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Deleted the reference to Shir Khan, which was just confusing. In the books Kipling only ever uses the one spelling. Lee M 03:55, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Deleted links leading to pages containg villains (ie: film villains) because Shere Khan is a predator not a villian. I kept him as a Disney villain however
The villagers believe the big cat to be the reincarnation of a hard-hearted money-lender. Mowgli is skeptical about this because he knows Shere Khan was born lame. But if you think about it, the fact that he was born lame makes it more likely, not less, that his lameness is the result of reincarnation. Erudil 16:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Deleted the phrase "ginger cosh"; could not understand the phrase, was not able to find a definition for it in various dictionaries (including slang dictionaries); google search on "ginger cosh" turned up only this very wiki article. Phrase must not be in popular usage. Danwri ( talk) 04:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Deleted the translation of Sher to mean "lion". Lion in Hindi is Singh or Babbur Sher. S P 17:13, 23 August 2009, Ahmedabad, India
Undid the last change of translation of the word sher to tiger. This is just plain wrong. Sher is the colloquially used term for Lions (Sinh being the formal term), while Bagh is the term for Tigers. Sometimes the word sher is used more generally to refer to any big cat but which is why Rudyard Kipling might himself have used it to refer to the tigers. Though not the best possible reference, but the best I can think of, look at any discovery channel / animal planet voice overs of documentaries on lions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.234.147.243 ( talk) 20:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Why does the article have a birthdate for the Disney villain? Is this information sourced from somewhere reliable -- and even if it is, is it really worth having here? AAHoug 08:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
The start of the "Disney Version" section says:
In Disney's 1967 animated adaptation of The Jungle Book, Shere Khan is the major villain, entering the story about two-thirds of the way through. His seductive, purring voice was supplied by the late George Sanders and by Carlos Petrel in the Spanish version of the movie.
I understand that there should be some notability responsible for the mention of the Spanish voice of Sher Khan for the Disney version. Could someone help me out with determining what it is, exactly? I hope the way that I came out didn't sound harsh; it wasn't intended to be. Much appreciated.
98.202.38.225 (
talk) 03:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
how could kipling have encountered sher shah suri in afghanistan when he born 300 years after sher shah suri died and sher shah suri never invaded afghanistan in the first place 59.164.19.120 ( talk) 05:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Besides one category, this article does not reference TaleSpin, which carries Jungle Book characters in a developed city. -- Gh87 ( talk) 19:25, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
So the line
is incorrect, but I'm not sure how to correct it. It seems the writer (Rudyard Kipling) himself made a mistake.
http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/बंगाल_बाघ
Bengal_tiger — Preceding unsigned comment added by MurkMenthaa ( talk • contribs) 15:43, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
References
Please note that unless a reliable source can be provided, statements such as that Khan is the main antagonist or speculation as to why he's immune to Kaa's hypnosis constitute original research and should not be added to the article. Doniago ( talk) 13:00, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
If anything is lacking a source please: 1. Ask the original editor to provide sources 2. Take a minute or two to search for sources 3. Place a tag on the article, so other editors can find sources.
The above are easy and polite.
If there are no BLP issues, don't be disruptive and remove sections without trying the above first. It's rude and does not help wikipedia.
Sennen Goroshi ! ( talk) 06:31, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Apparently we can't mention the fact that Shere Khan is the main antagonist of The Jungle Book, despite the fact that he is, because it's "not sourced". That's all fine and dandy, except for the fact that such a rule only seems to exist or at least be enforced on this page regarding this character. All other famous villains/antagonists have their roles as main antagonists mentioned on their pages despite having no citated sources. And on this very page and others regarding the 1994 film, it goes out of it's way to mention that Boone, a one-shot character who only appeared in one adaptation that was even further away from the original source than the animated Disney film, as the villain of that film, despite once again there being no source for that either. By comparison, the closest we get to Shere Khan, the main antagonist of the series/franchise, being referred to as such is mention of him being "a villain" in Mowgli's Story, where he was, once again, the main antagonist. So a one-shot character is referred to as "the" villain while the primary Jungle Book antagonist is referred to as "a" villain at best.
That is like removing all mentions of Bowser being the main antagonist of the Mario franchise because there's no linked source, yet constantly referring to Wart, a one shot character from Super Mario Bros 2 as the main antagonist of Mario 2 whenever he's mentioned, despite also having no linked source to said information. It's just extremely bizarre and confusing and does nothing to help with the article. If anything it's extremely misleading to readers unfamilar with the work and it's characters, which is the exact opposite of the purpose of these articles.
So either enforce this rule for other villains/antagonists, or don't enforce it at all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:183:C100:8B:9C16:A60C:956:F62F ( talk) 18:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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Deleted the reference to Shir Khan, which was just confusing. In the books Kipling only ever uses the one spelling. Lee M 03:55, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Deleted links leading to pages containg villains (ie: film villains) because Shere Khan is a predator not a villian. I kept him as a Disney villain however
The villagers believe the big cat to be the reincarnation of a hard-hearted money-lender. Mowgli is skeptical about this because he knows Shere Khan was born lame. But if you think about it, the fact that he was born lame makes it more likely, not less, that his lameness is the result of reincarnation. Erudil 16:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Deleted the phrase "ginger cosh"; could not understand the phrase, was not able to find a definition for it in various dictionaries (including slang dictionaries); google search on "ginger cosh" turned up only this very wiki article. Phrase must not be in popular usage. Danwri ( talk) 04:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Deleted the translation of Sher to mean "lion". Lion in Hindi is Singh or Babbur Sher. S P 17:13, 23 August 2009, Ahmedabad, India
Undid the last change of translation of the word sher to tiger. This is just plain wrong. Sher is the colloquially used term for Lions (Sinh being the formal term), while Bagh is the term for Tigers. Sometimes the word sher is used more generally to refer to any big cat but which is why Rudyard Kipling might himself have used it to refer to the tigers. Though not the best possible reference, but the best I can think of, look at any discovery channel / animal planet voice overs of documentaries on lions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.234.147.243 ( talk) 20:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Why does the article have a birthdate for the Disney villain? Is this information sourced from somewhere reliable -- and even if it is, is it really worth having here? AAHoug 08:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
The start of the "Disney Version" section says:
In Disney's 1967 animated adaptation of The Jungle Book, Shere Khan is the major villain, entering the story about two-thirds of the way through. His seductive, purring voice was supplied by the late George Sanders and by Carlos Petrel in the Spanish version of the movie.
I understand that there should be some notability responsible for the mention of the Spanish voice of Sher Khan for the Disney version. Could someone help me out with determining what it is, exactly? I hope the way that I came out didn't sound harsh; it wasn't intended to be. Much appreciated.
98.202.38.225 (
talk) 03:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
how could kipling have encountered sher shah suri in afghanistan when he born 300 years after sher shah suri died and sher shah suri never invaded afghanistan in the first place 59.164.19.120 ( talk) 05:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Besides one category, this article does not reference TaleSpin, which carries Jungle Book characters in a developed city. -- Gh87 ( talk) 19:25, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
So the line
is incorrect, but I'm not sure how to correct it. It seems the writer (Rudyard Kipling) himself made a mistake.
http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/बंगाल_बाघ
Bengal_tiger — Preceding unsigned comment added by MurkMenthaa ( talk • contribs) 15:43, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
References
Please note that unless a reliable source can be provided, statements such as that Khan is the main antagonist or speculation as to why he's immune to Kaa's hypnosis constitute original research and should not be added to the article. Doniago ( talk) 13:00, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
If anything is lacking a source please: 1. Ask the original editor to provide sources 2. Take a minute or two to search for sources 3. Place a tag on the article, so other editors can find sources.
The above are easy and polite.
If there are no BLP issues, don't be disruptive and remove sections without trying the above first. It's rude and does not help wikipedia.
Sennen Goroshi ! ( talk) 06:31, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Apparently we can't mention the fact that Shere Khan is the main antagonist of The Jungle Book, despite the fact that he is, because it's "not sourced". That's all fine and dandy, except for the fact that such a rule only seems to exist or at least be enforced on this page regarding this character. All other famous villains/antagonists have their roles as main antagonists mentioned on their pages despite having no citated sources. And on this very page and others regarding the 1994 film, it goes out of it's way to mention that Boone, a one-shot character who only appeared in one adaptation that was even further away from the original source than the animated Disney film, as the villain of that film, despite once again there being no source for that either. By comparison, the closest we get to Shere Khan, the main antagonist of the series/franchise, being referred to as such is mention of him being "a villain" in Mowgli's Story, where he was, once again, the main antagonist. So a one-shot character is referred to as "the" villain while the primary Jungle Book antagonist is referred to as "a" villain at best.
That is like removing all mentions of Bowser being the main antagonist of the Mario franchise because there's no linked source, yet constantly referring to Wart, a one shot character from Super Mario Bros 2 as the main antagonist of Mario 2 whenever he's mentioned, despite also having no linked source to said information. It's just extremely bizarre and confusing and does nothing to help with the article. If anything it's extremely misleading to readers unfamilar with the work and it's characters, which is the exact opposite of the purpose of these articles.
So either enforce this rule for other villains/antagonists, or don't enforce it at all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:183:C100:8B:9C16:A60C:956:F62F ( talk) 18:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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