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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 ( talk) 12:25, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Sia Furler → Sia (singer) – Two of her songs already have just her first name in the brackets ( Clap Your Hands (Sia song) and You've Changed (Sia song)), and it looks like there'll be third soon - she even ignores her surname on her official site Unreal7 ( talk) 22:45, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. EdJohnston ( talk) 05:07, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Sia Furler → Sia (musician) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, the name Sia is more suitable because Sia has had a musical career and often used her first name for all of her releases. She even used the name for her Facebook account and her official website. Of course as a songwriter, Sia's credits will be kept as Sia Furler, but with her music releases, Sia is more suitable. Simon ( talk) 02:19, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Although the question of the precision of the disambiguator remains unresolved, there was broad agreement to move the article away from natural disambiguation in order to reflect common usage. Dekimasu よ! 20:20, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Sia Furler → Sia (musician) – As per WP:COMMONNAME, just Sia would be most suitable. I'm sorry to bring this up again, but despite writing credits, she is just known mononymously as Sia. Most artists use their real names on writing credits in the first place anyway, and she has never been credited as Sia Furler on any music releases. Billboard Man ( talk) 17:07, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Simon ( talk) 14:13, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Ok reading this article is states that Sia is gay, but if you define gay (homosexual) it is "sexually attracted to people of one's own sex." Im no expert in secuality talks... but isnt she Pansexual? she just married a guy Erik
Reference 71 from the article qouted her "Before I was actually successful I'd always said I've always dated boys and girls and anything in between. I don't care what gender you are, it's about people. I didn't just recently open up, I just recently got famous! I've always been... well, flexible is the word I would use.""
Pansexual: not limited in sexual choice with regard to biological sex, gender, or gender identity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.162.229.236 ( talk • contribs) 23:48, 9 February 2015
The result of the move request was: not moved. The argument for a more restrictive disambiguator has not gained consensus. DrKiernan ( talk) 18:31, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. The argument to drop the disambiguator has not gained consensus. DrKiernan ( talk) 18:35, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
– Move to Sia - Honestly speaking, she is the primary topic for just "Sia". Sooner or later, this article will be moved there. So I don't see the point in moving the article to "Sia (singer)", but instead propose a move to just "Sia". --Relisted. DrKiernan ( talk) 12:32, 28 February 2015 (UTC) MaRAno FAN 12:49, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
*Move to Sia per
HĐ and
MaranoFan -
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Relisting comment Article view stats have been provided to argue for primary topic, but there are about 60k page views for SIA. So, the disambiguation page at Sia (which is for both Sia and SIA) needs to be considered more thoroughly and carefully than has hitherto been the case in this discussion. Also, there has been no notification at Talk:Sia of this requested move, but all talk pages affected by the move should have been notified. Consequently, I am relisting this for further discussion. DrKiernan ( talk) 12:32, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
@ HĐ:, @ Binksternet:, @ Madreterra: There appears to be a minor disagreement over her role in Zero 7. Whilst I think there is no doubt that Sia's main vocals are an important part of the band's success, others obviously also contributed. So can we call her the unofficial lead-singer of Zero 7 or is she just one of the main vocalists? Karst ( talk) 08:32, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 01:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Sia (musician) →
Sia Furler – Despite the timing of this RM, this is not for either of the requests above that just failed to gain consensus. This is a request for a move back to
natural disambiguation. NATURAL says to "choose an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title." Parenthetical disambiguation should only be used "if natural disambiguation is not possible." Although the subject is most commonly referred to in sources by her mononym, she is occasionally referred to as Sia Furler:
Billboard,
Sydney Morning Herald,
Daily Mail,
New York Times, etc. Additionally, she uses the name Sia Furler in writing credits for other artists (a notable aspect of her career), and her debut album
OnlySee was released under her full name.
Therefore, the move to "Sia (musician)" should have never taken place. The discussion there was mainly based on WP:COMMONNAME; I'm not arguing that "Sia" is not the subject's most common name, but as mentioned, Wikipedia prefers natural disambiguation to parenthetical disambiguation where possible. And using natural disambiguation will spare us silly wars over whether "musician" or "singer" is the better disambiguator (see the convoluted last RM). – Chase ( talk / contribs) 22:10, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Despite recent renaming to "Sia Furler", Sia vs Sia Furler debate hasn't ended here yet. Which one shall be preferred? -- George Ho ( talk) 03:15, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
I was surprised to see there was not a list of songs recorded by Sia. I redirected List of songs recorded by Sia and List of songs recorded by Sia Furler to here for now (not sure which is preferable), but feel free to get a list going before me if you have time and interest. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
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Overall, not too bad, but needs cleaning up. — Calvin999 08:54, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Upon reflection, I should have quick failed this article, because you have not contributed significantly to it at all. I should have checked the history of the article prior to completing my review. The only reason why I am saying this now is because I just quick failed your nomination of Jennifer Lopez as you have never edited it. You've only edited Sia Furler a handful of times and they are not significant at all. It's been nearly 7 days since I did this review but I've had no response here. You have been online too, and clearly had time to making ill-judged nominations. I don't think you are serious about making improvements and I don't think you understand the rules of nominations, which is concreted by whim of a Jennifer Lopez nomination. I'm sorry but this article is not worthy of being made a Good Article yet. As I said in my concluding statement of the review, it does need cleaning up. — Calvin999 10:19, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Is there no further identification of the deceased boyfriend? Is there a better way of introducing the subject than "...Sia decided to move to London to follow her first relationship with Dan"? The wording of the section implies there was a previous mention of the fellow earlier in the article (and that "Dan" is possibly a last name). Has this been removed? Is he a member of her first band? How would a first time reader like myself know? If all we have is a first name and no RS on the last name, do we even need to mention the name at all? Is there something really obvious to others I'm not understanding? BusterD ( talk) 03:59, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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She is on record as self-identifying as bipolar, this should probably be in the article. 2602:306:CE95:57B0:61E2:9147:7BEB:BD02 ( talk) 05:38, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
The opening says "sometimes referred to mononymously as Sia". Shouldn't "sometimes" be "often"? -- Benimation ( talk) 18:39, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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PIcture change as well as new biography update
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There is a clear consensus to continue to use "Sia" instead of "Furler" throughout the whole article per WP:COMMONNAME and per the previous discussion at Talk:Sia Furler/Archive 2#Infobox title: Sia or "Sia Furler"?. Cunard ( talk) 04:01, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
The current revision uses "Sia" throughout the whole article. I want to change from "Sia" to "Furler" to be consistent with the present title. However, in previous discussions, consensus prefer "Sia" in the infobox instead. Therefore, I figure that a discussion is needed instead. What are your thoughts on this proposal? -- George Ho ( talk) 20:31, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm worried that the image "Sia performing photograph by Kris Krug.jpg" is not compatible with Wikipedia. On its Wikimedia Commons page, the license is listed as "Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0" but if you go back to the Flickr page ( https://www.flickr.com/photos/kk/2350132325/) it is listed as Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.0 which I thought wouldn't work because of Wikipedia not being a place for noncommercial-only licensed content. On the image's page it says "It was reviewed on 20 August 2009 by the FlickreviewR robot" so maybe the author changed the license after FlickerreviewR bot got to it?
Thanks. Dwiki ( talk) 04:29, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
In the previous RfC, consensus decided to stick to just "Sia", even when the latest RM said to have first and last name in the article title. Somehow, the surname is added in the infobox. Shall we enforce the previous RfC and then re-remove "Furler" from the infobox, or shall we retain "Furler" in the infobox? -- George Ho ( talk) 04:49, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
This article omits the serial comma consistently, per MOS:SERIAL. There is no consensus to add it. It clutters up sentences. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:35, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
If she decided not to show her face in public, should it be a (free if is it one out there) pic of herself with a wig that cover her eyes, like she is seen in public now, instead of the current one? Cornerstonepicker ( talk) 19:56, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
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There are some sources out there, but not enough (that I can find) to meet WP:Event. Adam9007 ( talk) 22:52, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Oppose: I think the article should be kept as a standalone topic. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 23:30, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Support: I don't think the tour article adds anything that can't be adequately addressed in Sia's main article. Apparently the tour was not particularly successful. The two live albums, on the "Monkey Puzzle" label, do not appear to be significant and, of course, did not chart at all. Not every tour needs its own article. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 08:45, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Oppose: I'm unsure of how to say this without seeming biased; the tour was promoting a moderately-successful album (worldwide) and as such received quite a fair amount of media discussion, there are sources that can clearly be expanded upon with a simple Google search, so I don't know why, of all things, we're looking to merge the tour into the artist's page, and not the album's, or not expanding upon an article that has plenty of sources. Aleccat 06:37, 25 November 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleccat ( talk • contribs)
I constantly see references in wiki's about her that say she was "lead vocalist who also happened to tour with them" ...you've gotta be kidding me. Is there anything stopping us from just out and out saying she was a band member with zero7 and is no longer a band member with them?
She was a full-fledged band member and contributed quite a bit. George Harrison only sang two songs on Abbey Road that doesn't mean he was a "vocalist". He was a full-fledged Beatles band member. I'm not sure why the wikis like to dance around this issue *constantly* like they're walking on eggshells to say anything BUT the fact that she was a band member.
Even for consistency's sake, on the Zero7 band page it lists her as a former member. So I think, quite clearly, all of the stuff mentioning Sia in connection with Zero7 should explicitly mention her as a full-fledged band member from 1997-2008 without having to dance around the issue so opaquely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.78.64 ( talk) 06:54, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
I started a draft for her upcoming Christmas album: Draft:Sia's Christmas album. Feel free to help expand until we're ready to move the draft into the main space. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 03:29, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
I tried adding an associated acts section to her info box and it got deleted by another user. Most other music artists on Wikipedia have an associated acts section on their page so why can't Sia have it? My deleted edit was:
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Nicholas S8 ( talk) 04:02, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Fair enough. The people who I put were music artists who I am aware have collaborated with her but I understand and respect your decision not to have them on the page. Nicholas S8 ( talk) 04:07, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Ssilvers:, Hello, may you please explain and justify why you believe the lead should include "mononymously" and all associated acts be removed, instead of citing BOLD and effectively saying "because I can"?
Now, I'm not fully fussed about the inclusion of "known mononymously as" because it is correct per MOS:NICKNAME. However, I don't really think it's necessary to include, as the lead is much cleaner with only her full name, followed by the pronunciation and her date of birth. This leads the reader to realise that Sia is her first name, removing the need to spoonfeed that information to them. Similarly mononymous singers Rihanna and Beyoncé (the latter a GA) do fine without the explanation.
However, I see the associated acts removal as unjustified. It is common for associated acts fields to be wrongly filled with every collaborator ever but this is not the case here. Template:Infobox musical artist#associated acts states that "this field is for professional relationships with other musicians or bands that are significant and notable to this artist's career". It explicitly states "for individuals: groups of which he or she has been a member", which applies to Zero 7 and LSD. The most common thing that should be avoided, which it states, is "[a] one-time collaboration for a single song". This does not apply to David Guetta, who is very notable to her career, collaborating with her on " Titanium", " She Wolf (Falling to Pieces)", " Bang My Head", " Flames", " The Whisperer" and a version of " Helium".
I hope my points are understood, Thanks. Lazz _R 23:42, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
On section 1.7, it mentions the release of Mountains (EP) on Spotify. Is it possible to also add the "No New Friends (EP)" release? If not, that's alright, considering it was hard to find a reliable source besides Spotify directly. Matthewl6500 ( talk) 23:02, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
There has been way too much disruption over the continual changes to the IB over the last few days. There are two fields in question: Spouse and Awards. Please could people discuss before continuing to edit war. (Oh, and Mr. Split, re your edit summary "(and I think got "good article" status) when it was like this. Deletion = vandalism": 1. This is when the article passed GAN and neither of the fields were present. Please check before you make such erroneous comments again. 2. Just because there is disagreement about the inclusion does not mean there is vandalism. I see you've not been on WP for long: you need to learn quickly not to accuse others of vandalism unless there is actually vandalism. You also need to learn not to continue edit warring in support of a disruptive IP.) - SchroCat ( talk) 09:20, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
(Sorry SC I didn't read this first...) Well, I said '*I think* it got "good article" status', as I hadn't noticed the mark before it got protected. Maybe it was "good" back when it didn't have them, but can't these elements make it better? Other singer articles have them all. Besides, the administrator protected the article as it was after my edit, that's enough for me to believe that version's an "approved" one. So I still see the deletion is the disruption. Why do some people keep forcing the other version? Mr. Split ( talk) 19:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
I see; I didn't know the 'Status Quo' rule. I've seen that "Full list" link to awards on other singer info boxes (that include pretty much everything) and looked like a norm. Why let those people keep it if it's frowned upon? And as for Spouse: I was under the impression that mere relationships should be kept out but marrying made you relevant ipso facto. Well, I'd ask to know if there was an agreement with the administrator who protected the article ('cause the history is there: he/she did it following my restoration & that's why I still think it wasn't bad). Mr. Split ( talk) 05:12, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. I'll just say I was quite bothered by this determination to keep non-damaging details out, and leave it at that. Far from me wanting to mess up her article. Mr. Split ( talk) 00:38, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
One of the most heart touching masterpiece by Sia was her song MY Love in the movie The Twilight Saga: Eclipse which released in 2010. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.194.208.118 ( talk) 05:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
This should be removed, she obviously is not a director just because she has directed a music video. and the voice actress part is not what she's known for/what she regularly does.
@ Ssilvers: You requested an explanation from me. Here they are.
"Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information ABOUT THEMSELVES, usually in articles ABOUT THEMSELVES or their activities ... so long as: it does not involve CLAIMS ABOUT THIRD PARTIES."As such, having oscarslaw.org tell something about Sia cannot appear in Sia's wiki article as the source for the content. If you want to include activism and such, you need to provide a secondary source showing it happened. It might well be true, but Wikipedia's rules on reliable source are one of its top guidelines.
Please revert your reversions of my edits on the Sia page. (The Talk page edit can remain, if you like.) Thank you. Normal Op ( talk) 20:47, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
(Continuing the same discussion from above)
Ssilvers, you should review the conversation at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#PETA. In summary, the sort of insertion of PETA and Oscar's Law into the Sia (musician) article violates WP:ADVOCACY and is WP:UNDUE content. Even if you might be allowed to include something like "PETA was invited by Sia to attend..." (sourced at peta.org), you could not include such content as "Sia partnered with various rescue organizations to conduct a dog adoption fair at each of her concerts" or "Sia was nominated for a 2016 Libby Award for Best Voice for Animals" as PETA is NOT a reliable source for this sort of information. You would need to locate and use a traditionally-considered reliable source to cite this content. And if you cannot find anything, then it wasn't important enough and thus... WP:UNDUE. (Pinging Buidhe since you reverted their edit.) Normal Op ( talk) 00:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources...The burden of evidence rests with the editor who adds or restores the material.
An idiot bot which claims doesn't make mistakes reverted my edit. Follow 175th reference. Now. Stephenfryfan ( talk) 16:10, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
I would like to propose moving the image of her in the wig to the infobox and moving the current image in the infobox into the body of the article. Her face being covered is a clear part of her image. Since this article focuses on her career more than her personal life (as it should), the main image should be a better representation of her career. JDDJS ( talk to me • see what I've done) 00:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't we be using Template:Infobox musical artist for articles like this? She is still active; and we can add her signature and children through a subbox of Infobox person. niko3818 ( talk) 18:21, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
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The recent edits have to be seriously reviewed because these were added by activists who are not happy because of Sia's new movie. These are personal opinions & frankly they should not be present on wikipedia.
"its depiction of autism.[158][159] The film also contains scenes of blackface.[160] This has also followed a photo of Sia in blackface resurfacing in 2019 after she defended Scooter Braun, although Sia attempted to deny the photo.[161]" Bnvnly ( talk) 15:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to add a section or a note about the fact that she's been criticized by many autistic activists for her new film Music? I'm new to Wikipedia and not sure what the convention is here, but it seems to me that this topic might be notable enough to merit inclusion, though it's also quite likely to be a controversial topic. Thoughts? Aerin17 ( talk) 03:31, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
If the film accolades are relevant in this article, then the extensive autistic criticism is also relevant. Mousecalledgerald ( talk) 21:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
The article currently includes the excerpt:
In 2017, she released another PSA
I have tried searching the web for "PSA pet music" and variants in order to try to find out what this is referring to. Just searching for PSA results in Prostate-specific antigen, Pharmaceutical Society of Australia, Pacific Science Association, etc. so if anyone has any idea what this "PSA" is trying to signify, could they please replace it with something meaningful? If nobody knows what a "PSA" supposedly might be, I suggest just deleting the sentence as gibberish. As long as it doesn't have any readily divinable meaning, it's not contributing anything constructive to the article. 49.181.42.164 ( talk) 03:50, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
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I'm afraid I'm not familiar with changing non-text media and don't want to screw up on a presumably higher traffic page but surely we have a better copyright free image available, right? The current info box photo is so obscured it's almost comedic. XeCyranium ( talk) 03:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Please refer to MOS:FIRSTBIO and WP:ROLEBIO about policy on the lead sentence in biographies. The guideline states that:
"The lead sentence should describe the person as they are commonly described in reliable sources."
I have added two sources that refer to her as a "pop star". Following policy, she should be referred to only as "singer", but I am leaving songwriter in there for now, pending sourcing. LK ( talk) 02:27, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Here are some articles that are already cited in the entry that show that she is notable for these other activites:
The cites do not belong in the Lead section, which just summarizes information given in more detail in the body of the article below. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 03:14, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Are we OK with the lead sentence as it stands? I think if we look in most reliable sources, when they refer to her, they call her a pop start, singer, or singer-songwriter. Even articles that talk about her recent film refer to her as a singer or as a singer-songwriter. I don't know of a single source that says something like: "The singer-songwriter, voice actress, director, Sia ....". Unless it can be shown that reliable sources commonly refer to her in such a way, this article's lead should not, as that would not be verifiable and would be "original research". LK ( talk) 04:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
You are misinterpreting the guideline (not a policy). WP:BLPLEAD states that the Lead sentence should mention the "noteworthy position(s) or role(s) the person held". The question here is whether, in addition to her singing and songwriting, her directing and voice acting are "noteworthy positions or roles ... emphasize what made the person notable". You and Binksternet don't think her directing and voice acting (which are clearly described in reliable sources) are what makes her notable. Fair enough. But don't pretend that the guideline must be interpreted in the most robotic way. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 03:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn’t it be "Sia Furler" because there are many people named Sia. Sqftedits ( talk) 01:04, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved:It is clear that Sia the musician is the primary topic. I have tried to fix all incoming links if any remains please WP:FIXIT Megan B.... It’s all coming to me till the end of time 10:11, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
– This was discussed once, back in 2015 [7], and had considerable support then. Now, seven years later, it is clear that Sia has enduring notability and can be considered the primary topic. While it's true that there are many pages listed at the dabpage Sia, most are for things named "SIA"; of the others, it's clear that the musician is the most notable. Much like Nelly, Robyn, Adele, Cher, and many others, we can move this article to the undisambiguated title for the benefit of the 5,000+ [8] readers that visit this page daily. 162 etc. ( talk) 06:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Please add how sia is a vegan to her personal life/animal activism part. 14.201.105.149 ( talk) 07:11, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
There are at least 2 (debateably 3) instances where Sia has done things that could be considered controversial, namely the Plastic Heart music video, Music, and her response to criticism surrounding it. However the article currently contains single sentences about these in a several thousand word text dump about her entire career stretching back over the last 25 years. For now I have added a small sentence in the summary about Music failing and the criticisms of the film, notably missing from the summary, despite it mentioning the film and the album it came out alongside, and then moving on to awards right after. Probably nothing, but if the edit is removed or reversed I might consider raising an eyebrow. TTTime05 ( talk) 23:02, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Note that many other celebrities have controversy sections for fewer and debateably lesser offenses. Perhaps this is improper here, but I feel like they might have been intentionally buried a bit. Or I'm a paranoid nutjob. Who knows. TTTime05 ( talk) 23:04, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
It's not one of her main occupations, which are singing and songwriting.But Sia was the director of the movie and heavily involved in its production. This was a major project of hers that she put a lot into, and much of the (very widespread) criticism around the movie has been directed at her. Just because her career has focused on other things in the past doesn't mean this isn't also significant. (Perhaps I'm biased because the first time I ever heard about Sia was in connection to Music, so I associate her firmly with the movie.) Aerin17 ( t • c) 05:05, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
How did she get the name Sia? (Or why). MBG02 ( talk) 17:36, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 ( talk) 12:25, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Sia Furler → Sia (singer) – Two of her songs already have just her first name in the brackets ( Clap Your Hands (Sia song) and You've Changed (Sia song)), and it looks like there'll be third soon - she even ignores her surname on her official site Unreal7 ( talk) 22:45, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. EdJohnston ( talk) 05:07, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Sia Furler → Sia (musician) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, the name Sia is more suitable because Sia has had a musical career and often used her first name for all of her releases. She even used the name for her Facebook account and her official website. Of course as a songwriter, Sia's credits will be kept as Sia Furler, but with her music releases, Sia is more suitable. Simon ( talk) 02:19, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Although the question of the precision of the disambiguator remains unresolved, there was broad agreement to move the article away from natural disambiguation in order to reflect common usage. Dekimasu よ! 20:20, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Sia Furler → Sia (musician) – As per WP:COMMONNAME, just Sia would be most suitable. I'm sorry to bring this up again, but despite writing credits, she is just known mononymously as Sia. Most artists use their real names on writing credits in the first place anyway, and she has never been credited as Sia Furler on any music releases. Billboard Man ( talk) 17:07, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Simon ( talk) 14:13, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Ok reading this article is states that Sia is gay, but if you define gay (homosexual) it is "sexually attracted to people of one's own sex." Im no expert in secuality talks... but isnt she Pansexual? she just married a guy Erik
Reference 71 from the article qouted her "Before I was actually successful I'd always said I've always dated boys and girls and anything in between. I don't care what gender you are, it's about people. I didn't just recently open up, I just recently got famous! I've always been... well, flexible is the word I would use.""
Pansexual: not limited in sexual choice with regard to biological sex, gender, or gender identity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.162.229.236 ( talk • contribs) 23:48, 9 February 2015
The result of the move request was: not moved. The argument for a more restrictive disambiguator has not gained consensus. DrKiernan ( talk) 18:31, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. The argument to drop the disambiguator has not gained consensus. DrKiernan ( talk) 18:35, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
– Move to Sia - Honestly speaking, she is the primary topic for just "Sia". Sooner or later, this article will be moved there. So I don't see the point in moving the article to "Sia (singer)", but instead propose a move to just "Sia". --Relisted. DrKiernan ( talk) 12:32, 28 February 2015 (UTC) MaRAno FAN 12:49, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
*Move to Sia per
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Relisting comment Article view stats have been provided to argue for primary topic, but there are about 60k page views for SIA. So, the disambiguation page at Sia (which is for both Sia and SIA) needs to be considered more thoroughly and carefully than has hitherto been the case in this discussion. Also, there has been no notification at Talk:Sia of this requested move, but all talk pages affected by the move should have been notified. Consequently, I am relisting this for further discussion. DrKiernan ( talk) 12:32, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
@ HĐ:, @ Binksternet:, @ Madreterra: There appears to be a minor disagreement over her role in Zero 7. Whilst I think there is no doubt that Sia's main vocals are an important part of the band's success, others obviously also contributed. So can we call her the unofficial lead-singer of Zero 7 or is she just one of the main vocalists? Karst ( talk) 08:32, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 01:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Sia (musician) →
Sia Furler – Despite the timing of this RM, this is not for either of the requests above that just failed to gain consensus. This is a request for a move back to
natural disambiguation. NATURAL says to "choose an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title." Parenthetical disambiguation should only be used "if natural disambiguation is not possible." Although the subject is most commonly referred to in sources by her mononym, she is occasionally referred to as Sia Furler:
Billboard,
Sydney Morning Herald,
Daily Mail,
New York Times, etc. Additionally, she uses the name Sia Furler in writing credits for other artists (a notable aspect of her career), and her debut album
OnlySee was released under her full name.
Therefore, the move to "Sia (musician)" should have never taken place. The discussion there was mainly based on WP:COMMONNAME; I'm not arguing that "Sia" is not the subject's most common name, but as mentioned, Wikipedia prefers natural disambiguation to parenthetical disambiguation where possible. And using natural disambiguation will spare us silly wars over whether "musician" or "singer" is the better disambiguator (see the convoluted last RM). – Chase ( talk / contribs) 22:10, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Despite recent renaming to "Sia Furler", Sia vs Sia Furler debate hasn't ended here yet. Which one shall be preferred? -- George Ho ( talk) 03:15, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
I was surprised to see there was not a list of songs recorded by Sia. I redirected List of songs recorded by Sia and List of songs recorded by Sia Furler to here for now (not sure which is preferable), but feel free to get a list going before me if you have time and interest. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
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Overall, not too bad, but needs cleaning up. — Calvin999 08:54, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Upon reflection, I should have quick failed this article, because you have not contributed significantly to it at all. I should have checked the history of the article prior to completing my review. The only reason why I am saying this now is because I just quick failed your nomination of Jennifer Lopez as you have never edited it. You've only edited Sia Furler a handful of times and they are not significant at all. It's been nearly 7 days since I did this review but I've had no response here. You have been online too, and clearly had time to making ill-judged nominations. I don't think you are serious about making improvements and I don't think you understand the rules of nominations, which is concreted by whim of a Jennifer Lopez nomination. I'm sorry but this article is not worthy of being made a Good Article yet. As I said in my concluding statement of the review, it does need cleaning up. — Calvin999 10:19, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Is there no further identification of the deceased boyfriend? Is there a better way of introducing the subject than "...Sia decided to move to London to follow her first relationship with Dan"? The wording of the section implies there was a previous mention of the fellow earlier in the article (and that "Dan" is possibly a last name). Has this been removed? Is he a member of her first band? How would a first time reader like myself know? If all we have is a first name and no RS on the last name, do we even need to mention the name at all? Is there something really obvious to others I'm not understanding? BusterD ( talk) 03:59, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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She is on record as self-identifying as bipolar, this should probably be in the article. 2602:306:CE95:57B0:61E2:9147:7BEB:BD02 ( talk) 05:38, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
The opening says "sometimes referred to mononymously as Sia". Shouldn't "sometimes" be "often"? -- Benimation ( talk) 18:39, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
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PIcture change as well as new biography update
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There is a clear consensus to continue to use "Sia" instead of "Furler" throughout the whole article per WP:COMMONNAME and per the previous discussion at Talk:Sia Furler/Archive 2#Infobox title: Sia or "Sia Furler"?. Cunard ( talk) 04:01, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
The current revision uses "Sia" throughout the whole article. I want to change from "Sia" to "Furler" to be consistent with the present title. However, in previous discussions, consensus prefer "Sia" in the infobox instead. Therefore, I figure that a discussion is needed instead. What are your thoughts on this proposal? -- George Ho ( talk) 20:31, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm worried that the image "Sia performing photograph by Kris Krug.jpg" is not compatible with Wikipedia. On its Wikimedia Commons page, the license is listed as "Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0" but if you go back to the Flickr page ( https://www.flickr.com/photos/kk/2350132325/) it is listed as Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.0 which I thought wouldn't work because of Wikipedia not being a place for noncommercial-only licensed content. On the image's page it says "It was reviewed on 20 August 2009 by the FlickreviewR robot" so maybe the author changed the license after FlickerreviewR bot got to it?
Thanks. Dwiki ( talk) 04:29, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
In the previous RfC, consensus decided to stick to just "Sia", even when the latest RM said to have first and last name in the article title. Somehow, the surname is added in the infobox. Shall we enforce the previous RfC and then re-remove "Furler" from the infobox, or shall we retain "Furler" in the infobox? -- George Ho ( talk) 04:49, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
This article omits the serial comma consistently, per MOS:SERIAL. There is no consensus to add it. It clutters up sentences. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:35, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
If she decided not to show her face in public, should it be a (free if is it one out there) pic of herself with a wig that cover her eyes, like she is seen in public now, instead of the current one? Cornerstonepicker ( talk) 19:56, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
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There are some sources out there, but not enough (that I can find) to meet WP:Event. Adam9007 ( talk) 22:52, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Oppose: I think the article should be kept as a standalone topic. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 23:30, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Support: I don't think the tour article adds anything that can't be adequately addressed in Sia's main article. Apparently the tour was not particularly successful. The two live albums, on the "Monkey Puzzle" label, do not appear to be significant and, of course, did not chart at all. Not every tour needs its own article. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 08:45, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Oppose: I'm unsure of how to say this without seeming biased; the tour was promoting a moderately-successful album (worldwide) and as such received quite a fair amount of media discussion, there are sources that can clearly be expanded upon with a simple Google search, so I don't know why, of all things, we're looking to merge the tour into the artist's page, and not the album's, or not expanding upon an article that has plenty of sources. Aleccat 06:37, 25 November 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleccat ( talk • contribs)
I constantly see references in wiki's about her that say she was "lead vocalist who also happened to tour with them" ...you've gotta be kidding me. Is there anything stopping us from just out and out saying she was a band member with zero7 and is no longer a band member with them?
She was a full-fledged band member and contributed quite a bit. George Harrison only sang two songs on Abbey Road that doesn't mean he was a "vocalist". He was a full-fledged Beatles band member. I'm not sure why the wikis like to dance around this issue *constantly* like they're walking on eggshells to say anything BUT the fact that she was a band member.
Even for consistency's sake, on the Zero7 band page it lists her as a former member. So I think, quite clearly, all of the stuff mentioning Sia in connection with Zero7 should explicitly mention her as a full-fledged band member from 1997-2008 without having to dance around the issue so opaquely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.78.64 ( talk) 06:54, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
I started a draft for her upcoming Christmas album: Draft:Sia's Christmas album. Feel free to help expand until we're ready to move the draft into the main space. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 03:29, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
I tried adding an associated acts section to her info box and it got deleted by another user. Most other music artists on Wikipedia have an associated acts section on their page so why can't Sia have it? My deleted edit was:
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Nicholas S8 ( talk) 04:02, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Fair enough. The people who I put were music artists who I am aware have collaborated with her but I understand and respect your decision not to have them on the page. Nicholas S8 ( talk) 04:07, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Ssilvers:, Hello, may you please explain and justify why you believe the lead should include "mononymously" and all associated acts be removed, instead of citing BOLD and effectively saying "because I can"?
Now, I'm not fully fussed about the inclusion of "known mononymously as" because it is correct per MOS:NICKNAME. However, I don't really think it's necessary to include, as the lead is much cleaner with only her full name, followed by the pronunciation and her date of birth. This leads the reader to realise that Sia is her first name, removing the need to spoonfeed that information to them. Similarly mononymous singers Rihanna and Beyoncé (the latter a GA) do fine without the explanation.
However, I see the associated acts removal as unjustified. It is common for associated acts fields to be wrongly filled with every collaborator ever but this is not the case here. Template:Infobox musical artist#associated acts states that "this field is for professional relationships with other musicians or bands that are significant and notable to this artist's career". It explicitly states "for individuals: groups of which he or she has been a member", which applies to Zero 7 and LSD. The most common thing that should be avoided, which it states, is "[a] one-time collaboration for a single song". This does not apply to David Guetta, who is very notable to her career, collaborating with her on " Titanium", " She Wolf (Falling to Pieces)", " Bang My Head", " Flames", " The Whisperer" and a version of " Helium".
I hope my points are understood, Thanks. Lazz _R 23:42, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
On section 1.7, it mentions the release of Mountains (EP) on Spotify. Is it possible to also add the "No New Friends (EP)" release? If not, that's alright, considering it was hard to find a reliable source besides Spotify directly. Matthewl6500 ( talk) 23:02, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
There has been way too much disruption over the continual changes to the IB over the last few days. There are two fields in question: Spouse and Awards. Please could people discuss before continuing to edit war. (Oh, and Mr. Split, re your edit summary "(and I think got "good article" status) when it was like this. Deletion = vandalism": 1. This is when the article passed GAN and neither of the fields were present. Please check before you make such erroneous comments again. 2. Just because there is disagreement about the inclusion does not mean there is vandalism. I see you've not been on WP for long: you need to learn quickly not to accuse others of vandalism unless there is actually vandalism. You also need to learn not to continue edit warring in support of a disruptive IP.) - SchroCat ( talk) 09:20, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
(Sorry SC I didn't read this first...) Well, I said '*I think* it got "good article" status', as I hadn't noticed the mark before it got protected. Maybe it was "good" back when it didn't have them, but can't these elements make it better? Other singer articles have them all. Besides, the administrator protected the article as it was after my edit, that's enough for me to believe that version's an "approved" one. So I still see the deletion is the disruption. Why do some people keep forcing the other version? Mr. Split ( talk) 19:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
I see; I didn't know the 'Status Quo' rule. I've seen that "Full list" link to awards on other singer info boxes (that include pretty much everything) and looked like a norm. Why let those people keep it if it's frowned upon? And as for Spouse: I was under the impression that mere relationships should be kept out but marrying made you relevant ipso facto. Well, I'd ask to know if there was an agreement with the administrator who protected the article ('cause the history is there: he/she did it following my restoration & that's why I still think it wasn't bad). Mr. Split ( talk) 05:12, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. I'll just say I was quite bothered by this determination to keep non-damaging details out, and leave it at that. Far from me wanting to mess up her article. Mr. Split ( talk) 00:38, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
One of the most heart touching masterpiece by Sia was her song MY Love in the movie The Twilight Saga: Eclipse which released in 2010. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.194.208.118 ( talk) 05:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
This should be removed, she obviously is not a director just because she has directed a music video. and the voice actress part is not what she's known for/what she regularly does.
@ Ssilvers: You requested an explanation from me. Here they are.
"Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information ABOUT THEMSELVES, usually in articles ABOUT THEMSELVES or their activities ... so long as: it does not involve CLAIMS ABOUT THIRD PARTIES."As such, having oscarslaw.org tell something about Sia cannot appear in Sia's wiki article as the source for the content. If you want to include activism and such, you need to provide a secondary source showing it happened. It might well be true, but Wikipedia's rules on reliable source are one of its top guidelines.
Please revert your reversions of my edits on the Sia page. (The Talk page edit can remain, if you like.) Thank you. Normal Op ( talk) 20:47, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
(Continuing the same discussion from above)
Ssilvers, you should review the conversation at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#PETA. In summary, the sort of insertion of PETA and Oscar's Law into the Sia (musician) article violates WP:ADVOCACY and is WP:UNDUE content. Even if you might be allowed to include something like "PETA was invited by Sia to attend..." (sourced at peta.org), you could not include such content as "Sia partnered with various rescue organizations to conduct a dog adoption fair at each of her concerts" or "Sia was nominated for a 2016 Libby Award for Best Voice for Animals" as PETA is NOT a reliable source for this sort of information. You would need to locate and use a traditionally-considered reliable source to cite this content. And if you cannot find anything, then it wasn't important enough and thus... WP:UNDUE. (Pinging Buidhe since you reverted their edit.) Normal Op ( talk) 00:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources...The burden of evidence rests with the editor who adds or restores the material.
An idiot bot which claims doesn't make mistakes reverted my edit. Follow 175th reference. Now. Stephenfryfan ( talk) 16:10, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
I would like to propose moving the image of her in the wig to the infobox and moving the current image in the infobox into the body of the article. Her face being covered is a clear part of her image. Since this article focuses on her career more than her personal life (as it should), the main image should be a better representation of her career. JDDJS ( talk to me • see what I've done) 00:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't we be using Template:Infobox musical artist for articles like this? She is still active; and we can add her signature and children through a subbox of Infobox person. niko3818 ( talk) 18:21, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
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The recent edits have to be seriously reviewed because these were added by activists who are not happy because of Sia's new movie. These are personal opinions & frankly they should not be present on wikipedia.
"its depiction of autism.[158][159] The film also contains scenes of blackface.[160] This has also followed a photo of Sia in blackface resurfacing in 2019 after she defended Scooter Braun, although Sia attempted to deny the photo.[161]" Bnvnly ( talk) 15:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to add a section or a note about the fact that she's been criticized by many autistic activists for her new film Music? I'm new to Wikipedia and not sure what the convention is here, but it seems to me that this topic might be notable enough to merit inclusion, though it's also quite likely to be a controversial topic. Thoughts? Aerin17 ( talk) 03:31, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
If the film accolades are relevant in this article, then the extensive autistic criticism is also relevant. Mousecalledgerald ( talk) 21:33, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
The article currently includes the excerpt:
In 2017, she released another PSA
I have tried searching the web for "PSA pet music" and variants in order to try to find out what this is referring to. Just searching for PSA results in Prostate-specific antigen, Pharmaceutical Society of Australia, Pacific Science Association, etc. so if anyone has any idea what this "PSA" is trying to signify, could they please replace it with something meaningful? If nobody knows what a "PSA" supposedly might be, I suggest just deleting the sentence as gibberish. As long as it doesn't have any readily divinable meaning, it's not contributing anything constructive to the article. 49.181.42.164 ( talk) 03:50, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
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I'm afraid I'm not familiar with changing non-text media and don't want to screw up on a presumably higher traffic page but surely we have a better copyright free image available, right? The current info box photo is so obscured it's almost comedic. XeCyranium ( talk) 03:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Please refer to MOS:FIRSTBIO and WP:ROLEBIO about policy on the lead sentence in biographies. The guideline states that:
"The lead sentence should describe the person as they are commonly described in reliable sources."
I have added two sources that refer to her as a "pop star". Following policy, she should be referred to only as "singer", but I am leaving songwriter in there for now, pending sourcing. LK ( talk) 02:27, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Here are some articles that are already cited in the entry that show that she is notable for these other activites:
The cites do not belong in the Lead section, which just summarizes information given in more detail in the body of the article below. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 03:14, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Are we OK with the lead sentence as it stands? I think if we look in most reliable sources, when they refer to her, they call her a pop start, singer, or singer-songwriter. Even articles that talk about her recent film refer to her as a singer or as a singer-songwriter. I don't know of a single source that says something like: "The singer-songwriter, voice actress, director, Sia ....". Unless it can be shown that reliable sources commonly refer to her in such a way, this article's lead should not, as that would not be verifiable and would be "original research". LK ( talk) 04:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
You are misinterpreting the guideline (not a policy). WP:BLPLEAD states that the Lead sentence should mention the "noteworthy position(s) or role(s) the person held". The question here is whether, in addition to her singing and songwriting, her directing and voice acting are "noteworthy positions or roles ... emphasize what made the person notable". You and Binksternet don't think her directing and voice acting (which are clearly described in reliable sources) are what makes her notable. Fair enough. But don't pretend that the guideline must be interpreted in the most robotic way. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 03:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn’t it be "Sia Furler" because there are many people named Sia. Sqftedits ( talk) 01:04, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved:It is clear that Sia the musician is the primary topic. I have tried to fix all incoming links if any remains please WP:FIXIT Megan B.... It’s all coming to me till the end of time 10:11, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
– This was discussed once, back in 2015 [7], and had considerable support then. Now, seven years later, it is clear that Sia has enduring notability and can be considered the primary topic. While it's true that there are many pages listed at the dabpage Sia, most are for things named "SIA"; of the others, it's clear that the musician is the most notable. Much like Nelly, Robyn, Adele, Cher, and many others, we can move this article to the undisambiguated title for the benefit of the 5,000+ [8] readers that visit this page daily. 162 etc. ( talk) 06:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Please add how sia is a vegan to her personal life/animal activism part. 14.201.105.149 ( talk) 07:11, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
There are at least 2 (debateably 3) instances where Sia has done things that could be considered controversial, namely the Plastic Heart music video, Music, and her response to criticism surrounding it. However the article currently contains single sentences about these in a several thousand word text dump about her entire career stretching back over the last 25 years. For now I have added a small sentence in the summary about Music failing and the criticisms of the film, notably missing from the summary, despite it mentioning the film and the album it came out alongside, and then moving on to awards right after. Probably nothing, but if the edit is removed or reversed I might consider raising an eyebrow. TTTime05 ( talk) 23:02, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Note that many other celebrities have controversy sections for fewer and debateably lesser offenses. Perhaps this is improper here, but I feel like they might have been intentionally buried a bit. Or I'm a paranoid nutjob. Who knows. TTTime05 ( talk) 23:04, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
It's not one of her main occupations, which are singing and songwriting.But Sia was the director of the movie and heavily involved in its production. This was a major project of hers that she put a lot into, and much of the (very widespread) criticism around the movie has been directed at her. Just because her career has focused on other things in the past doesn't mean this isn't also significant. (Perhaps I'm biased because the first time I ever heard about Sia was in connection to Music, so I associate her firmly with the movie.) Aerin17 ( t • c) 05:05, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
How did she get the name Sia? (Or why). MBG02 ( talk) 17:36, 9 January 2023 (UTC)