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It is with pity that another social inadequate descends on a simple article and starts trying to fit their view of the cosmos on its purpose. To inform people about the film. Irrespective of whether it matters if the rules are there or not. This is an old film that actually was the starting-out point for many actors who went on to be more famous. Sticking to very narrow criteria is the domain of a fundamentalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.182.44.218 ( talk) 22:53, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
I removed Rudy Bowman and Harry Woods since the articles are stubs so do not pass WP:NOTABILITY standards. I would also recommend removing Francis Ford, Cliff Lyons, Frank McGrath, Mickey Simpson, William Steele and Dan White since their roles in this film are not even notable to mention it on their pages. The only real notable one for me is Peter J. Ortiz the decorated marine from WWII. AbramTerger ( talk) 09:47, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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Glad to see agreement on the notability of Francis Ford. But let me say, if a person's name does not appear in the onscreen credits (or on the poster), than they are uncredited for our purposes, and the article needs to state that. "Offscreen Credit" and uncredited effectively mean the same thing for the film-goer. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 15:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Can you use a format akin to Anchorman 2: The Legend Continues, where there is the billed cast, then the credited cameo members, and then the uncredited notable cast members? - AngusWOOF ( talk) 16:43, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
It's a simple premise all legitimate sources follow - roles that were uncredited need to be labelled as such. The AFI is unusual because it uses the term "Offscreen Credit", but that means the same thing - there's no onscreen credit for that person. (Hitchcock, by his own choice, never took a producer credit, so it's usually noted that he was the uncredited producer on his last two dozen films. And John Ford, for that matter, usually did the same thing. On all but one film where he was a producer as well as director, he took "directed by" credit but not a producer credit - including Yellow Ribbon, where he was one of the film's two producers.) That doesn't mean an uncredited person is blocked from being mentioned in the article. Not at all. The same standard of notability applies. Smaller credited roles well down the Cast list are usually not included on WP articles for more recent releases. It's true that older films credited less actors, often leaving out the smallest roles, so you're more likely to include uncredited roles from them, as we see in this case. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 23:00, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Shirly Temple stared, not Joanne Drew 47.204.49.45 ( talk) 22:38, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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It is with pity that another social inadequate descends on a simple article and starts trying to fit their view of the cosmos on its purpose. To inform people about the film. Irrespective of whether it matters if the rules are there or not. This is an old film that actually was the starting-out point for many actors who went on to be more famous. Sticking to very narrow criteria is the domain of a fundamentalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.182.44.218 ( talk) 22:53, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
I removed Rudy Bowman and Harry Woods since the articles are stubs so do not pass WP:NOTABILITY standards. I would also recommend removing Francis Ford, Cliff Lyons, Frank McGrath, Mickey Simpson, William Steele and Dan White since their roles in this film are not even notable to mention it on their pages. The only real notable one for me is Peter J. Ortiz the decorated marine from WWII. AbramTerger ( talk) 09:47, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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Glad to see agreement on the notability of Francis Ford. But let me say, if a person's name does not appear in the onscreen credits (or on the poster), than they are uncredited for our purposes, and the article needs to state that. "Offscreen Credit" and uncredited effectively mean the same thing for the film-goer. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 15:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Can you use a format akin to Anchorman 2: The Legend Continues, where there is the billed cast, then the credited cameo members, and then the uncredited notable cast members? - AngusWOOF ( talk) 16:43, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
It's a simple premise all legitimate sources follow - roles that were uncredited need to be labelled as such. The AFI is unusual because it uses the term "Offscreen Credit", but that means the same thing - there's no onscreen credit for that person. (Hitchcock, by his own choice, never took a producer credit, so it's usually noted that he was the uncredited producer on his last two dozen films. And John Ford, for that matter, usually did the same thing. On all but one film where he was a producer as well as director, he took "directed by" credit but not a producer credit - including Yellow Ribbon, where he was one of the film's two producers.) That doesn't mean an uncredited person is blocked from being mentioned in the article. Not at all. The same standard of notability applies. Smaller credited roles well down the Cast list are usually not included on WP articles for more recent releases. It's true that older films credited less actors, often leaving out the smallest roles, so you're more likely to include uncredited roles from them, as we see in this case. - Gothicfilm ( talk) 23:00, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Shirly Temple stared, not Joanne Drew 47.204.49.45 ( talk) 22:38, 31 December 2023 (UTC)