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I have done a search on the web for the claim that she was investigated and found nothing. Unless someone objects, I plan to remove the claim. Eiler7 19:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I do not believe this article is written from a neutral POV, and is biased favourably towards Chakrabarti. -- 163.1.38.194 09:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I disagree strongly. This article is neutral.-- 84.9.46.37 16:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the article seems to be biased, and I think its the lyrics of the song that give that impression - perhaps they should be replaced with a link to the appropriate page on a lyrics site? Davfleming 18:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the lyrics and replaced them with a link, I would argue this makes the article conform to neutral POV. Davfleming 19:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I have no idea why my IP address has become linked to this thread, and only looked her up because she is currently,as I type,on Radio 4's "Any Questions". However she appears to have been promoted beyond her capabilities, and has made absolutely no contribution to tonights programme. She dodged the first question saying " I'm not an economist" despite graduating from L.S.E. -- 86.143.109.62 ( talk) 20:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
I suspect editor Nick Cooper has a conflict of interest. On looking at his web pages: if he doesn't know her then I am an Eskimo. 78.151.27.210 ( talk) 13:39, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
It's biased in her favor. 92.12.142.177 ( talk) 23:30, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
I can find no article in March in the Guardian in which Shami Chakrabarti refuses to condemn the terrorist attacks. Can others please check. Nicolharper 14:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Is SC related to Reeta Chakrabarti? 81.107.44.230 ( talk) 09:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Useful and educational as this clarification may be, I found it offensive that somebody thought it would help to put up a "She is not related to Reeta Chakrabarti." on the page (I believe the protocol is to confirm somebody's relation in case it exists, not assume that all non-white persons sharing the same surname are automatically related unless expressly clarified otherwise). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.30.155 ( talk) 00:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Well said, it is ignorant but that's the way some people are. Therefore shouldn't this section be removed? Multiculturalist ( talk) 16:42, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
I am concerned that we should not publish detail which identifies the family of someone whose work and prominence exposes them to personal risk. The lady said on Radio 4 that she has been officially advised to work under her maiden name for her family's safety; and in this case there is negligible public interest in her surname or husband's identity.
(Please would someone Wikilearned explain to me how to find the appropriate policy or procedure to cover this point? If you agree, perhaps you could also expunge the surname from past pages) Jezza ( talk) 11:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Absolute rubbish. If she wants a reclusive life she should withdraw from public life. Anybody in the U.K. who purports to tell us how to live should live by the same rules as our polititians. Who is she in danger from? "Disgusted" from Tunbridge Wells? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.109.62 ( talk) 21:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Apparently from the police in vestigating Damien Green. I expect they get most of their information from wikipedia.-- Streona ( talk) 08:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
It's a question of WikiPolicy, not opinions of the lady. W:BLPNAMES says "Consider whether the inclusion of names of private living individuals who are not directly involved in an article's topic adds significant value. The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons. The names of any immediate, ex, or significant family members or any significant relationship of the subject of a BLP may be part of an article, if reliably sourced, subject to editorial discretion that such information is relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject." There is no significant value in the husband's name, he is a low-profile figure, his name is totally irrelevant to understanding the subject, and so his privacy, let alone safety, should prevail. Jezza ( talk) 23:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
It is a cast iron fact that Chakrabarti took an active role in the British Social Democratic Party. She actually said as much during one of her appearances of the BBC comedy quiz show Have I Got News For You? and in due course I will attempt to locate the precise edition in order to provide a source, although it will not be easy. I and many others - including Shirley Williams, Dr David Owen, Sue Slipman and Daniel Finkelstein - remember her very well as an enthusiastic SDP activist. Why then, on 8 March 2010, did Meeplet choose to delete this fact with the words "deleted because information incorrect"? To deny this aspect of Chakrabarti's political socialisation is to deny a fundamental part of her history and identity. Her early thinking was, in fact, very mainstream SDP - a party which was right wing on economic issues but left wing on social issues. Multiculturalist ( talk) 00:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Shami Chakrabarti has said that she was never a member of the SDP or an SDP activist. Walkwounded ( talk) 13:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
She has said nothing of the sort. Multiculturalist ( talk) 21:52, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I have heard her asked directly at a public meeting (prompted by Guido Fawkes inaccurate post) and she has denied it - surely you have to have some verifiable facts before you make statements about someone? Walkwounded
The fact she was active in the SDP is verifiable - and is properly referenced and sourced. If you're ever at a public meeting with Shirley Williams then ask Shirl - she'll confirm this! The two of them got on like a house on fire. Multiculturalist ( talk) 13:41, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that 'ask Shirl' is how it works - this is starting to come across as something personal and malicious. If the woman herself denies it and it isn't verifiable the same way everything else is, it should stay off. [user: Walkwounded] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Walkwounded ( talk • contribs) 23:53, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Multiculturalist, can I draw your attention to these elements of the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy:
On this basis I shall remove this content you have added until you provide a WP:RS for it, rather than a blog entry as the source. If you persist in restoring it without a WP:RS I will remove it without further comment, and I encourage other editors to do likewise. If this is continued I will ask for admin intervention - can I remind you again of 3 above. Rwendland ( talk) 01:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Another editor has now reinstated a reference to her membership of the SDP, this time with a credible source (not sure how you found that link, Shakehandsman, but well done). It is only a brief reference and, I would argue, a proportionate one. Hopefully, we can all agree that this particular matter is now closed. Multiculturalist ( talk) 09:05, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to get involved in this but the Essex link doesn't seem to mention the SDP? Not sure what's happened here. Aceblaster —Preceding undated comment added 09:53, 27 September 2011 (UTC).
Yes, she knew Zerbanoo. I see another left-winger who cannot bare to accept that his/her hero was once involved in the hated SDP, has decided to re-write history by claiming that Sharmishta was only "briefly" a member. That's a value judgement, so I've added the actual dates she was a member in order that readers can make up their own minds. She was actually a member for nearly one third of the party's existence. Multiculturalist ( talk) 13:20, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
People should be aware of the recent SPI relating to editors of this page. Quite a few recent contributors are now banned and it may well be worth reviewing some of their edits more closely (at the very least some material is unsourced and their additions elsewhere breach copyright). The relevant SPI is here [1]-- Shakehandsman ( talk) 14:14, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
http://www.lse.ac.uk/publicEvents/events/2014/06/20140603t1830vSZT.aspx). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.48.227 ( talk) 03:14, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
More likely that the LSE have severed ties with her as she brings into disrepute anything with which she is associated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.110.231 ( talk) 17:24, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
There are two songs written about Shami Chakrabarti. Given that she is a lawyer and human rights advocate, not a model or actress, I find this kind of strange and wonder whether it should be mentioned on the page? In particular, the fact that one of the songwriters is Jonathan King, now in prison for child sex abuse, makes this even more interesting. 105.14.12.144 ( talk) 15:34, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
What place does the activities of liberty have in the biography of someone that wasn't around at that time? I'm struggling to see the relevance and having that title is pretty much a smear. Views please. -- ℕ ℱ 15:08, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
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Both I and Jilljack1952 think that the son going to Dulwich should be in the article, it has been noted here, here, here, and here. However Nick Cooper and Apuldram disagree. Absolutelypuremilk ( talk) 19:23, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
It should be kept in. Wythy ( talk) 17:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC) What's with the pussyfooting? I too am of South East Asian blood. Is that it? If so, no big deal. Get over it. Wythy ( talk) 17:31, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
My original objection was generated by the use of the word hypocrisy, which was an editor's personal opinion. The version by Absolutelypuremilk is neutral, and allows readers to form their own view. I like it, but, to protect the boy's privacy, I would prefer that the name of the school is replaced by an independent school (or by public school or private school). I don't see the relevance of naming the school. The statement would then become
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Current photo is old and a bit strange, not a portrait style headshot as per wikipedia biography guidelines. Anyone got a better , more recent photo? Govindaharihari ( talk) 11:45, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
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So I believe we came to the view that none of the current low-quality Chakrabarti images we have should be used, and we will simply await a good quality image becoming available. I'll do this on the article page. Rwendland ( talk) 15:40, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
There are editors who probably have a conflict of interest. Please investigate. In particular Nick Cooper. 78.151.27.210 ( talk) 13:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
This is relevant. She defends many Muslims. If possible put it in the article. Jilljack1952 ( talk) 14:56, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Her photograph is captioned "The Rt Hon SC" but this descriptions is only available to Privy Councillors. I can't find any trace of her appointment. She is swollen headed enough already — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.98.77 ( talk) 15:55, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
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I have done a search on the web for the claim that she was investigated and found nothing. Unless someone objects, I plan to remove the claim. Eiler7 19:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I do not believe this article is written from a neutral POV, and is biased favourably towards Chakrabarti. -- 163.1.38.194 09:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I disagree strongly. This article is neutral.-- 84.9.46.37 16:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the article seems to be biased, and I think its the lyrics of the song that give that impression - perhaps they should be replaced with a link to the appropriate page on a lyrics site? Davfleming 18:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the lyrics and replaced them with a link, I would argue this makes the article conform to neutral POV. Davfleming 19:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I have no idea why my IP address has become linked to this thread, and only looked her up because she is currently,as I type,on Radio 4's "Any Questions". However she appears to have been promoted beyond her capabilities, and has made absolutely no contribution to tonights programme. She dodged the first question saying " I'm not an economist" despite graduating from L.S.E. -- 86.143.109.62 ( talk) 20:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
I suspect editor Nick Cooper has a conflict of interest. On looking at his web pages: if he doesn't know her then I am an Eskimo. 78.151.27.210 ( talk) 13:39, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
It's biased in her favor. 92.12.142.177 ( talk) 23:30, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
I can find no article in March in the Guardian in which Shami Chakrabarti refuses to condemn the terrorist attacks. Can others please check. Nicolharper 14:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Is SC related to Reeta Chakrabarti? 81.107.44.230 ( talk) 09:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Useful and educational as this clarification may be, I found it offensive that somebody thought it would help to put up a "She is not related to Reeta Chakrabarti." on the page (I believe the protocol is to confirm somebody's relation in case it exists, not assume that all non-white persons sharing the same surname are automatically related unless expressly clarified otherwise). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.30.155 ( talk) 00:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Well said, it is ignorant but that's the way some people are. Therefore shouldn't this section be removed? Multiculturalist ( talk) 16:42, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
I am concerned that we should not publish detail which identifies the family of someone whose work and prominence exposes them to personal risk. The lady said on Radio 4 that she has been officially advised to work under her maiden name for her family's safety; and in this case there is negligible public interest in her surname or husband's identity.
(Please would someone Wikilearned explain to me how to find the appropriate policy or procedure to cover this point? If you agree, perhaps you could also expunge the surname from past pages) Jezza ( talk) 11:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Absolute rubbish. If she wants a reclusive life she should withdraw from public life. Anybody in the U.K. who purports to tell us how to live should live by the same rules as our polititians. Who is she in danger from? "Disgusted" from Tunbridge Wells? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.109.62 ( talk) 21:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Apparently from the police in vestigating Damien Green. I expect they get most of their information from wikipedia.-- Streona ( talk) 08:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
It's a question of WikiPolicy, not opinions of the lady. W:BLPNAMES says "Consider whether the inclusion of names of private living individuals who are not directly involved in an article's topic adds significant value. The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons. The names of any immediate, ex, or significant family members or any significant relationship of the subject of a BLP may be part of an article, if reliably sourced, subject to editorial discretion that such information is relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject." There is no significant value in the husband's name, he is a low-profile figure, his name is totally irrelevant to understanding the subject, and so his privacy, let alone safety, should prevail. Jezza ( talk) 23:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
It is a cast iron fact that Chakrabarti took an active role in the British Social Democratic Party. She actually said as much during one of her appearances of the BBC comedy quiz show Have I Got News For You? and in due course I will attempt to locate the precise edition in order to provide a source, although it will not be easy. I and many others - including Shirley Williams, Dr David Owen, Sue Slipman and Daniel Finkelstein - remember her very well as an enthusiastic SDP activist. Why then, on 8 March 2010, did Meeplet choose to delete this fact with the words "deleted because information incorrect"? To deny this aspect of Chakrabarti's political socialisation is to deny a fundamental part of her history and identity. Her early thinking was, in fact, very mainstream SDP - a party which was right wing on economic issues but left wing on social issues. Multiculturalist ( talk) 00:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Shami Chakrabarti has said that she was never a member of the SDP or an SDP activist. Walkwounded ( talk) 13:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
She has said nothing of the sort. Multiculturalist ( talk) 21:52, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I have heard her asked directly at a public meeting (prompted by Guido Fawkes inaccurate post) and she has denied it - surely you have to have some verifiable facts before you make statements about someone? Walkwounded
The fact she was active in the SDP is verifiable - and is properly referenced and sourced. If you're ever at a public meeting with Shirley Williams then ask Shirl - she'll confirm this! The two of them got on like a house on fire. Multiculturalist ( talk) 13:41, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that 'ask Shirl' is how it works - this is starting to come across as something personal and malicious. If the woman herself denies it and it isn't verifiable the same way everything else is, it should stay off. [user: Walkwounded] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Walkwounded ( talk • contribs) 23:53, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Multiculturalist, can I draw your attention to these elements of the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy:
On this basis I shall remove this content you have added until you provide a WP:RS for it, rather than a blog entry as the source. If you persist in restoring it without a WP:RS I will remove it without further comment, and I encourage other editors to do likewise. If this is continued I will ask for admin intervention - can I remind you again of 3 above. Rwendland ( talk) 01:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Another editor has now reinstated a reference to her membership of the SDP, this time with a credible source (not sure how you found that link, Shakehandsman, but well done). It is only a brief reference and, I would argue, a proportionate one. Hopefully, we can all agree that this particular matter is now closed. Multiculturalist ( talk) 09:05, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to get involved in this but the Essex link doesn't seem to mention the SDP? Not sure what's happened here. Aceblaster —Preceding undated comment added 09:53, 27 September 2011 (UTC).
Yes, she knew Zerbanoo. I see another left-winger who cannot bare to accept that his/her hero was once involved in the hated SDP, has decided to re-write history by claiming that Sharmishta was only "briefly" a member. That's a value judgement, so I've added the actual dates she was a member in order that readers can make up their own minds. She was actually a member for nearly one third of the party's existence. Multiculturalist ( talk) 13:20, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
People should be aware of the recent SPI relating to editors of this page. Quite a few recent contributors are now banned and it may well be worth reviewing some of their edits more closely (at the very least some material is unsourced and their additions elsewhere breach copyright). The relevant SPI is here [1]-- Shakehandsman ( talk) 14:14, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
http://www.lse.ac.uk/publicEvents/events/2014/06/20140603t1830vSZT.aspx). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.48.227 ( talk) 03:14, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
More likely that the LSE have severed ties with her as she brings into disrepute anything with which she is associated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.110.231 ( talk) 17:24, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
There are two songs written about Shami Chakrabarti. Given that she is a lawyer and human rights advocate, not a model or actress, I find this kind of strange and wonder whether it should be mentioned on the page? In particular, the fact that one of the songwriters is Jonathan King, now in prison for child sex abuse, makes this even more interesting. 105.14.12.144 ( talk) 15:34, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
What place does the activities of liberty have in the biography of someone that wasn't around at that time? I'm struggling to see the relevance and having that title is pretty much a smear. Views please. -- ℕ ℱ 15:08, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
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Both I and Jilljack1952 think that the son going to Dulwich should be in the article, it has been noted here, here, here, and here. However Nick Cooper and Apuldram disagree. Absolutelypuremilk ( talk) 19:23, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
It should be kept in. Wythy ( talk) 17:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC) What's with the pussyfooting? I too am of South East Asian blood. Is that it? If so, no big deal. Get over it. Wythy ( talk) 17:31, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
My original objection was generated by the use of the word hypocrisy, which was an editor's personal opinion. The version by Absolutelypuremilk is neutral, and allows readers to form their own view. I like it, but, to protect the boy's privacy, I would prefer that the name of the school is replaced by an independent school (or by public school or private school). I don't see the relevance of naming the school. The statement would then become
Chakrabati was married to Martyn Hopper, a litigation lawyer, from 1995 to 2014 and their son attends an independent school.
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Current photo is old and a bit strange, not a portrait style headshot as per wikipedia biography guidelines. Anyone got a better , more recent photo? Govindaharihari ( talk) 11:45, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
In a discussion on my Talk page Govindaharihari and I came to the conclusion that it was best to follow the Manual of Style MOS:LEADIMAGE advice:
and
So I believe we came to the view that none of the current low-quality Chakrabarti images we have should be used, and we will simply await a good quality image becoming available. I'll do this on the article page. Rwendland ( talk) 15:40, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
There are editors who probably have a conflict of interest. Please investigate. In particular Nick Cooper. 78.151.27.210 ( talk) 13:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
This is relevant. She defends many Muslims. If possible put it in the article. Jilljack1952 ( talk) 14:56, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Her photograph is captioned "The Rt Hon SC" but this descriptions is only available to Privy Councillors. I can't find any trace of her appointment. She is swollen headed enough already — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.98.77 ( talk) 15:55, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
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I have restored the format of the infobox to the format used in Wikipedia for other members of the House of Lords who have or have had important posts, for example:
Natalie Evans,
Sayeeda Warsi,
Joyce Anelay,
Michael Heseltine and many others.
In paricular, it is essential to restore the honorific prefix The Right Honourable (to omit that is rude) and the word The before the title Baroness. I have also corrected the title of Lord Phillips.
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Please do come along and discuss at: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom#Life peerages & infoboxes DBD 18:51, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
BLP articles are supposed to be edited conservatively. I think it's questionable why a section which looks designed to air the opinions of two former army officers [2] [3] with rather pronounced views and not spotless reputations should be included, particularly in a way which looks, to me at least, unbalanced. I recommend deletion of the section. ← ZScarpia 14:58, 2 November 2022 (UTC)