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Since when has there been a policy to remove content because the source is considered too old? Since when did the age of the source became a question about its reliability factor? Akshaypatill - Your reasoning for removing content due to the age of the source is baseless. There is another source included which is of 2016 and yet you still removed the content. MehmoodS ( talk) 13:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
User:Fowler&fowler You have removed a image from the article with vague explanation. Can you cite a source that says it is misleading illustration. Your explanation seems like original research to me. Akshaypatill ( talk) 04:06, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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Change the title shivaji to Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj NihalChavan2002 ( talk) 14:07, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
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14:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)User:Vanamonde93 The content you removed from my edit is in the book on page number 121. I have updated the page number - It says - It would be inconsistent with the facts of history to say that Shivaji invaded Bardes to avenge the policy of religious persecution of the Hindus by the Portuguese. There is no reference to this either in the Treaty or in the records. There was no premediated plan to kill the three Priests. The Priests and a few Christians must have been killed in the course of action. Shivaji had adopted a policy of religious toleration and he would not interfere with any state on religious grounds. Akshaypatill ( talk) 18:13, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
"though there was no premeditated plan to kill them and they must have been killed in the course of action". Please explain how that is supported by the page you linked; as far as I can see, all it says is that three priests and a few Christians were killed in what Shivaji considered a punitive expedition. Vanamonde ( Talk) 18:25, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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Naming of Shivaji is the insult of Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj so people taking about shivaji by taking only his initials this is wrong because they Crated So much to the India and World and given Big ideal Personality,I know You will Accept My Request. Shambhusohan ( talk) 18:43, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Newly found birth years of Shivaji maharaj is 1627. Pl refer Sardar Mujumdar's Hastlikhit note in Modi lipi,as per published in Pudhari Paper dated 19th Nov 2021. 2409:4042:4E00:1257:0:0:C24B:5815 ( talk) 17:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
सरदार मुजूरमदार यांचे मोडी लिपीतील हस्तलिखित प्रमाणे महाराजांचा जन्म शके १५४९ ईसवी सन १६२७ असा आहे. 2409:4042:4E00:1257:0:0:C24B:5815 ( talk) 17:51, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Please provide source. Also this is English Wikipedia so it would be better if you could communicate through English. Akshaypatill ( talk) 18:41, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
I am moving the section after the military as it disrupts the flow of the article. Also, it isn't really about Shivaji but the Maratha empire and we have a separate page for the Maratha empire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akshaypatill ( talk • contribs) 17:04, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Those idiots write here james laine was academician , they dont know this so called great scholar citing his colleagues's joke as a historical truth , is it worth of a historical facts? is he scholar ? Dare to speak truth if you say you are a scholar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.133.232.89 ( talk) 00:33, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
User:Diannaa Will this be okay?
As per Sardar Mujumdar Hastlikhit, Shivaji Maharaj Birthyear derived as 1627. 2409:4042:4CC6:A402:0:0:C20B:1206 ( talk) 15:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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Shivaji Bhonsale I, also referred to as Chhatrapati Shivaji, was an Indian ruler and a member of the Bhonsle Maratha clan. Shivaji carved out an enclave from the declining Adilshahi sultanate of Bijapur that formed the genesis of the Maratha Empire. 2401:4900:5190:1716:4419:EB18:7073:4BD6 ( talk) 15:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Please correct the name as Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj 106.210.188.242 ( talk) 19:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
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Please change the title from Shivaji to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj where ever needed. Thank You. 202.177.235.249 ( talk) 16:22, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
under "Early life" => "Background and context" "... In 1936, Shahaji joined in the service of Bijapur and obtained Poona as a grant. ..." "1936" cannot be correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djamak ( talk • contribs) 16:42, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Akshaypatill is deleting all negative things done by Shivaji. Wattissingh ( talk) 15:54, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Can you please point out your objections? I am sure I have given proper source to every edit I have made. Looking for objections from other editors too. Akshaypatill ( talk) 18:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Akshaypatill ( talk) 05:24, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
More likely, he [Shivaji] simply bribed the guards.TrangaBellam ( talk) 11:36, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
I managed to complete reading Mehendale and am strongly against using him as a source except for the most uncontroversial aspects.
Obvious Hindutva apologist at work-with descriptions about how Muslim men regularly persecuted Hindu women-,the book is a glorified collation of primary sources on Shivaji. To borrow from Munis D. Faruqui, the work reads like the British imperial gazetteers of yore: heavy on detail, low on arguments.
Compare this section on Shivaji's caste-change and coronation with how mundanely Mehendale covers the issue. Sheds necessary light on the work. TrangaBellam ( talk) 15:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
User:Vanamonde93 Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj is how he is commonly referred to. What should be explained if it is common name? It is common name is an explanation in itself. See Alexander the Great, Tipu Sultan, Ranjit Singh, Akbar, Rana Sanga, Hemu, Maharana Pratap. All these pages have there common or popular name. (The degree to which this name is brought on the talk page is evident to how common the name is.(Joke))
I have provided source that explicitly says it is his common name. Rowman & Littlefield is highly reputed publication [23] and the authors and editors are scholars. And the book is not about contemporary Mumbai. Akshaypatill ( talk) 03:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
We had discussed it earlier, but I wasn't aware that other pages have allowded to have common names. I can cite more sources for this. Akshaypatill ( talk) 05:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
John F. Richards did not specify anything about who was the first mover. We have Gordon explicitly stating that the precise chain of events that transpired in the camp won't ever be known to historical certainty.
I am acquainted with Sucheta Mahajan's scholarship but it is news to me that her father was a historian! Anyways, the broad-brush survey is hardly famed and quite old. TrangaBellam ( talk) 07:15, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
TrangaBellam ( talk) 07:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)But the upstart chieftain treacherously killed Afzal Khan during a negotiating session between the two men [..] Shivaji’s power and audacity had reached new heights.
This episode has become a matter of controversy among historians for a long time. Jadunath Sarkar, however, after weighing all recorded evidence in this behalf, has settled the point "that Afzal Khan struck the first blow" and that "Shivaji committed.... a preventive murder. It was a case of diamond cut diamond."E The conflict between Shivaji and Bijapur was essentially political in nature, and not communal.
Akshaypatill ( talk) 10:19, 19 December 2021 (UTC)There has been controversy as to who struck the first blow. It has been finally decided that Afzal Khan was the aggressor. Modern researchers have shown that Shivaji did everything in self-defence. Instead of allowing himself to be killed, he killed him instead.
Akshaypatill ( talk) 10:19, 19 December 2021 (UTC)...a mortal struggle in which Afzal khan tried to strangle Shivaji.
Akshaypatill ( talk) 10:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)As he walked in, the Khan rose and, in his first em-brace, gripped him tightly in his left arm and stabbed him with a dagger in the right hand. With great presence of mind, Shivaji saved the blow, ripping open the Khan's bowels with the tiger
Akshaypatill ( talk) 11:16, 19 December 2021 (UTC)Afzal calling Shivaji a “peasantboy”.......He feigns to embrace Shivaji, but quickly moves to stab him with a concealed knife. The knife grates against the chain mail, and Shivaji reacts in an instant, deals the huge khan a mortal blow with his sword, rips out his guts and slices off his head.
. A.R. Kulakarni (from here [30]]) also agrees. While others who say that Shivaji made the treachery has not provided any proof for treachery on part of Shivaji. Gordon has clearly stated that,Shivaji and His Times, was widely regarded as the authoritative follow-up to Grant Duff. An erudite, painstaking Rankean scholar, Sarkar was also able to access a wide variety of sources through his mastery of Persian, Marathi, and Arabic..
All this being said, I ain't proposing that we remove entirely remove everything, but we will incorporate both views. I am of the opinion that because it is based on the records and evidence, it deserves to be in the main body and not just in a footnote. Akshaypatill ( talk) 13:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)Certainly, Shivaji had every reason to be suspicious. In a parallel situation, a decade earlier, Afzal Khan had used just such a truce ceremony to imprison a Hindu general.
I am going to rewrite the 'Arrest in Agra and the escape section The section is wholly based on a single source from Gordon and there are quite a lot of sources and scholars who disagree with Gordon. Actually, dozens of scholars as I have listed below.
Gordon says that there is no proof for the 'Feigned illness by Shivaji'. But Jadunath Sarkar has presented a graphic account of Shivajï's visit to Aurangzeb at Agra and his escape from there. He has put forward a large volume of evidence from Rajasthani letters and Persian Akhbars (I have attached all the sources below.) A recent book by G. B. Mehendale too has provided some proofs. A. R. Kulkarni too iterates the same in his book. (In case anyone isn't familiar with these books, both these books are listed on Oxford Bibliographies Online as reference books for Maratha rule along with Gordon's book. [31]) Also Gordon, has used the word 'probably' to describe the bribing, which is a downright assumption and there are no proofs to back the statement. Eaton too has used the word probably.
I am citing a bunch of scholars who disagree with Gordon. -
Nonica Datta [32]
Undaunted, Shivaji feigned illness and, as a form of penance, began to send outenormous baskets filled with sweets to be distributed among the poor. On August 17, 1666, he and his son had themselves carried past their guards in these baskets. His escape, possibly the most thrilling episode in a life filled with high drama was to change the course of Indian history.
Prof. A. R. Kulkarni [33]
Jadunath Sarkar probed more deeply into this fascinating and romantic episode of Maratha History and put forth a large volume of evidence from Rajasthani letters and Persian Akhbars. With the help of this new material, he presented a graphic account of Shivajï's visit to Aurangzeb at Agra and his escape from there.... On 17th August 1666, he put himself in one of the large covered baskets and his son Sambhaji in another, to be carried as sweets tied to a pole on the shoulders of hired coolies. It was thus that he reached the outskirts of Agra, where two horses were ready for the father and the son and thence he travelled to Mathura and reached Rajgad on 20 November
Rajmohan Gandhi, Penguin Books [34]
A year later he presented himself at the Mughal court in Agra.However, not having been received with sufficient dignity, hecomplained, found himself in detention, and escaped famously in abasket of sweets.
Hermann Kulke, Dietmar Rothermund - Routledge
But Shivaji escaped from Delhi hidden in a basket; back in Pune, he consolidated his hold on the countryside. ... Rajputs as Aurangzeb had told him to do, Akbar had fled south and had joined hands with Shivaji's son and heir, Sambhaji.
Abraham Eraly, Penguin Books [35]
His escape was set for 29th August. That evening Shivaji and Shambhuji concealed themselves in sweetmeat baskets, and were carriedpast unsuspecting guards and taken to a secluded spot. There the fugitives got out and quickly proceeded to a suburb of the city, where Shivaji mounted a horse that had been kept ready for him, and set offwith Shambhuji behind him. Meanwhile, at Shivaji's residence, his half-brother Hiraji, who resembled Shivaji, took Shivaji's place in his couch, wearing Shivaji's distinctive gold ring. "He was directed to throw a piece of fine muslin over his head, but to display the ring he wore upon hishand, and when anyone came in, to feign to be asleep," says Khafi Khan.
Sachi K. Patel, Routledge [36]
Whilst Aurangzebe was pondering his options, Shivaji, growing restless, was also evaluating his options and eventually devised a plot for his own escape. He firstly sent away his comrades and servants, to ensure their safety. A short time later he feigned illness and as a tribute for his betterment he sent out sweets every evening to brahmins. At first the guards checked the baskets regularly, but later allowed them to pass unchecked. Shivaji capitalised on this opportunity and along with his son slipped into two baskets that were safely sent out. The baskets were deposited outside the city, and from there Shivaji and his son proceeded to Mathurā in disguise. They continued to their home in the mountains of Maharashtra.
Claude Markovits, Anthem Press [37]
However, they tricked the royal guards and managed toescape in a basket of sweets which was to be sent as gift to theBrahmins Shivaji reached Maharashtra in September AD 1666.
Jadunath Sirkar, Raghubir Sihn [38]
Being thus freed from anxiety about his followers, Shivaji set about devising plans for his own escape. He feigned illness and began to send out of his house every evening sweetmeats for brahmans, religious mendicants and influential courtiers. The guards searched the baskets for some days and then allowed them to pass out un- challenged. This was the opportunity for which Shivaji had been waiting. In the afternoon of 19th August,9 he sent word to his guards
J. L. Mehta [39]
He, however, cutwitted the crafty monarch in securing his liberation. He feigned illness and cleverly escaped with his son Sambhaji on August 29, 1666 by concealing themselves in the big baskets of sweets, the interesting story of which is too well-known to need repetition here. To the great delight of his mother, Shivaji reached Raigarh safe and sound in the garb of a sadhu while his son was left at Allahabad in the charge of a trustworthy Brahmin, and was breught to Maharashtra some time afterwards.
Encyclopaedia Britannica [40]
Undaunted, Shivaji feigned illness and, as a form of penance, began to send out enormous baskets filled with sweets to be distributed among the poor. On August 17, 1666, he and his son had themselves carried past their guards in these baskets. His escape, possibly the most thrilling episode in a life filled with high drama, was to change the course of Indian history. His followers welcomed him back as their leader, and within two years he not only had won back all the lost territory but had expanded his domain. He collected tribute from Mughal regions and plundered their rich cities; he reorganized the army and instituted reforms for the welfare of his subjects. Taking a lesson from the Portuguese and English traders who had already gained toeholds in India, he began the building of a naval force; he was the first Indian ruler of his time to use his sea power for trade as well as for defense.
Gopa Sabharwal, Penguin Books, P-235 [41]
Feigning illness for several weeks he plans his escape ( August 17 ) and arrives in Mathura , from where he proceeds to Raigarh , dressed as a wandering Hindu monk . He and Shambhaji arrive in Raigarh.....
Ramesh Chandra Majumdar, Pran Nath Chopra - P-151 [42]
The crafty Aurangzeb had his enemy within his grasp and would not let him go . Shivaji then thought of a cunning artifice to effect his escape . He feigned illness , and sent sweetmeats to Brahmans , mendicants and nobles in huge...
H. G. Rawlinson
By a clever ruse, however, Shivaji managed at last to escape from his implacable foe: feigning sickness, he and his son were carried outside the town in one of the long wicker baskets, heaped with flowers and sweetmeats, in which it was the custom to despatch charitable gifts to the crowds thronging the courtyards of the mosques and temples. Once outside the town...
V. D. Mahajan [43]
To find out an excuse to escape from Agra. He pretended to be ill and started sending baskets of sweets for distribution among the Brahmins and the poor. These baskets were watched for some time by the guards but later on, the watch was relaxed. Shivaji took advantage of this and escaped along with his son in these baskets. He managed to reach Maharashtra by following a circuitous route. There was great rejoicing among the Marathas. It was a national deliverance, as providential, as it was roman tic. Aurangzeb suspected Jai Singh and recalled him. The latter died on his way in July, 1667. However, Shivaji did not give up hope. He made up his mind
D. R. SarDesai, Routledge [44]
Shivaji began sending daily presents of baskets laden with sweets and carried by his personalguard to different Mughal dignitaries, including the security force. Both the father andthe son escaped one day hiding in two such baskets; adopting various guises, theyreturned to their homeland in a matter of twenty-five days, on September 12, 1666.
Apart from all these scholars G.S. Sardesai, Doris Marion Kling, Setumadhavrao Pagadi and R. C. Dutta too has stated that Shivaji feigned illnes and escaped in these baskets.
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User:Vanamonde93 Truschke's book has been called semi-pop work by some editors, so I have replaced it with high quality source (Cambridge). And the sentence was making an impression (the 'was able to kill' part) that Shivaji was there to kill his wives and sons too, which is not correct. You may have found the last sentence flowery(sourced from a Cambridge scholar) but I was going to add more about Powadas based on the event. Anyway, I have removed it. You will find most of the sources calling it a daring act and it was sheer luck of Khan that he was not killed but escaped with the loss of his forefingers - See page 24 of [45] Akshaypatill ( talk) 04:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
The very first line - Shivaji Bhonsale I (Marathi pronunciation: [ʃiʋaˑd͡ʒiˑ bʱoˑs(ə)leˑ]; c.19 February 1630 – 3 April 1680[5]), also referred to as Chhatrapati Shivaji, was an Indian ruler - He was a King, King is the right word and justifies him. Please edit it. 1.186.197.142 ( talk) 10:59, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
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Please change name to chhatrapati shivaji maharaj. 49.206.6.29 ( talk) 16:20, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
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Bhosle Not a bhonsle 2409:4042:2218:304A:C071:B29C:2097:8A30 ( talk) 11:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Keep "Shivaji". Actually his name was "Shiva" named after Goddess Shivai. "Ji" is already a honorific to him. Calling Pitaji and Mataji (Father and Mother) is not disrespecting them. Calling Gandhiji is not disrespecting Mahatma Gandhi. Vatsmaxed ( talk) 09:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia Team and Users of Wikipedia, First, I declare that I do not have any intentions to hurt sentiments to any community, I would like you to understand the point, in order to enable you to take actions to change your article so that your articles will become truely unbiased, more sensible, more adhered to the Same common rule, more logically accurate, and will show the same amount of respects towards all these great personalities, irrespective of the name of thes personalities people generally use. I will put my point with the help of facts and Logic and also would like to have an answer reciprocated the same way. I would like to draw your kind attention to the details behind which I couldn't understand the reason and/or Logic. There are some personalities about whome people have high regards, and wikipedia serves as the source of information of almost all of them for people wanting to know about them. So, I also sense that, its Wikipedia's responsibility to display the information for all these Personalities, with same logic/rule/reason. and if it is not being done, then as a User of Wikipedia, its our responsibility to show Wikipedia the mistakes, by having discussion with all you people. Having said all of these, considering the logic/rule/reason that applies to the title (Name) of the article of many of these powerful and influential historical personalities, I would like to request you to rectify the Title of article called "Shivaji", by replacing it with "Chhatrapati Shivaji" ,as well as replacing all "Shivaji" by "Chhatrapati Shivaji" wherever it is mentioned, in the whole article, the links etc. as it is not as per your Rule/Logic/Reason set to mention the names of these Personalities. There are many example of the titles of the wikipedia Articles that I can share with you to prove my point, but I will share 2 here. 1. the article titled "Maharana Pratap" - In the whole article, "Maharana Pratap" was mentioned respectfully as "Maharana Pratap" and as per the information stated in the article, "Maharana Pratap" was honored as "Maharana" when he was coronated and announced as a King of Mewad region. So, "Maharana" was an honorary term, respectfully used for him, and I think, nothing is wrong in usinh it. Similarly "Chhatrapati Shivaji" was coronated as a "Chhatrapati" in 1674, and here "Chhatrapati" was also an honorary term for him, still, all over in his article, he was referred as "Shivaji" and not "Chhatrapati Shivaji", and this is clearly a contradictory. 2. the article titled "Mahatma Gandhi" - "Mahatma" here in this article, hold same importance as an honorary term for "Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi" and "Mahatma Gandhi" is respectfully used all over in this article.
so according to these example and the articles, The article "Shivaji" must be published with the corrections stated above, to rectify this descripency.
I would like to here your opinions about this. 150.107.180.113 ( talk) 03:33, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Please change the name from shivaji to Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj.Because he is people's king and thats why he is chatrapati. 202.134.168.224 ( talk) 16:07, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
RegentsPark) - Pope is a title and there are pages referring to the respective Pope with a title before their first name. A similar rationale in this case can be applied to have the name Chhatrapati Shivaji as the page title. Amitized ( talk) 07:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
User:202.134.168.224, RegentsPark and Amitized, Keep "Shivaji". Actually his name was "Shiva" named after Goddess Shivai. "Ji" is already a honorific to him. Many rulers-related articles are simply-named such as Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, Napoleon etc. Even Hindu gods have simply-named articles, see Rama, Krishna, Parvati, Shiva etc. Pope is a "religious" title though, can not be compared with "royal" case here, see Swami Vivekananda, Guru Nanak etc.
Having said this I will strongly bat for uniformity across all rulers-related articles and religious figures-related articles. For eg, Queen Victoria should be changed to simply Victoria and Tukaram should be changed to Sant Tukaram as in Saint Peter, Pope Francis. Vatsmaxed ( talk) 09:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
It's not Shivaji it's *chatrapati shivaji maharaj* 117.229.175.175 ( talk) 11:38, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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Idiots , james laine was criticised for his non sense jokes and not his scholarship , are you people afraid of truth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.133.232.86 ( talk) 18:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
if any one of you dare to speak of history then edit this para In 2003, American academic James W. Laine published his book Shivaji: Hindu King in Islamic India, which was followed by heavy criticism, including threats of arrest.[197] As a result of this publication, the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute in Pune where Laine had researched was attacked by a group of Maratha activists calling itself the Sambhaji Brigade.[198][199] The book was banned in Maharashtra in January 2004, but the ban was lifted by the Bombay High Court in 2007, and in July 2010 the Supreme Court of India upheld the lifting of the ban.[200] This lifting was followed by public demonstrations against the author and the decision of the Supreme Court.[201][202] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.133.232.86 ( talk) 18:05, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
"Shivaji is upheld as an example by the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party, and also of the Maratha caste dominated Congress parties in Maharashtra, such as the Indira Congress and the Nationalist Congress Party." Nenetarun ( talk) 04:23, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
"In modern times, Shivaji is considered as a national hero in India, especially in the state of Maharashtra, where he remains arguably the greatest figure in the state's history. Stories of his life form an integral part of the upbringing and identity of the Marathi people. Further, he is also recognised as a warrior legend, who sowed the seeds of Indian independence."
Above line can be replaced with a one-liner: "In modern times, Shivaji is considered as a national hero in the state of Maharashtra." Nenetarun ( talk) 07:31, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Why this political info or misinformation on this article in legecy section ? Most of these parties use The Great Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj's name for gain vote and for political mileage, I suggest to remove that propoganda info immediately from this biography article. This info can be written on Shiv Sena, BJP and NCP's article but it's not appropriate to include here. Or make a seperate article and describe, how when a political party used Shivaji I name for their gain. Success think ( talk) 11:07, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
@ Akshaypatill:, I think all the active editors like you must have to discuss it here to reach on a WP: Consensus without revert edit back and forth will happen and I don't want that. My openion is we all have to make a seperate article for, 'Shivaji Maharaj influence or so called "inspiration". And move all this political info in it. Add a see also or more info link about it. Success think ( talk) 14:40, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
@ Akshaypatill:, I think @ Nenetarun: also addressing same problem, which you reverted. As a experienced editor, I want you to edit out it yourself and we will join you. I want exercise editors @ Bonadea:, @ David notMD:'s take on it. This info in un-encyclopedic and just portraying Shivaji Maharaj's name in politicall spectrum. Success think ( talk) 14:50, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi, @ David notMD: Thank for responding, but you can edit political influence section in this article. Success think ( talk) 04:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Success think has been blocked as a sockpupoet. -- bonadea contributions talk 13:49, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
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Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj is also known as the father of the Indian Navy. Sreekutty.wiki ( talk) 05:48, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj was the great Man In indian history, they respect all the religions and respect women's as mothers, Shivaji Maharaj had the taken more knowledge of Mahabharata and Ramayana becouse of Jija mata, jija mata teached to shivaji maharaj in the way of stories.
Chhatrapati Shivaji maharaj was great warrior and great Leader too in indian history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johndate ( talk • contribs) 03:51, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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It is request to change the Wikipedia page named Shivaji to Chattrapati Shivaji Maharaj honouring him for his duty in nation building. 103.203.231.251 ( talk) 06:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
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Change ‘All these metals and articles along with a lakh of hun were distributed among the Brahmins. But even this failed to satisfy the greed of the Brahmins. Two of the learned Brahmins pointed out that Shivaji, while conducting his raids, had burnt cities involving the death of Brahmins, cows, women and children and he could be cleansed of this sin for a price of Rs. 8,000, and Shivaji paid this amount.’ To ‘All these metals and articles along with a lakh of hun were donated and distributed amongst the Brahmins. But still two Brahmins (seemed corrupt one) objected that Shivaji, during his raids mistakenly had burnt places involving the death of Brahmins, cows, women and children and to cleanse his sins he has to distribute more money and the price of Rs. 8,000 was decided and Shivaji had to pay even this amount. Not to forget Shivaji was fighting for Swaraj and such objections weren’t necessary.’ Sid99ss ( talk) 21:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
छत्रपती शिवाजी महाराज 2402:3A80:1EBD:619D:0:16:FE9F:A201 ( talk) 15:18, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
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Please rename the page from Shivaji to atleast Shivaji Bhonsle 103.203.231.251 ( talk) 13:37, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
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14:15, 30 June 2022 (UTC)I propose this image to be used in infobox instead of the existing one as it is regarded as the most authentic portrait of Shivaji. This painting was drawn by the Dutch painter Von Valentyn in 1654 and published by popular historian Vasudeo Sitaram Bendrey in 1930. The existing image can't be considered reliable enough as its author is unknown and it was most likely drawn after Shivaji's death. KmpVmp ( talk) 09:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
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Change the title of the page from "Shivaji" to "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj". 2409:4042:2D8A:DC8:5DB:C167:FF60:B761 ( talk) 01:28, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
The Kshatriya Kulavantas article is only three sentences long. It was created in 2013; if it was ever going to be expanded, it would have been by now. The information it contains is outweighed by the hidden notes and warnings advising editors not to add unsourced caste material, or panegyrics to Shivaji.
Would it be suitable to merge its content here? As I understand it, the title's main notability is its use by Shivaji. I think the article's small amount of material could easily be accommodated here. What do editors here think? AukusRuckus ( talk) 13:16, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
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" Please change singular name Shivaji to 'Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj'. Singular name hurts our emotions" 117.99.247.127 ( talk) 04:32, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Said Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj 2405:204:9796:34F4:0:0:12C0:20A0 ( talk) 14:12, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
the writer of the following para is a fool , a joker and liar , james laine was criticised for citing a non sense joke as historical proof . why u are not mentioning it , any rationale ?
In 2003, American academic James W. Laine published his book Shivaji: Hindu King in Islamic India to, what Ananya Vajpeyi terms, a regime of "cultural policing by militant Marathas".[204][205] As a result of this publication, the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute in Pune where Laine had researched was attacked by the Sambhaji Brigade.[206][207] Laine was even threatened to be arrested[204] and the book was banned in Maharashtra in January 2004, but the ban was lifted by the Bombay High Court in 2007, and in July 2010 the Supreme Court of India upheld the lifting of the ban.[208] This lifting was followed by public demonstrations against the author and the decision of the Supreme Court.[209][210] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.30.178.212 ( talk) 15:23, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
It is not shivaji chowk it's chhatrapati shivaji maharaj chowk 2405:204:5705:BB27:2144:86DE:DC4A:BE49 ( talk) 08:33, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
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Your written shivaji bhonsale it wrong surname of shivaji maharaj
Chatrapati shivaji bhosale this is correct one so please kindly allow me to edit 2405:204:5783:1313:22D1:46FD:B964:7354 ( talk) 06:24, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
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Please change the name from shivaji to chattrapti shivaji maharaj 115.96.219.48 ( talk) 14:42, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
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Title : Shivaji to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj 45.119.57.39 ( talk) 19:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
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20:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)Dear Team,
Shree Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Was A Great Legend Warrior, in fact he is the adored deity of the whole of India. And you are a great source of information And it is not right for us to mention "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj" in a single word like "Shivaji", from one point of view it is a great insult to the deity of Whole India! So change the Name Shivaji and put There "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj". In some regions of India we devotees worship him as a God. Kindly do the needful to make needful changes Gaurav Desale Maharashtra ( talk) 10:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Gaurav Desale Maharashtra:, Read Honorific|, you'll understand why it is written like this. Rock Stone Gold Castle ( talk) 09:40, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
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Since when has there been a policy to remove content because the source is considered too old? Since when did the age of the source became a question about its reliability factor? Akshaypatill - Your reasoning for removing content due to the age of the source is baseless. There is another source included which is of 2016 and yet you still removed the content. MehmoodS ( talk) 13:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
User:Fowler&fowler You have removed a image from the article with vague explanation. Can you cite a source that says it is misleading illustration. Your explanation seems like original research to me. Akshaypatill ( talk) 04:06, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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Change the title shivaji to Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj NihalChavan2002 ( talk) 14:07, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj NihalChavan2002 ( talk) 14:08, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
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14:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)User:Vanamonde93 The content you removed from my edit is in the book on page number 121. I have updated the page number - It says - It would be inconsistent with the facts of history to say that Shivaji invaded Bardes to avenge the policy of religious persecution of the Hindus by the Portuguese. There is no reference to this either in the Treaty or in the records. There was no premediated plan to kill the three Priests. The Priests and a few Christians must have been killed in the course of action. Shivaji had adopted a policy of religious toleration and he would not interfere with any state on religious grounds. Akshaypatill ( talk) 18:13, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
"though there was no premeditated plan to kill them and they must have been killed in the course of action". Please explain how that is supported by the page you linked; as far as I can see, all it says is that three priests and a few Christians were killed in what Shivaji considered a punitive expedition. Vanamonde ( Talk) 18:25, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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Naming of Shivaji is the insult of Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj so people taking about shivaji by taking only his initials this is wrong because they Crated So much to the India and World and given Big ideal Personality,I know You will Accept My Request. Shambhusohan ( talk) 18:43, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Newly found birth years of Shivaji maharaj is 1627. Pl refer Sardar Mujumdar's Hastlikhit note in Modi lipi,as per published in Pudhari Paper dated 19th Nov 2021. 2409:4042:4E00:1257:0:0:C24B:5815 ( talk) 17:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
सरदार मुजूरमदार यांचे मोडी लिपीतील हस्तलिखित प्रमाणे महाराजांचा जन्म शके १५४९ ईसवी सन १६२७ असा आहे. 2409:4042:4E00:1257:0:0:C24B:5815 ( talk) 17:51, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Please provide source. Also this is English Wikipedia so it would be better if you could communicate through English. Akshaypatill ( talk) 18:41, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
I am moving the section after the military as it disrupts the flow of the article. Also, it isn't really about Shivaji but the Maratha empire and we have a separate page for the Maratha empire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akshaypatill ( talk • contribs) 17:04, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Those idiots write here james laine was academician , they dont know this so called great scholar citing his colleagues's joke as a historical truth , is it worth of a historical facts? is he scholar ? Dare to speak truth if you say you are a scholar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.133.232.89 ( talk) 00:33, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
User:Diannaa Will this be okay?
As per Sardar Mujumdar Hastlikhit, Shivaji Maharaj Birthyear derived as 1627. 2409:4042:4CC6:A402:0:0:C20B:1206 ( talk) 15:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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Shivaji Bhonsale I, also referred to as Chhatrapati Shivaji, was an Indian ruler and a member of the Bhonsle Maratha clan. Shivaji carved out an enclave from the declining Adilshahi sultanate of Bijapur that formed the genesis of the Maratha Empire. 2401:4900:5190:1716:4419:EB18:7073:4BD6 ( talk) 15:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Please correct the name as Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj 106.210.188.242 ( talk) 19:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
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Please change the title from Shivaji to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj where ever needed. Thank You. 202.177.235.249 ( talk) 16:22, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
under "Early life" => "Background and context" "... In 1936, Shahaji joined in the service of Bijapur and obtained Poona as a grant. ..." "1936" cannot be correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djamak ( talk • contribs) 16:42, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Akshaypatill is deleting all negative things done by Shivaji. Wattissingh ( talk) 15:54, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Can you please point out your objections? I am sure I have given proper source to every edit I have made. Looking for objections from other editors too. Akshaypatill ( talk) 18:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Akshaypatill ( talk) 05:24, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
More likely, he [Shivaji] simply bribed the guards.TrangaBellam ( talk) 11:36, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
I managed to complete reading Mehendale and am strongly against using him as a source except for the most uncontroversial aspects.
Obvious Hindutva apologist at work-with descriptions about how Muslim men regularly persecuted Hindu women-,the book is a glorified collation of primary sources on Shivaji. To borrow from Munis D. Faruqui, the work reads like the British imperial gazetteers of yore: heavy on detail, low on arguments.
Compare this section on Shivaji's caste-change and coronation with how mundanely Mehendale covers the issue. Sheds necessary light on the work. TrangaBellam ( talk) 15:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
User:Vanamonde93 Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj is how he is commonly referred to. What should be explained if it is common name? It is common name is an explanation in itself. See Alexander the Great, Tipu Sultan, Ranjit Singh, Akbar, Rana Sanga, Hemu, Maharana Pratap. All these pages have there common or popular name. (The degree to which this name is brought on the talk page is evident to how common the name is.(Joke))
I have provided source that explicitly says it is his common name. Rowman & Littlefield is highly reputed publication [23] and the authors and editors are scholars. And the book is not about contemporary Mumbai. Akshaypatill ( talk) 03:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
We had discussed it earlier, but I wasn't aware that other pages have allowded to have common names. I can cite more sources for this. Akshaypatill ( talk) 05:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
John F. Richards did not specify anything about who was the first mover. We have Gordon explicitly stating that the precise chain of events that transpired in the camp won't ever be known to historical certainty.
I am acquainted with Sucheta Mahajan's scholarship but it is news to me that her father was a historian! Anyways, the broad-brush survey is hardly famed and quite old. TrangaBellam ( talk) 07:15, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
TrangaBellam ( talk) 07:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)But the upstart chieftain treacherously killed Afzal Khan during a negotiating session between the two men [..] Shivaji’s power and audacity had reached new heights.
This episode has become a matter of controversy among historians for a long time. Jadunath Sarkar, however, after weighing all recorded evidence in this behalf, has settled the point "that Afzal Khan struck the first blow" and that "Shivaji committed.... a preventive murder. It was a case of diamond cut diamond."E The conflict between Shivaji and Bijapur was essentially political in nature, and not communal.
Akshaypatill ( talk) 10:19, 19 December 2021 (UTC)There has been controversy as to who struck the first blow. It has been finally decided that Afzal Khan was the aggressor. Modern researchers have shown that Shivaji did everything in self-defence. Instead of allowing himself to be killed, he killed him instead.
Akshaypatill ( talk) 10:19, 19 December 2021 (UTC)...a mortal struggle in which Afzal khan tried to strangle Shivaji.
Akshaypatill ( talk) 10:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)As he walked in, the Khan rose and, in his first em-brace, gripped him tightly in his left arm and stabbed him with a dagger in the right hand. With great presence of mind, Shivaji saved the blow, ripping open the Khan's bowels with the tiger
Akshaypatill ( talk) 11:16, 19 December 2021 (UTC)Afzal calling Shivaji a “peasantboy”.......He feigns to embrace Shivaji, but quickly moves to stab him with a concealed knife. The knife grates against the chain mail, and Shivaji reacts in an instant, deals the huge khan a mortal blow with his sword, rips out his guts and slices off his head.
. A.R. Kulakarni (from here [30]]) also agrees. While others who say that Shivaji made the treachery has not provided any proof for treachery on part of Shivaji. Gordon has clearly stated that,Shivaji and His Times, was widely regarded as the authoritative follow-up to Grant Duff. An erudite, painstaking Rankean scholar, Sarkar was also able to access a wide variety of sources through his mastery of Persian, Marathi, and Arabic..
All this being said, I ain't proposing that we remove entirely remove everything, but we will incorporate both views. I am of the opinion that because it is based on the records and evidence, it deserves to be in the main body and not just in a footnote. Akshaypatill ( talk) 13:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)Certainly, Shivaji had every reason to be suspicious. In a parallel situation, a decade earlier, Afzal Khan had used just such a truce ceremony to imprison a Hindu general.
I am going to rewrite the 'Arrest in Agra and the escape section The section is wholly based on a single source from Gordon and there are quite a lot of sources and scholars who disagree with Gordon. Actually, dozens of scholars as I have listed below.
Gordon says that there is no proof for the 'Feigned illness by Shivaji'. But Jadunath Sarkar has presented a graphic account of Shivajï's visit to Aurangzeb at Agra and his escape from there. He has put forward a large volume of evidence from Rajasthani letters and Persian Akhbars (I have attached all the sources below.) A recent book by G. B. Mehendale too has provided some proofs. A. R. Kulkarni too iterates the same in his book. (In case anyone isn't familiar with these books, both these books are listed on Oxford Bibliographies Online as reference books for Maratha rule along with Gordon's book. [31]) Also Gordon, has used the word 'probably' to describe the bribing, which is a downright assumption and there are no proofs to back the statement. Eaton too has used the word probably.
I am citing a bunch of scholars who disagree with Gordon. -
Nonica Datta [32]
Undaunted, Shivaji feigned illness and, as a form of penance, began to send outenormous baskets filled with sweets to be distributed among the poor. On August 17, 1666, he and his son had themselves carried past their guards in these baskets. His escape, possibly the most thrilling episode in a life filled with high drama was to change the course of Indian history.
Prof. A. R. Kulkarni [33]
Jadunath Sarkar probed more deeply into this fascinating and romantic episode of Maratha History and put forth a large volume of evidence from Rajasthani letters and Persian Akhbars. With the help of this new material, he presented a graphic account of Shivajï's visit to Aurangzeb at Agra and his escape from there.... On 17th August 1666, he put himself in one of the large covered baskets and his son Sambhaji in another, to be carried as sweets tied to a pole on the shoulders of hired coolies. It was thus that he reached the outskirts of Agra, where two horses were ready for the father and the son and thence he travelled to Mathura and reached Rajgad on 20 November
Rajmohan Gandhi, Penguin Books [34]
A year later he presented himself at the Mughal court in Agra.However, not having been received with sufficient dignity, hecomplained, found himself in detention, and escaped famously in abasket of sweets.
Hermann Kulke, Dietmar Rothermund - Routledge
But Shivaji escaped from Delhi hidden in a basket; back in Pune, he consolidated his hold on the countryside. ... Rajputs as Aurangzeb had told him to do, Akbar had fled south and had joined hands with Shivaji's son and heir, Sambhaji.
Abraham Eraly, Penguin Books [35]
His escape was set for 29th August. That evening Shivaji and Shambhuji concealed themselves in sweetmeat baskets, and were carriedpast unsuspecting guards and taken to a secluded spot. There the fugitives got out and quickly proceeded to a suburb of the city, where Shivaji mounted a horse that had been kept ready for him, and set offwith Shambhuji behind him. Meanwhile, at Shivaji's residence, his half-brother Hiraji, who resembled Shivaji, took Shivaji's place in his couch, wearing Shivaji's distinctive gold ring. "He was directed to throw a piece of fine muslin over his head, but to display the ring he wore upon hishand, and when anyone came in, to feign to be asleep," says Khafi Khan.
Sachi K. Patel, Routledge [36]
Whilst Aurangzebe was pondering his options, Shivaji, growing restless, was also evaluating his options and eventually devised a plot for his own escape. He firstly sent away his comrades and servants, to ensure their safety. A short time later he feigned illness and as a tribute for his betterment he sent out sweets every evening to brahmins. At first the guards checked the baskets regularly, but later allowed them to pass unchecked. Shivaji capitalised on this opportunity and along with his son slipped into two baskets that were safely sent out. The baskets were deposited outside the city, and from there Shivaji and his son proceeded to Mathurā in disguise. They continued to their home in the mountains of Maharashtra.
Claude Markovits, Anthem Press [37]
However, they tricked the royal guards and managed toescape in a basket of sweets which was to be sent as gift to theBrahmins Shivaji reached Maharashtra in September AD 1666.
Jadunath Sirkar, Raghubir Sihn [38]
Being thus freed from anxiety about his followers, Shivaji set about devising plans for his own escape. He feigned illness and began to send out of his house every evening sweetmeats for brahmans, religious mendicants and influential courtiers. The guards searched the baskets for some days and then allowed them to pass out un- challenged. This was the opportunity for which Shivaji had been waiting. In the afternoon of 19th August,9 he sent word to his guards
J. L. Mehta [39]
He, however, cutwitted the crafty monarch in securing his liberation. He feigned illness and cleverly escaped with his son Sambhaji on August 29, 1666 by concealing themselves in the big baskets of sweets, the interesting story of which is too well-known to need repetition here. To the great delight of his mother, Shivaji reached Raigarh safe and sound in the garb of a sadhu while his son was left at Allahabad in the charge of a trustworthy Brahmin, and was breught to Maharashtra some time afterwards.
Encyclopaedia Britannica [40]
Undaunted, Shivaji feigned illness and, as a form of penance, began to send out enormous baskets filled with sweets to be distributed among the poor. On August 17, 1666, he and his son had themselves carried past their guards in these baskets. His escape, possibly the most thrilling episode in a life filled with high drama, was to change the course of Indian history. His followers welcomed him back as their leader, and within two years he not only had won back all the lost territory but had expanded his domain. He collected tribute from Mughal regions and plundered their rich cities; he reorganized the army and instituted reforms for the welfare of his subjects. Taking a lesson from the Portuguese and English traders who had already gained toeholds in India, he began the building of a naval force; he was the first Indian ruler of his time to use his sea power for trade as well as for defense.
Gopa Sabharwal, Penguin Books, P-235 [41]
Feigning illness for several weeks he plans his escape ( August 17 ) and arrives in Mathura , from where he proceeds to Raigarh , dressed as a wandering Hindu monk . He and Shambhaji arrive in Raigarh.....
Ramesh Chandra Majumdar, Pran Nath Chopra - P-151 [42]
The crafty Aurangzeb had his enemy within his grasp and would not let him go . Shivaji then thought of a cunning artifice to effect his escape . He feigned illness , and sent sweetmeats to Brahmans , mendicants and nobles in huge...
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By a clever ruse, however, Shivaji managed at last to escape from his implacable foe: feigning sickness, he and his son were carried outside the town in one of the long wicker baskets, heaped with flowers and sweetmeats, in which it was the custom to despatch charitable gifts to the crowds thronging the courtyards of the mosques and temples. Once outside the town...
V. D. Mahajan [43]
To find out an excuse to escape from Agra. He pretended to be ill and started sending baskets of sweets for distribution among the Brahmins and the poor. These baskets were watched for some time by the guards but later on, the watch was relaxed. Shivaji took advantage of this and escaped along with his son in these baskets. He managed to reach Maharashtra by following a circuitous route. There was great rejoicing among the Marathas. It was a national deliverance, as providential, as it was roman tic. Aurangzeb suspected Jai Singh and recalled him. The latter died on his way in July, 1667. However, Shivaji did not give up hope. He made up his mind
D. R. SarDesai, Routledge [44]
Shivaji began sending daily presents of baskets laden with sweets and carried by his personalguard to different Mughal dignitaries, including the security force. Both the father andthe son escaped one day hiding in two such baskets; adopting various guises, theyreturned to their homeland in a matter of twenty-five days, on September 12, 1666.
Apart from all these scholars G.S. Sardesai, Doris Marion Kling, Setumadhavrao Pagadi and R. C. Dutta too has stated that Shivaji feigned illnes and escaped in these baskets.
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User:Vanamonde93 Truschke's book has been called semi-pop work by some editors, so I have replaced it with high quality source (Cambridge). And the sentence was making an impression (the 'was able to kill' part) that Shivaji was there to kill his wives and sons too, which is not correct. You may have found the last sentence flowery(sourced from a Cambridge scholar) but I was going to add more about Powadas based on the event. Anyway, I have removed it. You will find most of the sources calling it a daring act and it was sheer luck of Khan that he was not killed but escaped with the loss of his forefingers - See page 24 of [45] Akshaypatill ( talk) 04:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
The very first line - Shivaji Bhonsale I (Marathi pronunciation: [ʃiʋaˑd͡ʒiˑ bʱoˑs(ə)leˑ]; c.19 February 1630 – 3 April 1680[5]), also referred to as Chhatrapati Shivaji, was an Indian ruler - He was a King, King is the right word and justifies him. Please edit it. 1.186.197.142 ( talk) 10:59, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
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Please change name to chhatrapati shivaji maharaj. 49.206.6.29 ( talk) 16:20, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
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16:32, 4 January 2022 (UTC)Shivaji had 8 wife's 2409:4042:196:27FB:0:0:1285:18A5 ( talk) 14:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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Bhosle Not a bhonsle 2409:4042:2218:304A:C071:B29C:2097:8A30 ( talk) 11:54, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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27.96.89.73 ( talk) 01:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Keep "Shivaji". Actually his name was "Shiva" named after Goddess Shivai. "Ji" is already a honorific to him. Calling Pitaji and Mataji (Father and Mother) is not disrespecting them. Calling Gandhiji is not disrespecting Mahatma Gandhi. Vatsmaxed ( talk) 09:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia Team and Users of Wikipedia, First, I declare that I do not have any intentions to hurt sentiments to any community, I would like you to understand the point, in order to enable you to take actions to change your article so that your articles will become truely unbiased, more sensible, more adhered to the Same common rule, more logically accurate, and will show the same amount of respects towards all these great personalities, irrespective of the name of thes personalities people generally use. I will put my point with the help of facts and Logic and also would like to have an answer reciprocated the same way. I would like to draw your kind attention to the details behind which I couldn't understand the reason and/or Logic. There are some personalities about whome people have high regards, and wikipedia serves as the source of information of almost all of them for people wanting to know about them. So, I also sense that, its Wikipedia's responsibility to display the information for all these Personalities, with same logic/rule/reason. and if it is not being done, then as a User of Wikipedia, its our responsibility to show Wikipedia the mistakes, by having discussion with all you people. Having said all of these, considering the logic/rule/reason that applies to the title (Name) of the article of many of these powerful and influential historical personalities, I would like to request you to rectify the Title of article called "Shivaji", by replacing it with "Chhatrapati Shivaji" ,as well as replacing all "Shivaji" by "Chhatrapati Shivaji" wherever it is mentioned, in the whole article, the links etc. as it is not as per your Rule/Logic/Reason set to mention the names of these Personalities. There are many example of the titles of the wikipedia Articles that I can share with you to prove my point, but I will share 2 here. 1. the article titled "Maharana Pratap" - In the whole article, "Maharana Pratap" was mentioned respectfully as "Maharana Pratap" and as per the information stated in the article, "Maharana Pratap" was honored as "Maharana" when he was coronated and announced as a King of Mewad region. So, "Maharana" was an honorary term, respectfully used for him, and I think, nothing is wrong in usinh it. Similarly "Chhatrapati Shivaji" was coronated as a "Chhatrapati" in 1674, and here "Chhatrapati" was also an honorary term for him, still, all over in his article, he was referred as "Shivaji" and not "Chhatrapati Shivaji", and this is clearly a contradictory. 2. the article titled "Mahatma Gandhi" - "Mahatma" here in this article, hold same importance as an honorary term for "Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi" and "Mahatma Gandhi" is respectfully used all over in this article.
so according to these example and the articles, The article "Shivaji" must be published with the corrections stated above, to rectify this descripency.
I would like to here your opinions about this. 150.107.180.113 ( talk) 03:33, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Please change the name from shivaji to Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj.Because he is people's king and thats why he is chatrapati. 202.134.168.224 ( talk) 16:07, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
RegentsPark) - Pope is a title and there are pages referring to the respective Pope with a title before their first name. A similar rationale in this case can be applied to have the name Chhatrapati Shivaji as the page title. Amitized ( talk) 07:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
User:202.134.168.224, RegentsPark and Amitized, Keep "Shivaji". Actually his name was "Shiva" named after Goddess Shivai. "Ji" is already a honorific to him. Many rulers-related articles are simply-named such as Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, Napoleon etc. Even Hindu gods have simply-named articles, see Rama, Krishna, Parvati, Shiva etc. Pope is a "religious" title though, can not be compared with "royal" case here, see Swami Vivekananda, Guru Nanak etc.
Having said this I will strongly bat for uniformity across all rulers-related articles and religious figures-related articles. For eg, Queen Victoria should be changed to simply Victoria and Tukaram should be changed to Sant Tukaram as in Saint Peter, Pope Francis. Vatsmaxed ( talk) 09:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
It's not Shivaji it's *chatrapati shivaji maharaj* 117.229.175.175 ( talk) 11:38, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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Change name from Shivaji to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Raayba ( talk) 20:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Idiots , james laine was criticised for his non sense jokes and not his scholarship , are you people afraid of truth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.133.232.86 ( talk) 18:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
if any one of you dare to speak of history then edit this para In 2003, American academic James W. Laine published his book Shivaji: Hindu King in Islamic India, which was followed by heavy criticism, including threats of arrest.[197] As a result of this publication, the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute in Pune where Laine had researched was attacked by a group of Maratha activists calling itself the Sambhaji Brigade.[198][199] The book was banned in Maharashtra in January 2004, but the ban was lifted by the Bombay High Court in 2007, and in July 2010 the Supreme Court of India upheld the lifting of the ban.[200] This lifting was followed by public demonstrations against the author and the decision of the Supreme Court.[201][202] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.133.232.86 ( talk) 18:05, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
"Shivaji is upheld as an example by the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party, and also of the Maratha caste dominated Congress parties in Maharashtra, such as the Indira Congress and the Nationalist Congress Party." Nenetarun ( talk) 04:23, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
"In modern times, Shivaji is considered as a national hero in India, especially in the state of Maharashtra, where he remains arguably the greatest figure in the state's history. Stories of his life form an integral part of the upbringing and identity of the Marathi people. Further, he is also recognised as a warrior legend, who sowed the seeds of Indian independence."
Above line can be replaced with a one-liner: "In modern times, Shivaji is considered as a national hero in the state of Maharashtra." Nenetarun ( talk) 07:31, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Why this political info or misinformation on this article in legecy section ? Most of these parties use The Great Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj's name for gain vote and for political mileage, I suggest to remove that propoganda info immediately from this biography article. This info can be written on Shiv Sena, BJP and NCP's article but it's not appropriate to include here. Or make a seperate article and describe, how when a political party used Shivaji I name for their gain. Success think ( talk) 11:07, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
@ Akshaypatill:, I think all the active editors like you must have to discuss it here to reach on a WP: Consensus without revert edit back and forth will happen and I don't want that. My openion is we all have to make a seperate article for, 'Shivaji Maharaj influence or so called "inspiration". And move all this political info in it. Add a see also or more info link about it. Success think ( talk) 14:40, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
@ Akshaypatill:, I think @ Nenetarun: also addressing same problem, which you reverted. As a experienced editor, I want you to edit out it yourself and we will join you. I want exercise editors @ Bonadea:, @ David notMD:'s take on it. This info in un-encyclopedic and just portraying Shivaji Maharaj's name in politicall spectrum. Success think ( talk) 14:50, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi, @ David notMD: Thank for responding, but you can edit political influence section in this article. Success think ( talk) 04:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Success think has been blocked as a sockpupoet. -- bonadea contributions talk 13:49, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
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Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj is also known as the father of the Indian Navy. Sreekutty.wiki ( talk) 05:48, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj was the great Man In indian history, they respect all the religions and respect women's as mothers, Shivaji Maharaj had the taken more knowledge of Mahabharata and Ramayana becouse of Jija mata, jija mata teached to shivaji maharaj in the way of stories.
Chhatrapati Shivaji maharaj was great warrior and great Leader too in indian history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johndate ( talk • contribs) 03:51, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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It is request to change the Wikipedia page named Shivaji to Chattrapati Shivaji Maharaj honouring him for his duty in nation building. 103.203.231.251 ( talk) 06:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
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Change ‘All these metals and articles along with a lakh of hun were distributed among the Brahmins. But even this failed to satisfy the greed of the Brahmins. Two of the learned Brahmins pointed out that Shivaji, while conducting his raids, had burnt cities involving the death of Brahmins, cows, women and children and he could be cleansed of this sin for a price of Rs. 8,000, and Shivaji paid this amount.’ To ‘All these metals and articles along with a lakh of hun were donated and distributed amongst the Brahmins. But still two Brahmins (seemed corrupt one) objected that Shivaji, during his raids mistakenly had burnt places involving the death of Brahmins, cows, women and children and to cleanse his sins he has to distribute more money and the price of Rs. 8,000 was decided and Shivaji had to pay even this amount. Not to forget Shivaji was fighting for Swaraj and such objections weren’t necessary.’ Sid99ss ( talk) 21:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
छत्रपती शिवाजी महाराज 2402:3A80:1EBD:619D:0:16:FE9F:A201 ( talk) 15:18, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
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Please rename the page from Shivaji to atleast Shivaji Bhonsle 103.203.231.251 ( talk) 13:37, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
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14:15, 30 June 2022 (UTC)I propose this image to be used in infobox instead of the existing one as it is regarded as the most authentic portrait of Shivaji. This painting was drawn by the Dutch painter Von Valentyn in 1654 and published by popular historian Vasudeo Sitaram Bendrey in 1930. The existing image can't be considered reliable enough as its author is unknown and it was most likely drawn after Shivaji's death. KmpVmp ( talk) 09:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
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Change the title of the page from "Shivaji" to "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj". 2409:4042:2D8A:DC8:5DB:C167:FF60:B761 ( talk) 01:28, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
The Kshatriya Kulavantas article is only three sentences long. It was created in 2013; if it was ever going to be expanded, it would have been by now. The information it contains is outweighed by the hidden notes and warnings advising editors not to add unsourced caste material, or panegyrics to Shivaji.
Would it be suitable to merge its content here? As I understand it, the title's main notability is its use by Shivaji. I think the article's small amount of material could easily be accommodated here. What do editors here think? AukusRuckus ( talk) 13:16, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
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" Please change singular name Shivaji to 'Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj'. Singular name hurts our emotions" 117.99.247.127 ( talk) 04:32, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Said Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj 2405:204:9796:34F4:0:0:12C0:20A0 ( talk) 14:12, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
the writer of the following para is a fool , a joker and liar , james laine was criticised for citing a non sense joke as historical proof . why u are not mentioning it , any rationale ?
In 2003, American academic James W. Laine published his book Shivaji: Hindu King in Islamic India to, what Ananya Vajpeyi terms, a regime of "cultural policing by militant Marathas".[204][205] As a result of this publication, the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute in Pune where Laine had researched was attacked by the Sambhaji Brigade.[206][207] Laine was even threatened to be arrested[204] and the book was banned in Maharashtra in January 2004, but the ban was lifted by the Bombay High Court in 2007, and in July 2010 the Supreme Court of India upheld the lifting of the ban.[208] This lifting was followed by public demonstrations against the author and the decision of the Supreme Court.[209][210] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.30.178.212 ( talk) 15:23, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
It is not shivaji chowk it's chhatrapati shivaji maharaj chowk 2405:204:5705:BB27:2144:86DE:DC4A:BE49 ( talk) 08:33, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
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Your written shivaji bhonsale it wrong surname of shivaji maharaj
Chatrapati shivaji bhosale this is correct one so please kindly allow me to edit 2405:204:5783:1313:22D1:46FD:B964:7354 ( talk) 06:24, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
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Please change the name from shivaji to chattrapti shivaji maharaj 115.96.219.48 ( talk) 14:42, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
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Title : Shivaji to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj 45.119.57.39 ( talk) 19:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
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20:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)Dear Team,
Shree Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Was A Great Legend Warrior, in fact he is the adored deity of the whole of India. And you are a great source of information And it is not right for us to mention "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj" in a single word like "Shivaji", from one point of view it is a great insult to the deity of Whole India! So change the Name Shivaji and put There "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj". In some regions of India we devotees worship him as a God. Kindly do the needful to make needful changes Gaurav Desale Maharashtra ( talk) 10:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Gaurav Desale Maharashtra:, Read Honorific|, you'll understand why it is written like this. Rock Stone Gold Castle ( talk) 09:40, 19 November 2022 (UTC)