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For the Shunzi Emperor's wife and the Kangxi Emperor's mother, see Talk:Kangxi_Emperor#Ethnicity of Kangxi's mother -- Nanshu 06:58, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Is Shunzi Huang Taiji's 8th or 9th son? Its is written that Empress Dowager Xiao Zhuang gave Huang Taiji his 9th son Fulin, but on this page it is written that he is Huang Taiji's 8th son. Is there a typo?
-- 222.64.21.119 ( talk) 04:06, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Academic review is required....
天下丛林饭似山 钵盂到处任君餐 黄金白玉非为贵 惟有袈裟披身难
朕为大地山河主 忧国忧民事转烦 百年三万六千日 不及僧家半日闲
来时糊涂去时迷 空在人间走这回 未曾生我谁是我 生我之时我是谁
长大成人方是我 合眼蒙眬又是谁 不如不来亦不去 来时欢喜去时悲
悲欢离合多劳虑 何日清闲谁得知 若能了达僧家事 从此回头不算迟
世间难比出家人 无牵无挂得安宜 口中吃得清和味 身上常穿百衲衣
五湖四海为上客 皆因宿世种菩提 个个都是真罗汉 披搭如来三种衣
金乌玉兔东复西 为人切莫用心机 百年世事三更梦 万里乾坤一局棋
禹开九洲汤放桀 秦吞六国汉登基 古来多少英雄汉 南北山头卧土泥
黄袍换却紫袈裟 只为当年一念差 我本西方一衲子 为何落在帝王家
十八年来不自由 南征北讨几时休 我今撒手西方去 不管千秋与万秋 —Preceding
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This article gives his name in Chinese and "Mongolian" (although it doesn't look like Mongolian to me), but it does not give his name in Manchu. This seems very odd for a Manchu emperor. Can someone add this information and correct the Mongolian? Tibetologist ( talk) 10:31, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
He may hold a Mogolian title, since Manchu ruled mongolia,at least inner mongolia, in his time.-- 刻意(Kèyì) 02:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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I want to make sure that it's clear that I think very highly of this piece of work. I do believe that Featured status is within sight here.
That being said, please be cognizant of your word choice. I read and write at a graduate to postgraduate level. Words like extirpate don't give me any pause, and I'm quite used to reading and digesting high level academic papers written with specific discourse communities in mind. Among consumers of Wikipedia's content, however, I'm in a distinct minority. I'm not saying that you should dumb anything down, but I am saying that when given the choice between 'extirpate' and 'root out' or between 'uterine brothers' and 'maternal half-brothers', choose the one that more people are going to understand without having to google.
Anyways, I look forward to working with you on getting everything cleared up. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:36, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
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I'm not going to go through and change all the icons again. Everything has been fixed up to a degree that I feel comfortable rating this a GA. It's a spectacular piece of work, and I look forward to the FAC that I see in its near future.
PROMOTED Sven Manguard Wha? 15:51, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, so if he is the third emperor, then why does the article about his predessessor say that he is the first ? Eregli bob ( talk) 10:43, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
The Qing Emperors since Shunzhi onward identified China and the Qing as the same, and in treaties and diplomatic papers the Qing called itself "China". [1]
Rajmaan ( talk) 08:56, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't know why the English Wikipedia doesn't consider Nurhachi as the first emperor of the Qing dynasty, but the Chinese Wikipedia does, and the English Wikipedia of the Liao dynasty considers Yelu A Baoji as the first, but the Chinese doesn't consider him as the first(thought that is some unclear as well). (I am new here and not an English speaker, sorry if my description is not clear) ShotOnIphone. . ( talk) 11:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Wengier, it looks like this article was deconstructed by an anonymous unexplained series of edits [16]. The previous article seems to be more inline with your changes. I'd not alter the 8 October 1643 Dynasty date since that's talk about the dynasty in general, not the dynasty while it ruled China. Aza24 (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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For the Shunzi Emperor's wife and the Kangxi Emperor's mother, see Talk:Kangxi_Emperor#Ethnicity of Kangxi's mother -- Nanshu 06:58, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Is Shunzi Huang Taiji's 8th or 9th son? Its is written that Empress Dowager Xiao Zhuang gave Huang Taiji his 9th son Fulin, but on this page it is written that he is Huang Taiji's 8th son. Is there a typo?
-- 222.64.21.119 ( talk) 04:06, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Academic review is required....
天下丛林饭似山 钵盂到处任君餐 黄金白玉非为贵 惟有袈裟披身难
朕为大地山河主 忧国忧民事转烦 百年三万六千日 不及僧家半日闲
来时糊涂去时迷 空在人间走这回 未曾生我谁是我 生我之时我是谁
长大成人方是我 合眼蒙眬又是谁 不如不来亦不去 来时欢喜去时悲
悲欢离合多劳虑 何日清闲谁得知 若能了达僧家事 从此回头不算迟
世间难比出家人 无牵无挂得安宜 口中吃得清和味 身上常穿百衲衣
五湖四海为上客 皆因宿世种菩提 个个都是真罗汉 披搭如来三种衣
金乌玉兔东复西 为人切莫用心机 百年世事三更梦 万里乾坤一局棋
禹开九洲汤放桀 秦吞六国汉登基 古来多少英雄汉 南北山头卧土泥
黄袍换却紫袈裟 只为当年一念差 我本西方一衲子 为何落在帝王家
十八年来不自由 南征北讨几时休 我今撒手西方去 不管千秋与万秋 —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
222.64.21.119 (
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04:10, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
-- 222.64.21.119 ( talk) 04:19, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
-- 222.64.21.119 ( talk) 04:28, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
-- 222.64.216.81 ( talk) 06:15, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
This article gives his name in Chinese and "Mongolian" (although it doesn't look like Mongolian to me), but it does not give his name in Manchu. This seems very odd for a Manchu emperor. Can someone add this information and correct the Mongolian? Tibetologist ( talk) 10:31, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
He may hold a Mogolian title, since Manchu ruled mongolia,at least inner mongolia, in his time.-- 刻意(Kèyì) 02:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Sven Manguard ( talk · contribs) 04:12, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
GAN Quicksheet 1.23 SM
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Starting comments: Well... umm... this is going to be an FA. It's very clearly near that level right now. Down to the details then...
1. Well written:
Initial concerns (all addressed)
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2. Accurate and verifiable:
Section acceptable
3. Broad in coverage:
4. Neutral:
Section acceptable
6. Image use:
Section acceptable
7. Additional items not required for a GA, but requested by the reviewer:
Comments after the initial review:
I want to make sure that it's clear that I think very highly of this piece of work. I do believe that Featured status is within sight here.
That being said, please be cognizant of your word choice. I read and write at a graduate to postgraduate level. Words like extirpate don't give me any pause, and I'm quite used to reading and digesting high level academic papers written with specific discourse communities in mind. Among consumers of Wikipedia's content, however, I'm in a distinct minority. I'm not saying that you should dumb anything down, but I am saying that when given the choice between 'extirpate' and 'root out' or between 'uterine brothers' and 'maternal half-brothers', choose the one that more people are going to understand without having to google.
Anyways, I look forward to working with you on getting everything cleared up. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:36, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Closing comments:
I'm not going to go through and change all the icons again. Everything has been fixed up to a degree that I feel comfortable rating this a GA. It's a spectacular piece of work, and I look forward to the FAC that I see in its near future.
PROMOTED Sven Manguard Wha? 15:51, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, so if he is the third emperor, then why does the article about his predessessor say that he is the first ? Eregli bob ( talk) 10:43, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
The Qing Emperors since Shunzhi onward identified China and the Qing as the same, and in treaties and diplomatic papers the Qing called itself "China". [1]
Rajmaan ( talk) 08:56, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't know why the English Wikipedia doesn't consider Nurhachi as the first emperor of the Qing dynasty, but the Chinese Wikipedia does, and the English Wikipedia of the Liao dynasty considers Yelu A Baoji as the first, but the Chinese doesn't consider him as the first(thought that is some unclear as well). (I am new here and not an English speaker, sorry if my description is not clear) ShotOnIphone. . ( talk) 11:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Wengier, it looks like this article was deconstructed by an anonymous unexplained series of edits [16]. The previous article seems to be more inline with your changes. I'd not alter the 8 October 1643 Dynasty date since that's talk about the dynasty in general, not the dynasty while it ruled China. Aza24 (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)