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I am surprised that naval historians have not made more of Sheerness as one of the most famous mutinies happened at The Nore, which unhappily if memory served me right, affected the freshly reprovisioned Captain Bligh as well.
The mutiny by the Royal Navy at this point led to the question of establishing the basic charter of sailor's rights in the Royal Navy. Also somewhere was a reference where the Navy broke its word to the mutineers and hung the ringleaders despite promises not to.
Also the new Queensferry Bridge was a source of much merriment in the 1970's wwhen BBC TV's Frank Spencer was raised on that bridge for the long reigning comedy show "Some mother's do have 'em".
A mention of the long gone light railway between Sheerness and Leysdown may be useful.
I have passed this article and am surprised it hasn't been done already - IMO this is a very well written article and my only concern is that there ought to be some more representative "typical street" type photos of the town. I haven't signed off on "stable" purely because there have been so many recent changes, but from the edit history I've no concerns since there's no sign of edit warring. I think the "History" section could usefully be broken into subsections, and the transport section could do with serious expansion (this is a major port, after all) but these are relatively minor concerns — iridescent (talk to me!) 16:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Will be giving this a copyedit as well; these are broader suggestions for fleshing out the actual content.
Maralia 19:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Had a first look at this and it reads very well. References are excellent. Would be inclined to agree with Maralia about beach pictures, but I've had a look around and haven't seen an appropriate alternative yet. Will go back over again for CE. Sorry about the delay. Kateshortforbob 22:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)kateshortforbob 2312, 15 July 2007 (GMT)
In the introduction, it indicates that "...after a Dutch attack in 1692, Samuel Pepys, the Secretary to the Admiralty..." According to the S. Pepys Wikipedia entry, Pepys left government in 1688, lost his seat in Parliament in 1689, was imprisoned in 1690, and when released, retired from public life. So he could not have been Secretary to the Admiralty in 1692 or later.
The date of the Dutch attack mentioned in the introduction, 1692, does not agree with the first paragraph of the "History" section, which mentions a "1667 Dutch raid". Were there two attacks?
The History section says that after the 1667 Dutch raid, "the Secretary of the Admiralty, Samuel Pepys, subsequently ordered the construction of a naval dockyard..." I took this to mean that S. Pepys was the Secretary of the Admiralty when the raid took place, although I think it could mean that years later, when he became Sec. of the Admiralty (it was 1673) he so ordered the construction. In any case, he was not Sec. of the Admiralty in 1667--he was Clerk of the Acts to the Navy Board.
This is the first comment I have ever made. Thank you. A2taggart 17:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
18 August 1665 in his Diary , Pepys records that the plan for a dockyard at Sheerness to supplement the one at Chatham was measured out by three members of the Navy Board -- he (Clerk of the Acts of the Navy), Sir W. Batten (Surveyor of the Navy) and Sir J. Mennes (Comptroller of the Navy) -- who "walked up and down, laying out the ground to be taken in for a yard to lay provisions for cleaning and repairing of ships....which however the King is not at present in purse to do, though it were to be wished he were." [1] I infer that there was no connection -- certainly not causal -- between the raid on the Medway and the building of the royal yards, and will so edit the Sheerness article. Dadofsam ( talk) 23:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
a) The map shows a penninsula, not an island. b) If the map is oriented North, then the dot is on the north east, not north west coast. Please clarify. Shir-El too 12:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Appears that map has been updated allowing island to be seen. But when map is enlarged the label for Sheerness is lost. 2.97.32.211 ( talk) 18:36, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
I didn't know what wiki links to put in the clause, "Sheerness is one of the United Kingdom's leading car and fresh produce importers" — is that "car" = automobile, or maybe "car produce" is a UK equivalent of US truck farm, which redirects to market gardening, or something else? D.Z. Dean 15:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I have added a spoken version of this article; see the link above. Hassocks5489 ( talk) 14:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Is there any chance of a static image being put into the infobox, akin to say Runcorn, Bath, Somerset, Wormshill or most of the other FA UK settlements? I don't see why the photo of the clock tower couldn't go in, but as it's an FA, I thought I best ask first! -- Jza84 · ( talk) 21:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Would somebody please update the section on education - Cheyne Middle School and Danley Middle school no longer exist as The Isle of Sheppey Academy has taken over. I would add all of the information myself, but I have never edited something before on Wikipedia and do not fully understand it, and I am not the best with words - as you can probably see from the small entry I did successfully make after the current education content (I was quite proud I managed to do this! =D)
Anyway, if somebody would be good enough to do this, it would be greatly appreciated - I'm more than happy to help anybody if they need any information regarding the Academy. :)
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A display at Upnor Castle mentions that the Dutch Captured Sheerness when they raided the Medway in Second Dutch War. How long did the capture Sheerness for, there is mention of a week? Is there any other information about how long the Dutch held Sheerness for after their landing in Kent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.159.236 ( talk) 08:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-40175458
At Upnor Castle, it says that Sheerness was captured by the Dutch. This means Sheerness is one of the only places on the island of Great Britain to have been captured by foreign troops since the First Barons War? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.32.138 ( talk) 13:10, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
It's a shame, but this article currently falls well short of the criteria for featured articles. There are numerous incorrectly formatted or dead external links, unsourced sections and paragraphs, unencyclopaedic language, dated statements, an a section of dubious weight and relevance to the overall article ('Tales of Beachfields Park'). A featured article review will doubtless produce a more thorough report. I'd be prepared to lend what assistance I could to reworking the article, but otherwise I don't see an alternative to downgrading the article. Benea ( talk) 21:44, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
The Dutch version of events, on wikipedia more accurately reflects the information at Upnor Museum, that in fact the Dutch did capture Sheerness.
"The Dutch Marines" paid for their meals...etc
Sheerness was the hub of an attack by the Dutch navy in June 1667 , when 72 vessels during the Journey to Chatham forced the small fort to surrender. An occupying force came ashore; civilized behavior of the troops surprised the people of Sheerness: the Marines were paying for their meals. During the commemoration, 300 years later, the Dutch navy was therefore once again invited. Sheerness was also the venue for a royal shipyard .
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A few days ago I created a new section on notable people. I began it by transferring the details of five people from the end of the history section. I extended and expanded these five with about a dozen or so others from wikipedia. Contributor Roger 8 Roger has deleted most of the list, (bringing it down to just four) saying the list included uncited entries and conflicted with WP:LISTBIO
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ArbieP ( talk) 09:45, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. I take the drift of most of what you say. I've chopped out five with the weakest links with Sheerness, by which I mean that their notability was not directly attributable to life and times in Sheerness. I do struggle to remove Dr Beeching, as knowing where he comes from, tells me something (perhaps mistakenly) about his attitude to railways.
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Following the discussion above- I looked at several sections.
A massive rewrite is needed- before we trigger a reassessment. ClemRutter ( talk) 19:13, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
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I am surprised that naval historians have not made more of Sheerness as one of the most famous mutinies happened at The Nore, which unhappily if memory served me right, affected the freshly reprovisioned Captain Bligh as well.
The mutiny by the Royal Navy at this point led to the question of establishing the basic charter of sailor's rights in the Royal Navy. Also somewhere was a reference where the Navy broke its word to the mutineers and hung the ringleaders despite promises not to.
Also the new Queensferry Bridge was a source of much merriment in the 1970's wwhen BBC TV's Frank Spencer was raised on that bridge for the long reigning comedy show "Some mother's do have 'em".
A mention of the long gone light railway between Sheerness and Leysdown may be useful.
I have passed this article and am surprised it hasn't been done already - IMO this is a very well written article and my only concern is that there ought to be some more representative "typical street" type photos of the town. I haven't signed off on "stable" purely because there have been so many recent changes, but from the edit history I've no concerns since there's no sign of edit warring. I think the "History" section could usefully be broken into subsections, and the transport section could do with serious expansion (this is a major port, after all) but these are relatively minor concerns — iridescent (talk to me!) 16:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Will be giving this a copyedit as well; these are broader suggestions for fleshing out the actual content.
Maralia 19:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Had a first look at this and it reads very well. References are excellent. Would be inclined to agree with Maralia about beach pictures, but I've had a look around and haven't seen an appropriate alternative yet. Will go back over again for CE. Sorry about the delay. Kateshortforbob 22:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)kateshortforbob 2312, 15 July 2007 (GMT)
In the introduction, it indicates that "...after a Dutch attack in 1692, Samuel Pepys, the Secretary to the Admiralty..." According to the S. Pepys Wikipedia entry, Pepys left government in 1688, lost his seat in Parliament in 1689, was imprisoned in 1690, and when released, retired from public life. So he could not have been Secretary to the Admiralty in 1692 or later.
The date of the Dutch attack mentioned in the introduction, 1692, does not agree with the first paragraph of the "History" section, which mentions a "1667 Dutch raid". Were there two attacks?
The History section says that after the 1667 Dutch raid, "the Secretary of the Admiralty, Samuel Pepys, subsequently ordered the construction of a naval dockyard..." I took this to mean that S. Pepys was the Secretary of the Admiralty when the raid took place, although I think it could mean that years later, when he became Sec. of the Admiralty (it was 1673) he so ordered the construction. In any case, he was not Sec. of the Admiralty in 1667--he was Clerk of the Acts to the Navy Board.
This is the first comment I have ever made. Thank you. A2taggart 17:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
18 August 1665 in his Diary , Pepys records that the plan for a dockyard at Sheerness to supplement the one at Chatham was measured out by three members of the Navy Board -- he (Clerk of the Acts of the Navy), Sir W. Batten (Surveyor of the Navy) and Sir J. Mennes (Comptroller of the Navy) -- who "walked up and down, laying out the ground to be taken in for a yard to lay provisions for cleaning and repairing of ships....which however the King is not at present in purse to do, though it were to be wished he were." [1] I infer that there was no connection -- certainly not causal -- between the raid on the Medway and the building of the royal yards, and will so edit the Sheerness article. Dadofsam ( talk) 23:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
a) The map shows a penninsula, not an island. b) If the map is oriented North, then the dot is on the north east, not north west coast. Please clarify. Shir-El too 12:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Appears that map has been updated allowing island to be seen. But when map is enlarged the label for Sheerness is lost. 2.97.32.211 ( talk) 18:36, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
I didn't know what wiki links to put in the clause, "Sheerness is one of the United Kingdom's leading car and fresh produce importers" — is that "car" = automobile, or maybe "car produce" is a UK equivalent of US truck farm, which redirects to market gardening, or something else? D.Z. Dean 15:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I have added a spoken version of this article; see the link above. Hassocks5489 ( talk) 14:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Is there any chance of a static image being put into the infobox, akin to say Runcorn, Bath, Somerset, Wormshill or most of the other FA UK settlements? I don't see why the photo of the clock tower couldn't go in, but as it's an FA, I thought I best ask first! -- Jza84 · ( talk) 21:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Would somebody please update the section on education - Cheyne Middle School and Danley Middle school no longer exist as The Isle of Sheppey Academy has taken over. I would add all of the information myself, but I have never edited something before on Wikipedia and do not fully understand it, and I am not the best with words - as you can probably see from the small entry I did successfully make after the current education content (I was quite proud I managed to do this! =D)
Anyway, if somebody would be good enough to do this, it would be greatly appreciated - I'm more than happy to help anybody if they need any information regarding the Academy. :)
94.194.122.49 ( talk) 20:29, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
A display at Upnor Castle mentions that the Dutch Captured Sheerness when they raided the Medway in Second Dutch War. How long did the capture Sheerness for, there is mention of a week? Is there any other information about how long the Dutch held Sheerness for after their landing in Kent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.159.236 ( talk) 08:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-40175458
At Upnor Castle, it says that Sheerness was captured by the Dutch. This means Sheerness is one of the only places on the island of Great Britain to have been captured by foreign troops since the First Barons War? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.32.138 ( talk) 13:10, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
It's a shame, but this article currently falls well short of the criteria for featured articles. There are numerous incorrectly formatted or dead external links, unsourced sections and paragraphs, unencyclopaedic language, dated statements, an a section of dubious weight and relevance to the overall article ('Tales of Beachfields Park'). A featured article review will doubtless produce a more thorough report. I'd be prepared to lend what assistance I could to reworking the article, but otherwise I don't see an alternative to downgrading the article. Benea ( talk) 21:44, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
The Dutch version of events, on wikipedia more accurately reflects the information at Upnor Museum, that in fact the Dutch did capture Sheerness.
"The Dutch Marines" paid for their meals...etc
Sheerness was the hub of an attack by the Dutch navy in June 1667 , when 72 vessels during the Journey to Chatham forced the small fort to surrender. An occupying force came ashore; civilized behavior of the troops surprised the people of Sheerness: the Marines were paying for their meals. During the commemoration, 300 years later, the Dutch navy was therefore once again invited. Sheerness was also the venue for a royal shipyard .
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A few days ago I created a new section on notable people. I began it by transferring the details of five people from the end of the history section. I extended and expanded these five with about a dozen or so others from wikipedia. Contributor Roger 8 Roger has deleted most of the list, (bringing it down to just four) saying the list included uncited entries and conflicted with WP:LISTBIO
I am grateful for the reference to WP:LISTBIO. I have now re-visited my extended list and re-posted most (but not all) of them AND spelled out explicitly the association each of them has with Sheerness, usually that they were born there.
I hope users will now find the longer list informative, interesting and compliant.
ArbieP ( talk) 09:45, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. I take the drift of most of what you say. I've chopped out five with the weakest links with Sheerness, by which I mean that their notability was not directly attributable to life and times in Sheerness. I do struggle to remove Dr Beeching, as knowing where he comes from, tells me something (perhaps mistakenly) about his attitude to railways.
ArbieP ( talk) 18:12, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Following the discussion above- I looked at several sections.
A massive rewrite is needed- before we trigger a reassessment. ClemRutter ( talk) 19:13, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
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