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I made an email request to BAFTA of this content :
I am looking for information on BAFTA Award for Sergei Parajanov’s (a Soviet film director) “Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors”, the work he did in 1964. I would be grateful if you could provide information on what exactly the award was for, what nomination and which year or direct me to the web-source which has this information
Here is the reply I got:
Thank you for your enquiry. Regretfully, having checked through the Awards listings ,the film or director did not win a British Academy Award. Sorry I cannot be of more help to you. Regards
Doreen Dean
Steelmate ( talk) 14:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
It is usual to refer to films made in USSR as Soviet films: Russian Mirror (film) is labelled as "Soviet film", as well as Come and See or Lieutenant Kijé (film) from Belarus, Armenian Anahit (1947 film) etc., etc. Even other films from Ukrainian SSR are labelled as Soviet films, such as Aerograd or Farewell, America. Why this exception? StjepanHR ( talk) 17:32, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
I have asked for the third opinon. Here are some further arguments: I have also checked seven other random famous films from defunct states aside from the Soviet Union and they all included the original country:
The only exception from this rule that I could find are the films from United Arab Republic (1958-1961 union of Egypt and Syria), which all have country of origin listed as "Egypt", probably due to fact that Syria had little to none national cinema at the time. Also, a huge majority of films listed in Category:Austro-Hungarian films have the country as Austria-Hungary. Same with Category:Films of the Russian Empire.
Additionally, here are the sources listing the country of origin as the Soviet Union:
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In my view, "country" in this context denotes the independent sovereign state from which the film originated, which in this case was the USSR. By no means do I want to downplay the distinctness of Ukrainian culture or identity, but the Ukrainian SSR was not (and to my knowledge, made no claim to be) a country that was independent of the Soviet Union in 1965. I also don't think it would be factually correct to list the Latvian SSR as the country for a film made in Riga or the Russian SSR for a film made in Leningrad. I think it's appropriate to emphasize the Ukrainian nature of the film in the article text, and the article does that well. I can even see the case for removing "Soviet-era" from the lede entirely. But the inescapable fact is that UkrSSR was not a country, so it's incorrect to enter it in the "Country" field of the infobox. Having anything other than USSR there (without a reliable source specifically listing an alternate country) would violate WP:V, WP:NOR and WP:NPOV. Wburrow ( talk) 18:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC) |
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I made an email request to BAFTA of this content :
I am looking for information on BAFTA Award for Sergei Parajanov’s (a Soviet film director) “Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors”, the work he did in 1964. I would be grateful if you could provide information on what exactly the award was for, what nomination and which year or direct me to the web-source which has this information
Here is the reply I got:
Thank you for your enquiry. Regretfully, having checked through the Awards listings ,the film or director did not win a British Academy Award. Sorry I cannot be of more help to you. Regards
Doreen Dean
Steelmate ( talk) 14:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
It is usual to refer to films made in USSR as Soviet films: Russian Mirror (film) is labelled as "Soviet film", as well as Come and See or Lieutenant Kijé (film) from Belarus, Armenian Anahit (1947 film) etc., etc. Even other films from Ukrainian SSR are labelled as Soviet films, such as Aerograd or Farewell, America. Why this exception? StjepanHR ( talk) 17:32, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
I have asked for the third opinon. Here are some further arguments: I have also checked seven other random famous films from defunct states aside from the Soviet Union and they all included the original country:
The only exception from this rule that I could find are the films from United Arab Republic (1958-1961 union of Egypt and Syria), which all have country of origin listed as "Egypt", probably due to fact that Syria had little to none national cinema at the time. Also, a huge majority of films listed in Category:Austro-Hungarian films have the country as Austria-Hungary. Same with Category:Films of the Russian Empire.
Additionally, here are the sources listing the country of origin as the Soviet Union:
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In my view, "country" in this context denotes the independent sovereign state from which the film originated, which in this case was the USSR. By no means do I want to downplay the distinctness of Ukrainian culture or identity, but the Ukrainian SSR was not (and to my knowledge, made no claim to be) a country that was independent of the Soviet Union in 1965. I also don't think it would be factually correct to list the Latvian SSR as the country for a film made in Riga or the Russian SSR for a film made in Leningrad. I think it's appropriate to emphasize the Ukrainian nature of the film in the article text, and the article does that well. I can even see the case for removing "Soviet-era" from the lede entirely. But the inescapable fact is that UkrSSR was not a country, so it's incorrect to enter it in the "Country" field of the infobox. Having anything other than USSR there (without a reliable source specifically listing an alternate country) would violate WP:V, WP:NOR and WP:NPOV. Wburrow ( talk) 18:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC) |