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The medical normal upper height for Norwegian girls at the age of 12 is 170 centimeters tall.
The average height of all Norwegians are 179,9 centimeters.
The average height of Norwegian men are 181 centimeters.
For those with a limited grasp of mathematics this means that only difference between the average height of all Norwegian Women and Men combined and the average height of Norwegian Men only is exactly ...1.1 centimeters.
The normal difference in wheight between a Norwegian woman and a Norwegian man is 15 kilos.
For those of you with zero exerience of streetfighting I can positively 100 % guarantee you that a height difference of 1.1 centimeters means absolutely positively NOTHING in hand-to-hand combat.
Being 15 kilos lighter than the oponent on the other hand, means that the lighter can move faster.
The average thickness of a human skull is only 7 millimeters.
It takes as little as 16 pounds (73 newtons) which equals only 7.25 kilograms of force to cause a simple fracture of your sculls without an axe.
For those of you who doubt that an average Norwegian woman can split your skull in a second with an axe:
Please: By all means:
I hereby invite you to Norway to end all debate:
I challenge you to find a single Norwegian girl above the age of 12 who cannot spilt your 7 millimeter thick sculls in a second with one strike with her axe.
Here is a scientfic experiment showing just how little it takes to split a scull. This little dude is 165 cm tall and 27 years old.
That is 5 centimeters smaller than our 12 year old daughters. So if this dude can do it, so can every Norwegian woman & child I have ever met.
https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0305440323000171-mmc2.mp4
But before you fly head over heals here to Norway to have your heads split by our daughters kindly answer this:
Norwegian Vikings usually killed their first victims as soon as the oppertunity presented itself.
To illustrate our temper it such suffice to mention that at the age of 5 Eigil Skallagrimson split the scull of his best friend because he lost a game of dice.
His biography states "..his father thought it was a tad harsh, but his MOTHER ment he would become a good Viking.." I, like any other decent, moral and upstanding person, would have done the exact same thing at that age, if it were not for the fact Norwegian parents tend to keep axes and other sharp objects hidden away from children.
King Olav on the other hand was so exceptionally kind and gentle so actually managed to control our inherited natural drive to KILL THEM ALL AND LET GOD SORT THEM OUT until he was 12 years old.
Such exeptional benevolence and overbearance was so rare that he was made a Saint and made Eternal King of Norway for that, bless his soul.
So here is my question I would like your answers to:
Consider that we used to kill friends, family-members, random strangers ang masse and rape Nuns by the dozens from we were between 5 - 12 years old and until we died:
Keeping in mind that the only occupation, hobby, passion and fun we knew was to kill.. ...everyone we could.
SO ANSWER THIS: What EXACTLY do you think we teached our daughters and especially if we had no sons?
Ballet? Broidery? Art History? OR Origami perhaps?
Or do you find it plausible that we naturally taught our daughters the positively, absolutely only thing we knew how to do:
Butching people by the hundreds ?
Keep in mind that our beautiful female slaves (which we of course stole from the Brittish Isle each year) naturally did all the housework in their brakes (between each time we raped our slave-girls)
THUS, considering there was no need to teach daughters housework or cooking, cleaning or anything at all other than the honourable Art of Massmurdering and that mundane, unbecoming slave-tasks such as cooking, cleaning, sowing etc was beneath their dignity anyway..
SO: Kindly answer. What EXACTLY do you think Viking Fathers and Viking Mothers in Viking Norway taught their sweet and adoring litle Pscycho-Killer Viking-Kids?
French Avant-Garde Cubist Art, maybe?
On behalf of the entiire population of the Kingdom of Norway thank ever so much up-front for your answers.. wE TRULY appreciate your input
...before our daughters split your skulls with joy and tears of laughter..
KINDLY ANSWER AND GIVE US YOUR LAST WORDS BENEATH; PLEASE:
THANX !!!
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.15.25.54 ( talk) 00:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
The shieldmaidens were not the inspiration for the valkyries, the valkyries co-existed in the norse mythology.--unsigned
Is there any reference for this?:
and they were J.R.R. Tolkien's inspiration for Éowyn.
As it is, Tolkien could have also been inspired by the medieval myths known as "virgo bellatrix", see for instance [1] and [2] 87.222.26.6 ( talk) 21:04, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Tolkien calls her a shieldmaiden in the book. "I will be a shieldmaiden no longer, nor vie with the great Riders, nor take joy only in the songs of slaying." (after she decides to marry Faramir) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.104.222 ( talk) 21:45, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
On the new TV show Vikings, one of the characters is a shieldmaiden, so perhaps this should be added under cultural refferences. 178.249.123.209 ( talk) 04:02, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
The woman on the show is a mother of two children. Her brother in law says she was a famous shieldmaiden, but she and her husband say that she still is. In contrast, the Spanish, French, and Italian entries for Shieldmaiden say they are virgins. The mother of two is not likely a virgin. Any references as to whether shieldmaidens were required/expected/generally virgins? 173.66.166.129 ( talk) 02:15, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
There is information in the lede wich is not in the article, and vice versa.
So, the lede is not really a summary of the article.
T
85.166.162.8 (
talk)
19:47, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. -- Dane talk 20:49, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Shieldmaiden → Shield-maiden – Wiktionary is the only source I can find for the spelling "shieldmaiden," while the top scholar on the subject, Jenny Jochens, spells it "shield-maiden" in Old Norse Images of Women (google books link: https://books.google.com/books?id=YyxcAAAAMAAJ&q=Shield-maiden&dq=Shield-maiden&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMpdit3JvVAhVs4IMKHQXODVg4HhDoAQgcMAA ) ~ T P W 13:34, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
The main article keeps saying there is "debate" as to the existence of women warriors but the only source for that seems to be a single person named Judith Jesch? And just that she said so? It lists a bunch of artifacts and physical evidence of these women warriors but seems to give disproportionate weight to some teacher who just says "Not enough evidence". Is there anything supporting the position that women were strictly not allowed? If not then I think the best you could say in terms of "debate" is how many there were, not if there were any that existed as this article implies. MLysippe ( talk) 22:35, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
I had the same thoughts as you, so I updated a small section, but I didn't read whole article... -- Pythagimedes ( talk) 21:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0305440323000171-mmc2.mp4
Hugs & Violence from the Kingdom of Norway.
46.15.25.54 (
talk)
00:52, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
I am not sure if English wikipedia is confused by Hollywood, but Shield-Maidens were not female warriors, they were Shield-Maidens! Ha ha. 120.29.109.137 ( talk) 03:52, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
I find the article a bit misleading and not reflecting the actual scholarship. It both exaggerates the positions of Jesch and Price, but also does not reflect the understanding of shieldmaidens as first and foremost a literary archetype. That is, Shieldmaidens occur in post Viking Age literature set during or before the Viking Age. The question, then, is what relation do these literary figures have to the historical facts of the Viking Age. Jesch, an expert in Runes and in Old Norse texts, believes that the word skjaldmær, originates after the Viking Age, and was inspired in part by the Amazons. She similarly believes that Saxo was inspired by Amazons when he wrote about women warriors (Saxo wrote in Latin, so probably didn’t call them shieldmaidens). She also believes that Valkyries inspired shieldmaidens and not the other way around. For example, in Saxo, Lagertha is described as flying. However, Valkyries were not originally described as warriors, although they were sometimes equipped like them. They are hostesses in Valhalla and as psychopomps, it is only after the people stopped believing in them that they became warriors (all the Sagas exist in forms written down by Christians, even if based on earlier works). As far as the lack of evidence Neil Price is also on record as saying there was no evidence (Naturally before he learned about Bj 581 being female).
It is also important to realize that Jesch is not just basing her interpretations on the lack of evidence. There is an association between the idea of Shieldmaiden and women being equal, or at least more free, in the Viking Age. This idea dates to the 19th century, and is based off the problematic textual sources, where the pagan women of an earlier time are depicted as behaving different from contemporary Christian women. Jesch believes that writers such as Saxo were being misogynistic in their depictions of women fighters, and points out that the Sagas that are considered more realistic and reliable tend to have more submissive women. Women also didn’t have the same legal rights as men, and there is no mention of women in Valhalla. Then again, not everything is known about the religion of the vikings.
Finally, there is a question of what being a warrior meant. It is thought that every free adult male owned a sword and would have been expected to help defend the homestead or the province. Some martial training was part of every free man’s upbringing. Does this make every man a warrior? On the other hand, women certainly used violence, sometimes even on the battlefield. The cultural norms are clearly that men fight and women spin. A women warrior would have gone against this norm. That said, the viking age covers a lot of time and a lot of people, it is mathematically probable that this norm was broken. There may however be no connection to actual warrior women in the viking age and the shieldmaiden of literature. As far as I know, no academic believes that it was physically impossible for women to fight, but also most academics believe that most combatants were men. Like 99.9% of warriors were probably men. Tinynanorobots ( talk) 10:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
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READ THIS:
The medical normal upper height for Norwegian girls at the age of 12 is 170 centimeters tall.
The average height of all Norwegians are 179,9 centimeters.
The average height of Norwegian men are 181 centimeters.
For those with a limited grasp of mathematics this means that only difference between the average height of all Norwegian Women and Men combined and the average height of Norwegian Men only is exactly ...1.1 centimeters.
The normal difference in wheight between a Norwegian woman and a Norwegian man is 15 kilos.
For those of you with zero exerience of streetfighting I can positively 100 % guarantee you that a height difference of 1.1 centimeters means absolutely positively NOTHING in hand-to-hand combat.
Being 15 kilos lighter than the oponent on the other hand, means that the lighter can move faster.
The average thickness of a human skull is only 7 millimeters.
It takes as little as 16 pounds (73 newtons) which equals only 7.25 kilograms of force to cause a simple fracture of your sculls without an axe.
For those of you who doubt that an average Norwegian woman can split your skull in a second with an axe:
Please: By all means:
I hereby invite you to Norway to end all debate:
I challenge you to find a single Norwegian girl above the age of 12 who cannot spilt your 7 millimeter thick sculls in a second with one strike with her axe.
Here is a scientfic experiment showing just how little it takes to split a scull. This little dude is 165 cm tall and 27 years old.
That is 5 centimeters smaller than our 12 year old daughters. So if this dude can do it, so can every Norwegian woman & child I have ever met.
https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0305440323000171-mmc2.mp4
But before you fly head over heals here to Norway to have your heads split by our daughters kindly answer this:
Norwegian Vikings usually killed their first victims as soon as the oppertunity presented itself.
To illustrate our temper it such suffice to mention that at the age of 5 Eigil Skallagrimson split the scull of his best friend because he lost a game of dice.
His biography states "..his father thought it was a tad harsh, but his MOTHER ment he would become a good Viking.." I, like any other decent, moral and upstanding person, would have done the exact same thing at that age, if it were not for the fact Norwegian parents tend to keep axes and other sharp objects hidden away from children.
King Olav on the other hand was so exceptionally kind and gentle so actually managed to control our inherited natural drive to KILL THEM ALL AND LET GOD SORT THEM OUT until he was 12 years old.
Such exeptional benevolence and overbearance was so rare that he was made a Saint and made Eternal King of Norway for that, bless his soul.
So here is my question I would like your answers to:
Consider that we used to kill friends, family-members, random strangers ang masse and rape Nuns by the dozens from we were between 5 - 12 years old and until we died:
Keeping in mind that the only occupation, hobby, passion and fun we knew was to kill.. ...everyone we could.
SO ANSWER THIS: What EXACTLY do you think we teached our daughters and especially if we had no sons?
Ballet? Broidery? Art History? OR Origami perhaps?
Or do you find it plausible that we naturally taught our daughters the positively, absolutely only thing we knew how to do:
Butching people by the hundreds ?
Keep in mind that our beautiful female slaves (which we of course stole from the Brittish Isle each year) naturally did all the housework in their brakes (between each time we raped our slave-girls)
THUS, considering there was no need to teach daughters housework or cooking, cleaning or anything at all other than the honourable Art of Massmurdering and that mundane, unbecoming slave-tasks such as cooking, cleaning, sowing etc was beneath their dignity anyway..
SO: Kindly answer. What EXACTLY do you think Viking Fathers and Viking Mothers in Viking Norway taught their sweet and adoring litle Pscycho-Killer Viking-Kids?
French Avant-Garde Cubist Art, maybe?
On behalf of the entiire population of the Kingdom of Norway thank ever so much up-front for your answers.. wE TRULY appreciate your input
...before our daughters split your skulls with joy and tears of laughter..
KINDLY ANSWER AND GIVE US YOUR LAST WORDS BENEATH; PLEASE:
THANX !!!
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.15.25.54 ( talk) 00:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
The shieldmaidens were not the inspiration for the valkyries, the valkyries co-existed in the norse mythology.--unsigned
Is there any reference for this?:
and they were J.R.R. Tolkien's inspiration for Éowyn.
As it is, Tolkien could have also been inspired by the medieval myths known as "virgo bellatrix", see for instance [1] and [2] 87.222.26.6 ( talk) 21:04, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Tolkien calls her a shieldmaiden in the book. "I will be a shieldmaiden no longer, nor vie with the great Riders, nor take joy only in the songs of slaying." (after she decides to marry Faramir) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.104.222 ( talk) 21:45, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
On the new TV show Vikings, one of the characters is a shieldmaiden, so perhaps this should be added under cultural refferences. 178.249.123.209 ( talk) 04:02, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
The woman on the show is a mother of two children. Her brother in law says she was a famous shieldmaiden, but she and her husband say that she still is. In contrast, the Spanish, French, and Italian entries for Shieldmaiden say they are virgins. The mother of two is not likely a virgin. Any references as to whether shieldmaidens were required/expected/generally virgins? 173.66.166.129 ( talk) 02:15, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
There is information in the lede wich is not in the article, and vice versa.
So, the lede is not really a summary of the article.
T
85.166.162.8 (
talk)
19:47, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. -- Dane talk 20:49, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Shieldmaiden → Shield-maiden – Wiktionary is the only source I can find for the spelling "shieldmaiden," while the top scholar on the subject, Jenny Jochens, spells it "shield-maiden" in Old Norse Images of Women (google books link: https://books.google.com/books?id=YyxcAAAAMAAJ&q=Shield-maiden&dq=Shield-maiden&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMpdit3JvVAhVs4IMKHQXODVg4HhDoAQgcMAA ) ~ T P W 13:34, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
The main article keeps saying there is "debate" as to the existence of women warriors but the only source for that seems to be a single person named Judith Jesch? And just that she said so? It lists a bunch of artifacts and physical evidence of these women warriors but seems to give disproportionate weight to some teacher who just says "Not enough evidence". Is there anything supporting the position that women were strictly not allowed? If not then I think the best you could say in terms of "debate" is how many there were, not if there were any that existed as this article implies. MLysippe ( talk) 22:35, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
I had the same thoughts as you, so I updated a small section, but I didn't read whole article... -- Pythagimedes ( talk) 21:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0305440323000171-mmc2.mp4
Hugs & Violence from the Kingdom of Norway.
46.15.25.54 (
talk)
00:52, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
I am not sure if English wikipedia is confused by Hollywood, but Shield-Maidens were not female warriors, they were Shield-Maidens! Ha ha. 120.29.109.137 ( talk) 03:52, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
I find the article a bit misleading and not reflecting the actual scholarship. It both exaggerates the positions of Jesch and Price, but also does not reflect the understanding of shieldmaidens as first and foremost a literary archetype. That is, Shieldmaidens occur in post Viking Age literature set during or before the Viking Age. The question, then, is what relation do these literary figures have to the historical facts of the Viking Age. Jesch, an expert in Runes and in Old Norse texts, believes that the word skjaldmær, originates after the Viking Age, and was inspired in part by the Amazons. She similarly believes that Saxo was inspired by Amazons when he wrote about women warriors (Saxo wrote in Latin, so probably didn’t call them shieldmaidens). She also believes that Valkyries inspired shieldmaidens and not the other way around. For example, in Saxo, Lagertha is described as flying. However, Valkyries were not originally described as warriors, although they were sometimes equipped like them. They are hostesses in Valhalla and as psychopomps, it is only after the people stopped believing in them that they became warriors (all the Sagas exist in forms written down by Christians, even if based on earlier works). As far as the lack of evidence Neil Price is also on record as saying there was no evidence (Naturally before he learned about Bj 581 being female).
It is also important to realize that Jesch is not just basing her interpretations on the lack of evidence. There is an association between the idea of Shieldmaiden and women being equal, or at least more free, in the Viking Age. This idea dates to the 19th century, and is based off the problematic textual sources, where the pagan women of an earlier time are depicted as behaving different from contemporary Christian women. Jesch believes that writers such as Saxo were being misogynistic in their depictions of women fighters, and points out that the Sagas that are considered more realistic and reliable tend to have more submissive women. Women also didn’t have the same legal rights as men, and there is no mention of women in Valhalla. Then again, not everything is known about the religion of the vikings.
Finally, there is a question of what being a warrior meant. It is thought that every free adult male owned a sword and would have been expected to help defend the homestead or the province. Some martial training was part of every free man’s upbringing. Does this make every man a warrior? On the other hand, women certainly used violence, sometimes even on the battlefield. The cultural norms are clearly that men fight and women spin. A women warrior would have gone against this norm. That said, the viking age covers a lot of time and a lot of people, it is mathematically probable that this norm was broken. There may however be no connection to actual warrior women in the viking age and the shieldmaiden of literature. As far as I know, no academic believes that it was physically impossible for women to fight, but also most academics believe that most combatants were men. Like 99.9% of warriors were probably men. Tinynanorobots ( talk) 10:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)