be served by piping "Siam" to appropriate kingdom, but hardcopy would only read Siam. Same goes for redirect to History of Thailand. Keeping that as default, however, could better be served if lede concisely gives range of years when "Siam" and "Sien" were exonyms, and when "Siam" was the [quasi?] official English name of Thailand. Note
Exonym redirects to a combined article on both ex- and endonyms, that gives a rationale for Siam to link to History of Thailand. —
Pawyilee (
talk)
06:24, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
The missing history is at Rattanakosin Kingdom, which was only mentioned in the sidebar until I changed History section heading to add Main articles: People of Thailand and Rattanakosin Kingdom. That's not correct and is only an interim fix. Could I get some help over there?— Pawyilee ( talk) 07:54, 20 August 2013 (UTC)This article is missing information about Thai history from 1933 to 1997. This concern has been noted on the talk page where whether or not to include such information may be discussed.
What about the suggestion of 90.184.5.10 to have a short stand-alone article for Siam with links to Thailand and History of Thailand? My worry would be how to keep it from expanding beyond about a paragraph. — AjaxSmack 03:31, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
This discussion seems to have run its course, with no new comments for several days. Perhaps an uninvolved user could be found to close it? Heimstern Läufer (talk) 08:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Thailand — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40:C200:82C0:1870:4B36:99C8:82B5 ( talk) 17:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)