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The result of the move request was: moved. Pageviews signify there is no argument for
WP:PT1 here, and the only !oppose is based on
WP:PT2, which is a claim that is rejected by the nom (which multiple !supports refer back to). Directing readers to the DAB page seems to be the safe call here. There also seems to be more of a consensus to move the article that was previously at Shoot to
Shoot (botany); that move will be carried out. (
closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory(talk •contribs)02:40, 10 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose Plant is primary by longterm significance. If someone was going to look for the gun meaning, they'd specifically type "shooting". And photo shoot's such a tiny article it can easily be merged into
Photography#Commercial, so I am not convinced there either.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
05:35, 2 July 2023 (UTC)reply
https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Shoot indicates ~4.9k incoming views in May '23, and only 65 clicks on the hatnote (~1%), but at the same time it was the #2 clicked link even with such a low volume. This is not really clear by itself, because we can argue both that most readers don't care to read more and that it's effectively a dead end for navigation (i.e. that we should want to encourage reading more). Because "shoot" is also a very common English verb, not just a noun, I would err on the side of caution and disambiguate. Certainly it can be done as an experiment and we can check the stats for a few months afterwards, and see if navigation outcomes have changed or improved. --
Joy (
talk)
08:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTDICTIONARY applies - disambiguations should not be there solely because a word is common. There need to be multiple competing primary topics under the same name. In this case I don't think any other topic rises to that level. The most major alternate topic is a pro wrestling term, but while it gets more views, it lacks longterm significance in comparison to a basic botany concept.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
09:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Sure, but we also habitually combine topic titles, and "shooting" is one of the contenders for "shoot". --
Joy (
talk)
09:48, 2 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Leaning support on the strength of page views (though I think this is a close call), with
Shoot (botany) as the preferred new title for the botany article. I note that such a thing as a
Turkey shoot also exists.
BD2412T02:52, 3 July 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Zxcvbnm: I am aware of that, but "Turkey shoot" is exemplary of the use of "shoot" as a noun to indicate a a shooting event. Variations like "fox shoot" and "pigeon shoot" are also attested.
BD2412T00:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Support per nomination, Paintspot Infez, In ictu oculi, BD2412, 64.229.90.172, Necrothesp and also per comment by Joy. Would likewise support the alternative option
Shoot →
Shoot (botany) per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ, Plantdrew and BD2412. The various meanings of "shoot" may remind users of the punctuation examples in Eats, Shoots & Leaves. —
Roman Spinner(talk •
contribs)04:53, 9 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
post-move
Since the move in July, we have many months of page view stats
[2] and outgoing clickstreams:
August (1535)
Shoot_(botany) link 172
Shooting link 32
Shoot_(professional_wrestling) link 23
Shoot_(football_magazine) link 14
Shoot_(Burden) link 13
September (1244)
Shoot_(botany) link 127
Shooting link 23
Shoot_(professional_wrestling) link 14
Shoot_(football_magazine) link 11
Shoot_(film) link 10
October (1022)
Shoot_(botany) link 114
Shooting link 14
Shoot_(football_magazine) link 14
Photo_shoot link 10
November (952)
Shoot_(botany) link 115
Shooting link 28
Shoot_(professional_wrestling) link 15
December (681)
Shoot_(botany) link 99
Shooting link 25
Shoot_(professional_wrestling) link 12
Shoot_(football_magazine) link 12
So the ratios of the measurable traffic to the top link to the previous assumed primary topic and the total incoming views have been ~11%, ~10%, ~11%, ~12%, ~14.5%. --
Joy (
talk)
19:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)reply
This disambiguation page is within the scope of WikiProject Disambiguation, an attempt to structure and organize all
disambiguation pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, you can edit the page attached to this talk page, or visit the
project page, where you can join the project or contribute to the
discussion.DisambiguationWikipedia:WikiProject DisambiguationTemplate:WikiProject DisambiguationDisambiguation articles
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Pageviews signify there is no argument for
WP:PT1 here, and the only !oppose is based on
WP:PT2, which is a claim that is rejected by the nom (which multiple !supports refer back to). Directing readers to the DAB page seems to be the safe call here. There also seems to be more of a consensus to move the article that was previously at Shoot to
Shoot (botany); that move will be carried out. (
closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory(talk •contribs)02:40, 10 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose Plant is primary by longterm significance. If someone was going to look for the gun meaning, they'd specifically type "shooting". And photo shoot's such a tiny article it can easily be merged into
Photography#Commercial, so I am not convinced there either.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
05:35, 2 July 2023 (UTC)reply
https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Shoot indicates ~4.9k incoming views in May '23, and only 65 clicks on the hatnote (~1%), but at the same time it was the #2 clicked link even with such a low volume. This is not really clear by itself, because we can argue both that most readers don't care to read more and that it's effectively a dead end for navigation (i.e. that we should want to encourage reading more). Because "shoot" is also a very common English verb, not just a noun, I would err on the side of caution and disambiguate. Certainly it can be done as an experiment and we can check the stats for a few months afterwards, and see if navigation outcomes have changed or improved. --
Joy (
talk)
08:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)reply
WP:NOTDICTIONARY applies - disambiguations should not be there solely because a word is common. There need to be multiple competing primary topics under the same name. In this case I don't think any other topic rises to that level. The most major alternate topic is a pro wrestling term, but while it gets more views, it lacks longterm significance in comparison to a basic botany concept.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
09:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Sure, but we also habitually combine topic titles, and "shooting" is one of the contenders for "shoot". --
Joy (
talk)
09:48, 2 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Leaning support on the strength of page views (though I think this is a close call), with
Shoot (botany) as the preferred new title for the botany article. I note that such a thing as a
Turkey shoot also exists.
BD2412T02:52, 3 July 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Zxcvbnm: I am aware of that, but "Turkey shoot" is exemplary of the use of "shoot" as a noun to indicate a a shooting event. Variations like "fox shoot" and "pigeon shoot" are also attested.
BD2412T00:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Support per nomination, Paintspot Infez, In ictu oculi, BD2412, 64.229.90.172, Necrothesp and also per comment by Joy. Would likewise support the alternative option
Shoot →
Shoot (botany) per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ, Plantdrew and BD2412. The various meanings of "shoot" may remind users of the punctuation examples in Eats, Shoots & Leaves. —
Roman Spinner(talk •
contribs)04:53, 9 July 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
post-move
Since the move in July, we have many months of page view stats
[2] and outgoing clickstreams:
August (1535)
Shoot_(botany) link 172
Shooting link 32
Shoot_(professional_wrestling) link 23
Shoot_(football_magazine) link 14
Shoot_(Burden) link 13
September (1244)
Shoot_(botany) link 127
Shooting link 23
Shoot_(professional_wrestling) link 14
Shoot_(football_magazine) link 11
Shoot_(film) link 10
October (1022)
Shoot_(botany) link 114
Shooting link 14
Shoot_(football_magazine) link 14
Photo_shoot link 10
November (952)
Shoot_(botany) link 115
Shooting link 28
Shoot_(professional_wrestling) link 15
December (681)
Shoot_(botany) link 99
Shooting link 25
Shoot_(professional_wrestling) link 12
Shoot_(football_magazine) link 12
So the ratios of the measurable traffic to the top link to the previous assumed primary topic and the total incoming views have been ~11%, ~10%, ~11%, ~12%, ~14.5%. --
Joy (
talk)
19:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)reply