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This woman has been in the news a lot lately and I think it should be expanded. I'll give it my best shot and see what is out there on her. I'm going to work on this "live" so please feel free to throw your hat in. Sgerbic ( talk) 04:32, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Tenpenny's published CV here refers to her degree as a "Doctor of Osteopathy", which is what the article currently says. An IP editor has suggested changing this to a "Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine", citing the comment at her profile here which says she "received her training as an osteopathic medical doctor".
Can anybody provide a reliable, independent source which can settle the question definitively?-- Gronk Oz ( talk) 22:38, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
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I am concerned that there is no information about her post medical school training. It is highly irregular to graduate residency and be "director of emergency services" for a hospital prior to a residency. (She is listed as such merely 2 years after graduation. Typically this is a position that held by a physician who has an emergency medicine residency (4 years after medical school), board certification, and around 10 years of experience.)
Sincerely a concerned physician. 2600:100F:B05A:7EDB:6D78:2722:AED2:815D ( talk) 23:36, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm all for the expanded info box for Tenpenny. Shown here in this version. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sherri_Tenpenny&oldid=1028189970 Sgerbic ( talk) 15:27, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
I'd hoped we were done with the major issues in all the articles listed at Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Anti-vax_report_published_in_The_Hill. I hope this is the last. I've avoided infobox disputes, even before I became aware of the sanctions for them: WP:ARBINFOBOX2, and am not very familiar with the general consensus around them beyond the need to keep them brief and highly focused on notability, with the exception of some general information. Even if there weren't multiple other articles where nearly identical problems had apparently already been resolved, this looks like rather blatant RECENTISM. Copied below for discussion: -- Hipal ( talk) 15:28, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Anti-vaccine activism, [1] [2] advocacy for alternative medicine, [3] [4] [5] [6] and spreading misinformation, including COVID-19 misinformation [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]
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I'm guessing Far Left Liberals write these articles that accuse people who they don't agree with of being Conspiracy theorists..Instead of Claiming that these people spew out Disinformation you should prove that they are spewing out Disinformation. Sopranos44449 ( talk) 01:32, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Tenpenny was suspended from Twitter in early June 2021: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/09/sherri-tenpennys-bizarre-anti-vaccine-testimony-was-long-time-coming/, https://www.techtimes.com/articles/262335/20210702/anti-vaxxer-covid-19-vaccines-magnetic-suspended-twitter.htm, https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/07/01/twitter-suspends-account-ohio-doctor-who-claimed-covid-19-vaccine-causes-magnetism/
Just starting a discussion re. the PPP loan section started by Ari T. Benchaim. Soibangla undid it with questions about notability. Is it notable considering she is known for spreading/perpetuating COVID-19 misinformation, and this loan was to mitigate the effects of the pandemic? Light&highbeautyforever ( talk) 22:36, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
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Given that this page deals in part with scholarly topics it would be wise to use them rather than fact check sites and general news don't you think? Something like the selection here perhaps: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C15&q=covid+19+vaccine+side+effects&btnG= — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.210.91.213 ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
While not disputing the apparent craziness of her beliefs, it seems like the intro for this article could really be toned down a little, eh? Do we really need "disproven", "falsely" and a whole sentence about one cancelled lecture right in the first paragraph? Full disclosure: I'm an old boomer on this site, mostly inactive for the last decade, but I don't think this would've gone over well back in the day. WP:BLPBALANCE, WP:BLPSTYLE and all that. Wknight94 talk 14:36, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia as a neutral source of information, the only way to do that is to stop being
a neutral source of informationby pandering to their belief and pretending it is a viable hypothesis. If that happened, I would
stop trusting Wikipedia as a neutral source of information. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 06:41, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Wknight94 has a valid point, in that it is possible to have a factual lead that is still biased. In this case I think the lead does need to be rewritten. To go through it line by line:
There is no mention of autism in the article except in this one instance in the lead. It is raised in the ref, but it is not emphasised and is only one of a number of things the ref says that she claims. As far as I know, Tenpenny is anti-vax in general, and isn't particularly focused on autism, so perhaps this should not be the first thing we emphasis.
Seems fair enough, and tells me who she is and what she does. Would make more sense as part of the first sentence rather than the second.
Absolutly true, but a relatively minor part of the article (one sentence under Anti-vaccination activism). Proportionally, it has much greater emphasis in the lead than in the body. I don;t think it meeds that much emphasis.
Relevant, and I think significant enough to be in the lead.
Funny, but seems to suffer from recentism. What I'd be inclined to do is lead with a statement statement of who she is and her position (osteopathic physician, anti-vaccination activist, author), then a statement of her claims (more general than just autism) and a clear statement that her stance on vacciation does not match the scientific consenus. Then a statement about COIVD - probably the Countering Digital Hate claim - and the response (banned from Twitter, cancellation of lecture tour, etc). - Bilby ( talk) 09:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Contradicting a postulate is not "disproving" it. The problem with vaccines causing autism is that it would be quite difficult to proof although there are cases where autism-like conditions occurred after vaccinations. There is always the possibility that other potential causes had been present. -- 105.12.4.204 ( talk) 08:27, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
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This woman has been in the news a lot lately and I think it should be expanded. I'll give it my best shot and see what is out there on her. I'm going to work on this "live" so please feel free to throw your hat in. Sgerbic ( talk) 04:32, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Tenpenny's published CV here refers to her degree as a "Doctor of Osteopathy", which is what the article currently says. An IP editor has suggested changing this to a "Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine", citing the comment at her profile here which says she "received her training as an osteopathic medical doctor".
Can anybody provide a reliable, independent source which can settle the question definitively?-- Gronk Oz ( talk) 22:38, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I am concerned that there is no information about her post medical school training. It is highly irregular to graduate residency and be "director of emergency services" for a hospital prior to a residency. (She is listed as such merely 2 years after graduation. Typically this is a position that held by a physician who has an emergency medicine residency (4 years after medical school), board certification, and around 10 years of experience.)
Sincerely a concerned physician. 2600:100F:B05A:7EDB:6D78:2722:AED2:815D ( talk) 23:36, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm all for the expanded info box for Tenpenny. Shown here in this version. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sherri_Tenpenny&oldid=1028189970 Sgerbic ( talk) 15:27, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
I'd hoped we were done with the major issues in all the articles listed at Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Anti-vax_report_published_in_The_Hill. I hope this is the last. I've avoided infobox disputes, even before I became aware of the sanctions for them: WP:ARBINFOBOX2, and am not very familiar with the general consensus around them beyond the need to keep them brief and highly focused on notability, with the exception of some general information. Even if there weren't multiple other articles where nearly identical problems had apparently already been resolved, this looks like rather blatant RECENTISM. Copied below for discussion: -- Hipal ( talk) 15:28, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Anti-vaccine activism, [1] [2] advocacy for alternative medicine, [3] [4] [5] [6] and spreading misinformation, including COVID-19 misinformation [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]
References
I'm guessing Far Left Liberals write these articles that accuse people who they don't agree with of being Conspiracy theorists..Instead of Claiming that these people spew out Disinformation you should prove that they are spewing out Disinformation. Sopranos44449 ( talk) 01:32, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Tenpenny was suspended from Twitter in early June 2021: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/09/sherri-tenpennys-bizarre-anti-vaccine-testimony-was-long-time-coming/, https://www.techtimes.com/articles/262335/20210702/anti-vaxxer-covid-19-vaccines-magnetic-suspended-twitter.htm, https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/07/01/twitter-suspends-account-ohio-doctor-who-claimed-covid-19-vaccine-causes-magnetism/
Just starting a discussion re. the PPP loan section started by Ari T. Benchaim. Soibangla undid it with questions about notability. Is it notable considering she is known for spreading/perpetuating COVID-19 misinformation, and this loan was to mitigate the effects of the pandemic? Light&highbeautyforever ( talk) 22:36, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
WP:NOTHERE soibangla ( talk) 01:08, 12 July 2021 (UTC) |
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Given that this page deals in part with scholarly topics it would be wise to use them rather than fact check sites and general news don't you think? Something like the selection here perhaps: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C15&q=covid+19+vaccine+side+effects&btnG= — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.210.91.213 ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
While not disputing the apparent craziness of her beliefs, it seems like the intro for this article could really be toned down a little, eh? Do we really need "disproven", "falsely" and a whole sentence about one cancelled lecture right in the first paragraph? Full disclosure: I'm an old boomer on this site, mostly inactive for the last decade, but I don't think this would've gone over well back in the day. WP:BLPBALANCE, WP:BLPSTYLE and all that. Wknight94 talk 14:36, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia as a neutral source of information, the only way to do that is to stop being
a neutral source of informationby pandering to their belief and pretending it is a viable hypothesis. If that happened, I would
stop trusting Wikipedia as a neutral source of information. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 06:41, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Wknight94 has a valid point, in that it is possible to have a factual lead that is still biased. In this case I think the lead does need to be rewritten. To go through it line by line:
There is no mention of autism in the article except in this one instance in the lead. It is raised in the ref, but it is not emphasised and is only one of a number of things the ref says that she claims. As far as I know, Tenpenny is anti-vax in general, and isn't particularly focused on autism, so perhaps this should not be the first thing we emphasis.
Seems fair enough, and tells me who she is and what she does. Would make more sense as part of the first sentence rather than the second.
Absolutly true, but a relatively minor part of the article (one sentence under Anti-vaccination activism). Proportionally, it has much greater emphasis in the lead than in the body. I don;t think it meeds that much emphasis.
Relevant, and I think significant enough to be in the lead.
Funny, but seems to suffer from recentism. What I'd be inclined to do is lead with a statement statement of who she is and her position (osteopathic physician, anti-vaccination activist, author), then a statement of her claims (more general than just autism) and a clear statement that her stance on vacciation does not match the scientific consenus. Then a statement about COIVD - probably the Countering Digital Hate claim - and the response (banned from Twitter, cancellation of lecture tour, etc). - Bilby ( talk) 09:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Contradicting a postulate is not "disproving" it. The problem with vaccines causing autism is that it would be quite difficult to proof although there are cases where autism-like conditions occurred after vaccinations. There is always the possibility that other potential causes had been present. -- 105.12.4.204 ( talk) 08:27, 5 January 2022 (UTC)