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The last two paragraphs quote Daszak without referring to the fact he is Zhengli's colleague and client. He subcontacts work to her. He is not an independent source: https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
I'm sure there are loads of virologists that can be quoted, but you cannot quote the one that funds her research and jointly publishes papers with her.
From the above article: "The grants were assigned to the prime contractor, Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance, who subcontracted them to Shi". -- Zeth
Shi Zhengli's picture is widely available online. There are two or three excellent headshots that feature the scientist wearing non-work related apparel. I suggest this addition that doesn't violate any copyright.
I recommend against the use of the notorious photos of the Doctor in her positive-pressure suit since these have unfortunately become adopted by trash tabloids who are tasked with engaging in self-hate propaganda directed at all things China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.188.139 ( talk • contribs)
@ ProcrastinatingReader: In this edit, you reinstated a link to a pro-fringe magazine article that engages in conspiracy theorizing about the subject of this BLP. You justify reinstating this link by pointing to an RSN discussion in which you asked whether a WP:MEDRS source is required to verify that Shi Zhengli received grant funding. There are two problems here:
Because you misrepresented the actual dispute, the RSN thread is really irrelevant to our actual dispute here. I'll remind you that this is a BLP, and that linking to articles that push fringe theories, especially when they're defamatory to the subject of the BLP, is very concerning. - Thucydides411 ( talk) 18:05, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
I've replaced the Vanity Fair article with an article in Science Magazine that is specifically about the NIH grants in question. Based on that article, I've included a short description of what the subject of the grants was. I don't think the precise amount of funding is particularly relevant, so I've removed it. - Thucydides411 ( talk) 20:14, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
I think that arguing that Vanity Fair is not RS is a bad way to tackle this, since it obviously is RS. I also object to that sentence, but more for reasons of WP:DUE. The article cherry picked something off her resume to paint a picture that she is engaging in nefarious gain-of-function research. And then it was placed in a section that wasn't even about COVID. I simply question whether or not this is DUE. I also happen to agree with the WP:PROFRINGE argument... it is basically a pro-lab leak talking point. But seems like PROFRINGE has been an unpopular thing to bring up lately, since lab leak is more mainstream now, so we can focus more on the DUE part if you guys want. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 06:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
A user keeps deleting the second paragraph of the block I am about to quote. Is this a correct deletion, or should it be reverted? Either way, the user has left bad grammar ("that that") that will need to be repaired. Maybe Shibbolethink can provide an expert opinion. Thanks.
In 2014, Shi Zhengli collaborated on additional gain-of-function experiments led by Ralph S Baric of the University of North Carolina, which showed that DELETED: two critical mutations that the MERS coronavirus possesses allow it to bind to the human ACE2 receptor, [1] and that SARS had the potential to re-emerge from coronaviruses circulating in bat populations in the wild.
– Novem Linguae ( talk) 21:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
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"Zhengli's discoveri.......". It should be "Shi's discovery.." Shi is her surname. 146.115.69.72 ( talk) 15:39, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
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The last two paragraphs quote Daszak without referring to the fact he is Zhengli's colleague and client. He subcontacts work to her. He is not an independent source: https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
I'm sure there are loads of virologists that can be quoted, but you cannot quote the one that funds her research and jointly publishes papers with her.
From the above article: "The grants were assigned to the prime contractor, Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance, who subcontracted them to Shi". -- Zeth
Shi Zhengli's picture is widely available online. There are two or three excellent headshots that feature the scientist wearing non-work related apparel. I suggest this addition that doesn't violate any copyright.
I recommend against the use of the notorious photos of the Doctor in her positive-pressure suit since these have unfortunately become adopted by trash tabloids who are tasked with engaging in self-hate propaganda directed at all things China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.188.139 ( talk • contribs)
@ ProcrastinatingReader: In this edit, you reinstated a link to a pro-fringe magazine article that engages in conspiracy theorizing about the subject of this BLP. You justify reinstating this link by pointing to an RSN discussion in which you asked whether a WP:MEDRS source is required to verify that Shi Zhengli received grant funding. There are two problems here:
Because you misrepresented the actual dispute, the RSN thread is really irrelevant to our actual dispute here. I'll remind you that this is a BLP, and that linking to articles that push fringe theories, especially when they're defamatory to the subject of the BLP, is very concerning. - Thucydides411 ( talk) 18:05, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
I've replaced the Vanity Fair article with an article in Science Magazine that is specifically about the NIH grants in question. Based on that article, I've included a short description of what the subject of the grants was. I don't think the precise amount of funding is particularly relevant, so I've removed it. - Thucydides411 ( talk) 20:14, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
I think that arguing that Vanity Fair is not RS is a bad way to tackle this, since it obviously is RS. I also object to that sentence, but more for reasons of WP:DUE. The article cherry picked something off her resume to paint a picture that she is engaging in nefarious gain-of-function research. And then it was placed in a section that wasn't even about COVID. I simply question whether or not this is DUE. I also happen to agree with the WP:PROFRINGE argument... it is basically a pro-lab leak talking point. But seems like PROFRINGE has been an unpopular thing to bring up lately, since lab leak is more mainstream now, so we can focus more on the DUE part if you guys want. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 06:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
A user keeps deleting the second paragraph of the block I am about to quote. Is this a correct deletion, or should it be reverted? Either way, the user has left bad grammar ("that that") that will need to be repaired. Maybe Shibbolethink can provide an expert opinion. Thanks.
In 2014, Shi Zhengli collaborated on additional gain-of-function experiments led by Ralph S Baric of the University of North Carolina, which showed that DELETED: two critical mutations that the MERS coronavirus possesses allow it to bind to the human ACE2 receptor, [1] and that SARS had the potential to re-emerge from coronaviruses circulating in bat populations in the wild.
– Novem Linguae ( talk) 21:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
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"Zhengli's discoveri.......". It should be "Shi's discovery.." Shi is her surname. 146.115.69.72 ( talk) 15:39, 1 October 2021 (UTC)