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all those underneath:
We cannot annihilate the percentage of arbitrariness/
randomness of the human conduct.
Free will is an explosion in the name of the supposedly Universal
personhood; the god/allah.
Free will is a misconception.
Psychologically it's beneficial to believe in free will according to statistical data.
Psychologically it's not beneficial to be physically harmed by terrorists according to statistical data (the majority of the victims feel bad and that is measurable and quantifiable).
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She got gaslit by a terrorist program designed to harvest brides for the allah partriarchy. Seems like an open and shut case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.98.195.236 ( talk) 15:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
A few minutes ago I moved this page from "Shameena Begum (Shamina Begum)" to "Shamina Begum", thinking that this must be her real name. However, I'm ignorant of the fact that her real name might be "Shamima Begum" ( BBC News, The Guardian). And I can't really fix this myself since Shamima Begum exists and is actually a redirect to this article (hmm...) Since I'm just a passerby (I came across this article because the news is talking about it) I hope someone might be able to verify her real name and to make necessary adjustments. Thank you. Ho Tuan Kiet ( talk) 19:28, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm in the process of correcting this. There are two separate people - this one, Sharmeena Begum, left the UK in December 2014. The news developments in the last week don't refer to her. They refer to Shamima Begum, who left the UK in Jan 2015 and whose mother is still alive (per cited source). She doesn't have her own article but is part of a joint article with the two teenagers who left at the same time as her. I will make adjustments necessary. 2A02:C7D:5E53:2500:F00E:CE51:5723:F363 ( talk) 19:49, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I think I've corrected everything in the body of the article, but my account isn't confirmed so I can't move the page. My view would be that this article should go to "Sharmeena Begum". "Shamima Begum" should redirect to Amira Abase, Shamima Begum and Kadiza Sultana. I'm about to list this on WP:Requested moves. 2A02:C7D:5E53:2500:F00E:CE51:5723:F363 ( talk) 20:01, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
This article is about Shamina or Sharmeena Begum, who left the UK in December 2014 and (as the article explains) whose mother died. News developments in February 2019 relate to ShamiMa Begum, who left the UK with two others in January 2015 and whose mother is still alive (and being referred to in press coverage.)
It's very unlikely that any news sources in February 2019 discussing a girl from the UK who travelled to join ISIS are about the subject of this article. Please triple check. I am 80% of the way through correcting recent edits that involved this mistake. 2A02:C7D:5E53:2500:F00E:CE51:5723:F363 ( talk) 19:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I m new here so have no idea how to go about untangling this mess, but careful attention to detail and sources show that Shamima who was one of the "Bethnal Green three" and who has now been stripped of her UK citizenship after giving birth in a Syrian refugee camp is simply not the same person as Sharmeema Begum.
"The three girls had joined another London teenager, Sharmeena Begum, in Syria." [1]
Others are editing this page as I type and are in fact replacing Sharmeena's story with Shamima's. The page originally said that the three girls followed Sharmmena Begum - who shared Shamima's surname but was no relation her,after she went to Syria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calatonia ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes - per previous entry on this page. If your account has been confirmed, I think it'd be extremely helpful to move this page to "Sharmeena Begum" to avoid confusion from the similar spelling. I've also requested this page be temporarily semi-protected in the meantime... 2A02:C7D:5E53:2500:F00E:CE51:5723:F363 ( talk) 20:08, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it wasn't me who made the erroneous edit but the person who admitted to making an "oopsie" up-page.... I was trying to find out how to get the page "frozen" so someone more competent could put it back to how it was (because otherwise Sharmeena disappears) and then start a new page for the woman who is in the news at the moment (Shamima) as she probably needs a page in her own right now, rather than just being one of the three girls named. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calatonia ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- or opened back up to editing so i can keep trying!! There seems to be a real confusion between Sharmeema and Shamima (same surname) who both left the UK to go to Syria. This entry started about Sharmeema who was the first to leave the UK but several people keep changing it to Shamima who is currently in the UK press and left for Syria a few months after Sharmeema. I have been trying to change back (as well as removing vandalism) but couldn’t keep up! LouLouDog ( talk) 21:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
@ LouLouDog: I think it's being fixed now. Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Looks like everything has been sorted at last, although this article should probably be locked for a while to stop any other over-enthusiastic would-be updaters messing it all up again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calatonia ( talk • contribs) 21:46, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Justlettersandnumbers performed an article-ectomy with the edit summary "copyvio blanking, foundational copy-paste from http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2994085/She-loved-Rihanna-clothes-make-fell-spell-Islamists-British-schoolgirl-15-fled-join-ISIS.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11472196/Girl-15-fled-to-Islamic-State-after-mother-died-from-cancer.html http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-14/father-of-first-girl-who-fled-to-syria-warned-police-to-watch-three-friends/ etc"
I didn't check to see if their assertion it was a copyvio was meaningful. Rather I did a diff from the article's second revision to the last revision I made. I knew I added brand new copy, and it seemed other contributors had too. So, this version only contains material added since the first edit that JLAN asserted were a copyvio. Geo Swan ( talk) 19:09, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
This article has been revised as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. (See the investigation subpage.) Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2994085/She-loved-Rihanna-clothes-make-fell-spell-Islamists-British-schoolgirl-15-fled-join-ISIS.html, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11472196/Girl-15-fled-to-Islamic-State-after-mother-died-from-cancer.html and http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-14/father-of-first-girl-who-fled-to-syria-warned-police-to-watch-three-friends/. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)
For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and, if allowed under fair use, may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, providing it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore, such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 20:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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all those underneath:
We cannot annihilate the percentage of arbitrariness/
randomness of the human conduct.
Free will is an explosion in the name of the supposedly Universal
personhood; the god/allah.
Free will is a misconception.
Psychologically it's beneficial to believe in free will according to statistical data.
Psychologically it's not beneficial to be physically harmed by terrorists according to statistical data (the majority of the victims feel bad and that is measurable and quantifiable).
— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
2A02:587:4118:DA00:5584:67A3:6753:D00C (
talk) 21:19, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
She got gaslit by a terrorist program designed to harvest brides for the allah partriarchy. Seems like an open and shut case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.98.195.236 ( talk) 15:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
A few minutes ago I moved this page from "Shameena Begum (Shamina Begum)" to "Shamina Begum", thinking that this must be her real name. However, I'm ignorant of the fact that her real name might be "Shamima Begum" ( BBC News, The Guardian). And I can't really fix this myself since Shamima Begum exists and is actually a redirect to this article (hmm...) Since I'm just a passerby (I came across this article because the news is talking about it) I hope someone might be able to verify her real name and to make necessary adjustments. Thank you. Ho Tuan Kiet ( talk) 19:28, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm in the process of correcting this. There are two separate people - this one, Sharmeena Begum, left the UK in December 2014. The news developments in the last week don't refer to her. They refer to Shamima Begum, who left the UK in Jan 2015 and whose mother is still alive (per cited source). She doesn't have her own article but is part of a joint article with the two teenagers who left at the same time as her. I will make adjustments necessary. 2A02:C7D:5E53:2500:F00E:CE51:5723:F363 ( talk) 19:49, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I think I've corrected everything in the body of the article, but my account isn't confirmed so I can't move the page. My view would be that this article should go to "Sharmeena Begum". "Shamima Begum" should redirect to Amira Abase, Shamima Begum and Kadiza Sultana. I'm about to list this on WP:Requested moves. 2A02:C7D:5E53:2500:F00E:CE51:5723:F363 ( talk) 20:01, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
This article is about Shamina or Sharmeena Begum, who left the UK in December 2014 and (as the article explains) whose mother died. News developments in February 2019 relate to ShamiMa Begum, who left the UK with two others in January 2015 and whose mother is still alive (and being referred to in press coverage.)
It's very unlikely that any news sources in February 2019 discussing a girl from the UK who travelled to join ISIS are about the subject of this article. Please triple check. I am 80% of the way through correcting recent edits that involved this mistake. 2A02:C7D:5E53:2500:F00E:CE51:5723:F363 ( talk) 19:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I m new here so have no idea how to go about untangling this mess, but careful attention to detail and sources show that Shamima who was one of the "Bethnal Green three" and who has now been stripped of her UK citizenship after giving birth in a Syrian refugee camp is simply not the same person as Sharmeema Begum.
"The three girls had joined another London teenager, Sharmeena Begum, in Syria." [1]
Others are editing this page as I type and are in fact replacing Sharmeena's story with Shamima's. The page originally said that the three girls followed Sharmmena Begum - who shared Shamima's surname but was no relation her,after she went to Syria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calatonia ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes - per previous entry on this page. If your account has been confirmed, I think it'd be extremely helpful to move this page to "Sharmeena Begum" to avoid confusion from the similar spelling. I've also requested this page be temporarily semi-protected in the meantime... 2A02:C7D:5E53:2500:F00E:CE51:5723:F363 ( talk) 20:08, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it wasn't me who made the erroneous edit but the person who admitted to making an "oopsie" up-page.... I was trying to find out how to get the page "frozen" so someone more competent could put it back to how it was (because otherwise Sharmeena disappears) and then start a new page for the woman who is in the news at the moment (Shamima) as she probably needs a page in her own right now, rather than just being one of the three girls named. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calatonia ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- or opened back up to editing so i can keep trying!! There seems to be a real confusion between Sharmeema and Shamima (same surname) who both left the UK to go to Syria. This entry started about Sharmeema who was the first to leave the UK but several people keep changing it to Shamima who is currently in the UK press and left for Syria a few months after Sharmeema. I have been trying to change back (as well as removing vandalism) but couldn’t keep up! LouLouDog ( talk) 21:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
@ LouLouDog: I think it's being fixed now. Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Looks like everything has been sorted at last, although this article should probably be locked for a while to stop any other over-enthusiastic would-be updaters messing it all up again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calatonia ( talk • contribs) 21:46, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Justlettersandnumbers performed an article-ectomy with the edit summary "copyvio blanking, foundational copy-paste from http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2994085/She-loved-Rihanna-clothes-make-fell-spell-Islamists-British-schoolgirl-15-fled-join-ISIS.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11472196/Girl-15-fled-to-Islamic-State-after-mother-died-from-cancer.html http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-14/father-of-first-girl-who-fled-to-syria-warned-police-to-watch-three-friends/ etc"
I didn't check to see if their assertion it was a copyvio was meaningful. Rather I did a diff from the article's second revision to the last revision I made. I knew I added brand new copy, and it seemed other contributors had too. So, this version only contains material added since the first edit that JLAN asserted were a copyvio. Geo Swan ( talk) 19:09, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
This article has been revised as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. (See the investigation subpage.) Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2994085/She-loved-Rihanna-clothes-make-fell-spell-Islamists-British-schoolgirl-15-fled-join-ISIS.html, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11472196/Girl-15-fled-to-Islamic-State-after-mother-died-from-cancer.html and http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-14/father-of-first-girl-who-fled-to-syria-warned-police-to-watch-three-friends/. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)
For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and, if allowed under fair use, may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, providing it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore, such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 20:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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