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I'm surprised this article presents the incident as fact though any number of sources cast doubt on whether the incident actually took place at least as described. Certainly he pounded his fists on the table and at some point he either removed his shoe or it came off on its own. But there seems to be no concrete evidence he actually pounded it on the table. See for example [1]. Gr8white ( talk) 16:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
As a kid, I saw a video of it on TV a few decades after it happened. Or, that's what I remember. K was up on the podium giving a speech about, i dunno, nuclear war or something, and he got more and more agitated, then he started yelling, pounding with his fist against the podium, then he reached down, grabbed his shoe and started banging the heel against the podium as he continued his tirade. "We will bury you!!!". "The living will envy the dead!" History, captured on videotape by multiple news channels from around the world.
So I guess it didn't happen that way? I was a kid or a teen when I learned about it. Maybe I saw a picture or a few, and it easily could have been that faked photo (where he's banging the wrong side against the table). And my father was republican, and maybe I heard the republican version of the story. Possibly, over and over again. That was the cold war belief system that kept the US building weapons.
This is just too strange. There must have been at least 100 witnesses to it in the same room, maybe several hundred. Nobody remembers it? No photos? Didn't they have a complete electronic audio system with translators so each diplomat can participate? Nobody tape recorded this? Not even a steno pad? Doesn't the govt of the Phillipines have a record of when Sumulong spoke at the podium? I refuse to believe that the UN doesn't have records of this, or records that could prove it false. I refuse to believe that there wasn't a flurry of letter-writing about it at least, if it really happened. It's not like it was in a small room and they all died and so there's no way to know what really happened. K and S and the moderator and everybody else involved, they all walked out the door that day, still alive, along with each man's entourage, and must have told somebody, if it really happened.
great article about it! http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/26/opinion/26iht-edtaubman_ed3_.html or [3] below.
OsamaBinLogin ( talk) 07:02, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
I gather there's no photo of this incident, but I've just added this page to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of historical events in the hope that there is. Comet Tuttle ( talk) 15:33, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
A New York Times Page 1 article from October 13, 1960 claiming he banged it: [3] A New York Times editorial from 2003 which references a photographer from the time claiming it didn't happen: [4]
Oh, the unreliability of human eyewitnesses! -- Aervanath ( talk) 15:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
I suggest that this page be moved to a more approptiate title, for exapmple "UN Shoe Banging Incident" or "Khrushchev Shoe banging incident" 27.32.52.160 ( talk) 01:08, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
The photo from the NY Times Store can serve definite proof of this incident. http://www.nytstore.com/1/1/3051-soviet-premier-nikita-khrushchev-1960-nsapfs5.html However, it's clearly not available for insertion here on WikiPedia. Question: should it be at least mentioned in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bornmw ( talk • contribs) 04:39, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the addition. Next time keep in mind you don't need to ask a permission for an addition of anything relevant and well referenced. -No.Altenmann >t 05:06, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't see how this incident (or these incidents) can be called alleged.
I have doubts about the correctness of that RAI video ( http://www.raistoria.rai.it/articoli/la-scarpa-di-kruscev/11034/default.aspx). At the time 0:15 sec you can see clearly, that there are at least a couple of awards on the right side of the guy. There is no NewYork photos of Khrushchev with two awards on the right side. Sometimes there is one (possibly Lenin Prize medal, like here http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/polish-president-wladyslaw-gomulka-with-soviet-premeir-news-photo/2636930), but mostly there were none, especially during UN meetings. People around him doesn't resemble people on any other photos (the guy to right slightly looks like Gromyko, but seems older). -- Alogrin ( talk) 09:57, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
If it is not Nikita Khrushchev in RAI's video footage (at 15 sec), then who is it? And when and where was it recorded? -- Bensin ( talk) 17:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
As there are multiple sources that confirm that the incident occurred on the 12th, is there any point in canvassing other dates any more?-- Jack Upland ( talk) 11:57, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Is this real? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKdo1xwVK7s Charles Juvon ( talk) 20:35, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
File:Nikita Khrushchev's shoe-banging incident.gif Charles Juvon ( talk) 21:27, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
The photo caption in the 'Description of incident' section says "23 September", but the main article says 12 October and the photo in the lead says "22 September"? JezGrove ( talk) 19:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
This content: "In 2003, American scholar William Taubman reported that he had interviewed some eyewitnesses who said that Khrushchev had brandished his shoe but not banged it. He also reported that no photographic or video records of the shoe-banging had been found. However, in his biography of Khrushchev, he wrote that he accepted that the shoe-banging had occurred. There is at least one fake photograph, where a shoe was added into an existing photograph.[dead link]" should not be in the lead. Rather it should be placed within the section Subsequent commentary along with the other witnessed accounts to provide NPOV. Considering the dead link, and that the account is from 2003, there is more weight from first hand accounts at the time that say it did happen than not. It is also contradictory of itself and is not "lead" content but more article material. Maineartists ( talk) 02:06, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
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I'm surprised this article presents the incident as fact though any number of sources cast doubt on whether the incident actually took place at least as described. Certainly he pounded his fists on the table and at some point he either removed his shoe or it came off on its own. But there seems to be no concrete evidence he actually pounded it on the table. See for example [1]. Gr8white ( talk) 16:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
As a kid, I saw a video of it on TV a few decades after it happened. Or, that's what I remember. K was up on the podium giving a speech about, i dunno, nuclear war or something, and he got more and more agitated, then he started yelling, pounding with his fist against the podium, then he reached down, grabbed his shoe and started banging the heel against the podium as he continued his tirade. "We will bury you!!!". "The living will envy the dead!" History, captured on videotape by multiple news channels from around the world.
So I guess it didn't happen that way? I was a kid or a teen when I learned about it. Maybe I saw a picture or a few, and it easily could have been that faked photo (where he's banging the wrong side against the table). And my father was republican, and maybe I heard the republican version of the story. Possibly, over and over again. That was the cold war belief system that kept the US building weapons.
This is just too strange. There must have been at least 100 witnesses to it in the same room, maybe several hundred. Nobody remembers it? No photos? Didn't they have a complete electronic audio system with translators so each diplomat can participate? Nobody tape recorded this? Not even a steno pad? Doesn't the govt of the Phillipines have a record of when Sumulong spoke at the podium? I refuse to believe that the UN doesn't have records of this, or records that could prove it false. I refuse to believe that there wasn't a flurry of letter-writing about it at least, if it really happened. It's not like it was in a small room and they all died and so there's no way to know what really happened. K and S and the moderator and everybody else involved, they all walked out the door that day, still alive, along with each man's entourage, and must have told somebody, if it really happened.
great article about it! http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/26/opinion/26iht-edtaubman_ed3_.html or [3] below.
OsamaBinLogin ( talk) 07:02, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
I gather there's no photo of this incident, but I've just added this page to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of historical events in the hope that there is. Comet Tuttle ( talk) 15:33, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
A New York Times Page 1 article from October 13, 1960 claiming he banged it: [3] A New York Times editorial from 2003 which references a photographer from the time claiming it didn't happen: [4]
Oh, the unreliability of human eyewitnesses! -- Aervanath ( talk) 15:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
I suggest that this page be moved to a more approptiate title, for exapmple "UN Shoe Banging Incident" or "Khrushchev Shoe banging incident" 27.32.52.160 ( talk) 01:08, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
The photo from the NY Times Store can serve definite proof of this incident. http://www.nytstore.com/1/1/3051-soviet-premier-nikita-khrushchev-1960-nsapfs5.html However, it's clearly not available for insertion here on WikiPedia. Question: should it be at least mentioned in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bornmw ( talk • contribs) 04:39, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the addition. Next time keep in mind you don't need to ask a permission for an addition of anything relevant and well referenced. -No.Altenmann >t 05:06, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't see how this incident (or these incidents) can be called alleged.
I have doubts about the correctness of that RAI video ( http://www.raistoria.rai.it/articoli/la-scarpa-di-kruscev/11034/default.aspx). At the time 0:15 sec you can see clearly, that there are at least a couple of awards on the right side of the guy. There is no NewYork photos of Khrushchev with two awards on the right side. Sometimes there is one (possibly Lenin Prize medal, like here http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/polish-president-wladyslaw-gomulka-with-soviet-premeir-news-photo/2636930), but mostly there were none, especially during UN meetings. People around him doesn't resemble people on any other photos (the guy to right slightly looks like Gromyko, but seems older). -- Alogrin ( talk) 09:57, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
If it is not Nikita Khrushchev in RAI's video footage (at 15 sec), then who is it? And when and where was it recorded? -- Bensin ( talk) 17:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
As there are multiple sources that confirm that the incident occurred on the 12th, is there any point in canvassing other dates any more?-- Jack Upland ( talk) 11:57, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Is this real? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKdo1xwVK7s Charles Juvon ( talk) 20:35, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
File:Nikita Khrushchev's shoe-banging incident.gif Charles Juvon ( talk) 21:27, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
The photo caption in the 'Description of incident' section says "23 September", but the main article says 12 October and the photo in the lead says "22 September"? JezGrove ( talk) 19:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
This content: "In 2003, American scholar William Taubman reported that he had interviewed some eyewitnesses who said that Khrushchev had brandished his shoe but not banged it. He also reported that no photographic or video records of the shoe-banging had been found. However, in his biography of Khrushchev, he wrote that he accepted that the shoe-banging had occurred. There is at least one fake photograph, where a shoe was added into an existing photograph.[dead link]" should not be in the lead. Rather it should be placed within the section Subsequent commentary along with the other witnessed accounts to provide NPOV. Considering the dead link, and that the account is from 2003, there is more weight from first hand accounts at the time that say it did happen than not. It is also contradictory of itself and is not "lead" content but more article material. Maineartists ( talk) 02:06, 29 June 2023 (UTC)