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In this section the article says "Ali did not accept the caliphate of Abu Bakr and refused to pledge allegiance to him." which conflicts with the statement in the introduction of the Ali article that says: "Ali pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr, after six months, but did not take part in the wars and political activity, except for the election of the third caliph Uthman."
The issue of Ali's allegiance is controversial and I have not been able to find a reliable answer that does not appear to be biased. I am not an expert on Islam and would not have the correct answer here. At a minimum, I think that each article should be clarified about the conflicting opinion's of his allegiance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ars13r ( talk • contribs) 00:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
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Given that the lead identifies Shi'a Islam as a whole as either Shi'a Islam or as Shi'ism, why is the misspelling "Shia Islam" used as the title? Praxeria ( talk) 03:34, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
The second sentence of this article ("It holds that ... at Saqifah") could be improved:
1. It is very long and could be broken up for clarity. Also some parts could be put in parenthesis, such as "most notably at the event of Ghadir Khumm" 2. It contains a grammatical error, which which changes the meaning of the sentence. Simplifying, it says: "Muhammad (... ...) was prevented from succeeding Muhammad "
The subject of the sentence changes from Muhammad at the beginning to Talib at the end.
Perhaps this problem (#2) can be resolved by replacing:
"but was prevented" with "and that Talib was prevented"
I am not knowledgeable enough on the subject to make this change myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Substar ( talk • contribs) 05:52, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with a variety of Shia Islam redirects and has thus listed them for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 11 § Leftovers of Views on Shia Islam until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Randi Moth ( talk) 20:39, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Bourienne wrote that: during Napoleon times that religion in "India he would have been for Ali".
Mogul Empire had not yet been abolished and that India, Pakistan and Bangladesh were the same polity.
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Let's not do standardized Arabic transliteration when the word concerned is not Arabic at all but English, such as "Shiite" or "Shiism". The spelling of the words "Shīʿīsm" and "Shīʿītes" currently contained in the lede is nonsensical. Wegesrand ( talk) 16:16, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
It's obviously more common in non-Arabic languages to avoid the transcription for Arabic names and terms, but the same is true for any non-Western language for that matter (Sanskrit, Pali, Tibetan, etc.). However, Romanization of non-Western languages is consistently used by historians, linguists, and academics for a good reason, as it serves the purpose to provide the correct transliteration and pronunciation of non-Western words in Western languages. The same purpose is true for Arabic, and yes, names such as al-Qaeda, Mecca, Muhammad etc. are consistently Romanized as well by academics and scholars of Islamic studies.
In comparison to the Anglicized and Romanized Arabic words Shīʿīsm, Shīʿītes, and Shīʿa Islam see for example Māturīdism (an Anglicized term for an Arabic word Romanized in English by Western scholars of Islamic studies), its adherents known as Māturīdites, and Māturīdī theology [1] ( Arabic: الماتريدية: al-Māturīdiyyah), [1] one of the main Sunnī schools of Islamic theology, [1] founded by the Persian Muslim scholar, Ḥanafī jurist, reformer (mujaddid), and scholastic theologian Abū Manṣūr al-Māturīdī in the 9th–10th century. [1] [2] [3] [4] See also Ashʿarism (another Anglicized term for an Arabic word Romanized in English by Western scholars of Islamic studies), its adherents known as Ashʿarites, and Ashʿarī theology [5] ( /æʃəˈriː/; [6] Arabic: الأشعرية: al-ʾAshʿarīyah), [7] one of the main Sunnī schools of Islamic theology, founded by the Arab Muslim scholar, Shāfiʿī jurist, reformer (mujaddid), and scholastic theologian Abū al-Ḥasan al-Ashʿarī in the 9th–10th century, [5] [7] [8] for the same comparison. GenoV84 ( talk) 10:16, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
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The current article text contains:
"It holds that the Islamic prophet Muhammad designated ʿAlī ibn Abī Ṭālib as his successor (khalīfa) and the Imam (spiritual and political leader) after him, [1] [2] most notably at the event of Ghadir Khumm, [1] but was prevented from succeeding Muhammad as the leader of the Muslims as a result of the choice made by some of Muhammad's other companions (ṣaḥāba) at Saqifah."
This text implies:
"It holds that the Islamic prophet Muhammad was prevented from succeeding Muhammad as the leader of the Muslims."
since in this context with ellipsis the finite verb "was" attracts "the Islamic prophet Muhammad" as the subject.
The resulting assertion seems illogical to me. Please supply a logical version. Since I am not knowledgeable with respect to this part of history, I urge anyone who is to improve the text. Redav ( talk) 16:24, 14 July 2023 (UTC) Redav ( talk) 16:24, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
References
For Shiʿi Muslims, Muhammad not only designated ʿAlī as his friend, but appointed him as his successor—as the "lord" or "master" of the new Muslim community. ʿAlī and his descendants would become known as the Imams, divinely guided leaders of the Shiʿi communities, sinless, and granted special insight into the Qurʾanic text. The theology of the Imams that developed over the next several centuries made little distinction between the authority of the Imams to politically lead the Muslim community and their spiritual prowess; quite to the contrary, their right to political leadership was grounded in their special spiritual insight. While in theory, the only just ruler of the Muslim community was the Imam, the Imams were politically marginal after the first generation. In practice, Shiʿi Muslims negotiated varied approaches to both interpretative authority over Islamic texts and governance of the community, both during the lifetimes of the Imams themselves and even more so following the disappearance of the twelfth and final Imam in the ninth century.
Can Wikipedia remove picture of Ghazan and replace it with an actual image that has significance for this article.
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Can we remove the picture of Ghazan from this article because it has nothing to do with the "Mahdi"!
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2601:CB:8200:9EC0:4DB1:D8A4:9F80:8483 ( talk) 18:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC) Hello, I'd like to make a request to edit the stats of Shia Muslim population, as it is %15-%20. I also would like to mention that the Shahadah stated is not required, but a reaffirmation that is optional to say and profess that you are Shia't Ali.
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In this section the article says "Ali did not accept the caliphate of Abu Bakr and refused to pledge allegiance to him." which conflicts with the statement in the introduction of the Ali article that says: "Ali pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr, after six months, but did not take part in the wars and political activity, except for the election of the third caliph Uthman."
The issue of Ali's allegiance is controversial and I have not been able to find a reliable answer that does not appear to be biased. I am not an expert on Islam and would not have the correct answer here. At a minimum, I think that each article should be clarified about the conflicting opinion's of his allegiance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ars13r ( talk • contribs) 00:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
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Given that the lead identifies Shi'a Islam as a whole as either Shi'a Islam or as Shi'ism, why is the misspelling "Shia Islam" used as the title? Praxeria ( talk) 03:34, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
The second sentence of this article ("It holds that ... at Saqifah") could be improved:
1. It is very long and could be broken up for clarity. Also some parts could be put in parenthesis, such as "most notably at the event of Ghadir Khumm" 2. It contains a grammatical error, which which changes the meaning of the sentence. Simplifying, it says: "Muhammad (... ...) was prevented from succeeding Muhammad "
The subject of the sentence changes from Muhammad at the beginning to Talib at the end.
Perhaps this problem (#2) can be resolved by replacing:
"but was prevented" with "and that Talib was prevented"
I am not knowledgeable enough on the subject to make this change myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Substar ( talk • contribs) 05:52, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with a variety of Shia Islam redirects and has thus listed them for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 11 § Leftovers of Views on Shia Islam until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Randi Moth ( talk) 20:39, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Bourienne wrote that: during Napoleon times that religion in "India he would have been for Ali".
Mogul Empire had not yet been abolished and that India, Pakistan and Bangladesh were the same polity.
11:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)11:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)11:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)11:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)11:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)~~////////////////////////11:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)11:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)11:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC) 43.242.178.92 ( talk) 43.242.178.92 ( talk) 11:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Sunni Islam which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 02:00, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Let's not do standardized Arabic transliteration when the word concerned is not Arabic at all but English, such as "Shiite" or "Shiism". The spelling of the words "Shīʿīsm" and "Shīʿītes" currently contained in the lede is nonsensical. Wegesrand ( talk) 16:16, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
It's obviously more common in non-Arabic languages to avoid the transcription for Arabic names and terms, but the same is true for any non-Western language for that matter (Sanskrit, Pali, Tibetan, etc.). However, Romanization of non-Western languages is consistently used by historians, linguists, and academics for a good reason, as it serves the purpose to provide the correct transliteration and pronunciation of non-Western words in Western languages. The same purpose is true for Arabic, and yes, names such as al-Qaeda, Mecca, Muhammad etc. are consistently Romanized as well by academics and scholars of Islamic studies.
In comparison to the Anglicized and Romanized Arabic words Shīʿīsm, Shīʿītes, and Shīʿa Islam see for example Māturīdism (an Anglicized term for an Arabic word Romanized in English by Western scholars of Islamic studies), its adherents known as Māturīdites, and Māturīdī theology [1] ( Arabic: الماتريدية: al-Māturīdiyyah), [1] one of the main Sunnī schools of Islamic theology, [1] founded by the Persian Muslim scholar, Ḥanafī jurist, reformer (mujaddid), and scholastic theologian Abū Manṣūr al-Māturīdī in the 9th–10th century. [1] [2] [3] [4] See also Ashʿarism (another Anglicized term for an Arabic word Romanized in English by Western scholars of Islamic studies), its adherents known as Ashʿarites, and Ashʿarī theology [5] ( /æʃəˈriː/; [6] Arabic: الأشعرية: al-ʾAshʿarīyah), [7] one of the main Sunnī schools of Islamic theology, founded by the Arab Muslim scholar, Shāfiʿī jurist, reformer (mujaddid), and scholastic theologian Abū al-Ḥasan al-Ashʿarī in the 9th–10th century, [5] [7] [8] for the same comparison. GenoV84 ( talk) 10:16, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Sunni Islam which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 03:15, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
The current article text contains:
"It holds that the Islamic prophet Muhammad designated ʿAlī ibn Abī Ṭālib as his successor (khalīfa) and the Imam (spiritual and political leader) after him, [1] [2] most notably at the event of Ghadir Khumm, [1] but was prevented from succeeding Muhammad as the leader of the Muslims as a result of the choice made by some of Muhammad's other companions (ṣaḥāba) at Saqifah."
This text implies:
"It holds that the Islamic prophet Muhammad was prevented from succeeding Muhammad as the leader of the Muslims."
since in this context with ellipsis the finite verb "was" attracts "the Islamic prophet Muhammad" as the subject.
The resulting assertion seems illogical to me. Please supply a logical version. Since I am not knowledgeable with respect to this part of history, I urge anyone who is to improve the text. Redav ( talk) 16:24, 14 July 2023 (UTC) Redav ( talk) 16:24, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
References
For Shiʿi Muslims, Muhammad not only designated ʿAlī as his friend, but appointed him as his successor—as the "lord" or "master" of the new Muslim community. ʿAlī and his descendants would become known as the Imams, divinely guided leaders of the Shiʿi communities, sinless, and granted special insight into the Qurʾanic text. The theology of the Imams that developed over the next several centuries made little distinction between the authority of the Imams to politically lead the Muslim community and their spiritual prowess; quite to the contrary, their right to political leadership was grounded in their special spiritual insight. While in theory, the only just ruler of the Muslim community was the Imam, the Imams were politically marginal after the first generation. In practice, Shiʿi Muslims negotiated varied approaches to both interpretative authority over Islamic texts and governance of the community, both during the lifetimes of the Imams themselves and even more so following the disappearance of the twelfth and final Imam in the ninth century.
Can Wikipedia remove picture of Ghazan and replace it with an actual image that has significance for this article.
/15:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)15:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)15:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)///////////15:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)15:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)~/////////////15:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)~~/////////// 43.242.178.54 ( talk) 15:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Can we remove the picture of Ghazan from this article because it has nothing to do with the "Mahdi"!
/15:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC)15:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC)//////////////////////15:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC)15:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC) 43.242.178.54 ( talk) 15:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC)///////////////
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2601:CB:8200:9EC0:4DB1:D8A4:9F80:8483 ( talk) 18:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC) Hello, I'd like to make a request to edit the stats of Shia Muslim population, as it is %15-%20. I also would like to mention that the Shahadah stated is not required, but a reaffirmation that is optional to say and profess that you are Shia't Ali.
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