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1) I don't understand the ordering in this revision. First it mentions R Abbahu's enactment, then there is a bunch of unrelated stuff, then there is more discussion of the enactment (three different understandings of it). Shouldn't everything related to the edit be together?
2) The paragraph beginning "The first series has a combination..." - this is true for only one of the the understandings of R Abbahu, so I think it should not be mentioned without qualification? This also applies somewhat to the two paragraphs which follow it. Ar2332 ( talk) 14:06, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Ar2332, shalom. I have been noticing your recent edits on this page, and I have no doubt that your intentions are good. With that said, I still think that there are easier ways to explain to our readers the development of this Jewish practice of blowing the ram's horn (shofar) on New Years Day. Since the original practice was ONLY 9 blasts (no more and no less), but Rav Abbahu came along and enacted a total of THIRTY blasts, do you see anything inherently wrong or complex with the following edit? My view is that we should endeavor to explain to our readers the development of these additional blasts as simply and as lucid as possible.
Originally, the shofar was only blown nine times on Rosh Hashana - specifically, three sets of tekiah-teruah-tekiah. [1] [2] [3]
This practice was later changed by Rav Abbahu of Caesarea (3rd century CE), because of doubts that had arisen surrounding the actual performance of this commandment.
During the first series, Rav Abbahu enacted that they blow a [very long] sustained blast (Teki'ah), followed by three [short] lilting blasts (Shevarim), with the resounding pitch of a person who is crying, and again by a [very long] sustained blast (Teki'ah). This series was to be repeated three times, for a total of 12 blasts. This prescribed order is often called by the mnemonics: TaSHRaT – Teki'ah, Shevarim, Teru'ah, Teki'ah. [4] [5]
During the second series, he enacted that they blow one [very long] sustained blast (Teki'ah), followed by three [short] lilting blasts (Shevarim), followed by a [very long] sustained blast (Teki'ah). This series was also to be repeated three times. This prescribed order is often called by the mnemonics: TaSHaT – Teki'ah, Shevarim, Teki'ah. [6] [5]
During the third series, he enacted that they blow a [very long] sustained blast (Teki'ah), followed by a [long] quavering blast (Teru'ah), and again a [very long] sustained blast (Teki'ah). Again, this series was to be repeated three times. This prescribed order is often called by the mnemonics: TaRaT – Teki'ah, Teru'ah, Teki'ah. [7] [5]
The first series has a combination of four interchanging sounds made by the horn, which, when repeated thrice, make for a total of twelve blasts. The second series has a combination of three interchanging sounds, which, when repeated thrice, make for a total of nine blasts. The third and final series has a combination of three interchanging sounds, which, when repeated thrice, make for a total of nine blasts. The sum total is thirty blasts. [8] This understanding has been accepted by modern halakha, which requires that a person hear 30 blasts on Rosh Hashana. [9]
Besides the greater number of blasts made by the horn, the substantial change made by Rav Abbahu is in his adding the "short, lilting blasts" (Shevarim), which blasts have the resounding pitch of a person who is crying. This was added because of a doubt originating over the meaning of the word used by Onkelos and by the Targum Yerushalmi, both Aramaic translations on Lev. 23:24 and Num. 29:1, and where both texts translate "a quavering blast" (Teru'ah) as "a wailing sound," (Aramaic: Yababa), which happens to be also the same word used in describing the sound made by the mother of Sisera in Judges 5:28, when she moaned the loss of her son. With the ram's horn, it was not known if this word meant short, intermittent lilting blasts, or one long quavering blast, from whence he prescribed that they do both in the first series.
Another doubt, however, arose because of this enactment. It was not known whether or not the addition of "three short lilting blasts" in between the older practice would disqualify the whole. For this reason, they also blow "three short lilting blasts" in a series by itself, and "one long quavering blast" in a series by itself. Each is done separately.
References
Davidbena ( talk) 20:34, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Debresser asked on my talk page:
The banner links to Template:Lang#Rationale which has big-picture reasons, but more specifically today I have been working off a moss report listing the English Wikipedia articles with the greatest number of potential typos. That report lists the following for this article:
Since these are in Latin script rather than Hebrew, I'd probably put them in {{ transl}} rather than {{ lang}}. -- Beland ( talk) 21:35, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
User:Debresser, I will be making the corrections to this article based on the {{ lang}} template. Are you in agreement that we use the following format? example: la`az (לעז) → la`az (לעז)? Or perhaps only the word's transliteration, as shown here: tekē'a, or this? pronounced [teqiʔa] Davidbena ( talk) 18:03, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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1) I don't understand the ordering in this revision. First it mentions R Abbahu's enactment, then there is a bunch of unrelated stuff, then there is more discussion of the enactment (three different understandings of it). Shouldn't everything related to the edit be together?
2) The paragraph beginning "The first series has a combination..." - this is true for only one of the the understandings of R Abbahu, so I think it should not be mentioned without qualification? This also applies somewhat to the two paragraphs which follow it. Ar2332 ( talk) 14:06, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Ar2332, shalom. I have been noticing your recent edits on this page, and I have no doubt that your intentions are good. With that said, I still think that there are easier ways to explain to our readers the development of this Jewish practice of blowing the ram's horn (shofar) on New Years Day. Since the original practice was ONLY 9 blasts (no more and no less), but Rav Abbahu came along and enacted a total of THIRTY blasts, do you see anything inherently wrong or complex with the following edit? My view is that we should endeavor to explain to our readers the development of these additional blasts as simply and as lucid as possible.
Originally, the shofar was only blown nine times on Rosh Hashana - specifically, three sets of tekiah-teruah-tekiah. [1] [2] [3]
This practice was later changed by Rav Abbahu of Caesarea (3rd century CE), because of doubts that had arisen surrounding the actual performance of this commandment.
During the first series, Rav Abbahu enacted that they blow a [very long] sustained blast (Teki'ah), followed by three [short] lilting blasts (Shevarim), with the resounding pitch of a person who is crying, and again by a [very long] sustained blast (Teki'ah). This series was to be repeated three times, for a total of 12 blasts. This prescribed order is often called by the mnemonics: TaSHRaT – Teki'ah, Shevarim, Teru'ah, Teki'ah. [4] [5]
During the second series, he enacted that they blow one [very long] sustained blast (Teki'ah), followed by three [short] lilting blasts (Shevarim), followed by a [very long] sustained blast (Teki'ah). This series was also to be repeated three times. This prescribed order is often called by the mnemonics: TaSHaT – Teki'ah, Shevarim, Teki'ah. [6] [5]
During the third series, he enacted that they blow a [very long] sustained blast (Teki'ah), followed by a [long] quavering blast (Teru'ah), and again a [very long] sustained blast (Teki'ah). Again, this series was to be repeated three times. This prescribed order is often called by the mnemonics: TaRaT – Teki'ah, Teru'ah, Teki'ah. [7] [5]
The first series has a combination of four interchanging sounds made by the horn, which, when repeated thrice, make for a total of twelve blasts. The second series has a combination of three interchanging sounds, which, when repeated thrice, make for a total of nine blasts. The third and final series has a combination of three interchanging sounds, which, when repeated thrice, make for a total of nine blasts. The sum total is thirty blasts. [8] This understanding has been accepted by modern halakha, which requires that a person hear 30 blasts on Rosh Hashana. [9]
Besides the greater number of blasts made by the horn, the substantial change made by Rav Abbahu is in his adding the "short, lilting blasts" (Shevarim), which blasts have the resounding pitch of a person who is crying. This was added because of a doubt originating over the meaning of the word used by Onkelos and by the Targum Yerushalmi, both Aramaic translations on Lev. 23:24 and Num. 29:1, and where both texts translate "a quavering blast" (Teru'ah) as "a wailing sound," (Aramaic: Yababa), which happens to be also the same word used in describing the sound made by the mother of Sisera in Judges 5:28, when she moaned the loss of her son. With the ram's horn, it was not known if this word meant short, intermittent lilting blasts, or one long quavering blast, from whence he prescribed that they do both in the first series.
Another doubt, however, arose because of this enactment. It was not known whether or not the addition of "three short lilting blasts" in between the older practice would disqualify the whole. For this reason, they also blow "three short lilting blasts" in a series by itself, and "one long quavering blast" in a series by itself. Each is done separately.
References
Davidbena ( talk) 20:34, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Debresser asked on my talk page:
The banner links to Template:Lang#Rationale which has big-picture reasons, but more specifically today I have been working off a moss report listing the English Wikipedia articles with the greatest number of potential typos. That report lists the following for this article:
Since these are in Latin script rather than Hebrew, I'd probably put them in {{ transl}} rather than {{ lang}}. -- Beland ( talk) 21:35, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
User:Debresser, I will be making the corrections to this article based on the {{ lang}} template. Are you in agreement that we use the following format? example: la`az (לעז) → la`az (לעז)? Or perhaps only the word's transliteration, as shown here: tekē'a, or this? pronounced [teqiʔa] Davidbena ( talk) 18:03, 13 August 2020 (UTC)