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Please delete this article, there is not a shred of evidence to support the claims of these opportunist "scholars". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.192.111 ( talk) 03:56, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Agreed:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.195.111.63 ( talk) 19:12, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
This is by nature an article of speculation, and everything in it is properly sourced. The bitter attitudes are troubling indicators of a lack of impartiality on the part of their protesters. 2601:1C2:200:FC0:F036:1FC8:50EC:E7BE ( talk) 04:48, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
I agree there's no reliable proof that he was gay and most of this is just pulling at strings. Zyxrq ( talk) 23:57, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
If discussing sexuality of celebrities is worthy for a wikipedia entry it should be at least a complete discussion. There is strong evidence for Lincolns straight sexuality among which is his well documented severe depression after he initially broke off with Mary Todd, strongly indicating he had deep romantic feelings for her. This article thus is one sided and at the very least needs a serious revision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eizieizz ( talk • contribs) 16:00, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
He was straight. If Wikipedia had even as much integrity as Lincoln had in his pinky toe this article would be deleted and salted immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.192.111 ( talk) 03:43, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
This Wikipedia page is an absolute farce. FrostingFrosting ( talk) 20:36, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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This article really seems to be working from almost nothing that’s not debunked within it. Is this claim really notable enough to spend a whole article saying there’s essentially no evidence? DemonDays64 ( talk) 06:31, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
You'll have to point to the passages that come to forthright conclusions of "debunking." It is mostly an article of quoting the speculations of various scholars and their own opinions. That there are so many opinions on the topic seems to prove its worth of discussion, and the article doesn't even make much mention of the content of Lincoln and Speed's correspondence. Someone of Lincoln's esteem writing poetry that reflects on homosexuality without malice seems itself quite noteworthy for the era. Yoyofsho16 ( talk) 04:54, 6 July 2021 (UTC) How so? Lincoln rather famously advocated "malice towards none."
Googleguy007, the mainstream view is against the idea that Lincoln was anything other than heterosexual. Giving equal validity to the mainstream view and to the minority view in the lead creates a false balance. Also, please follow the WP:BRD cycle. Antiok 1pie ( talk) 21:54, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
The intro contains a very misleading paragraph that reads as follows:
Mainstream historians generally reject theories of Lincoln's homosexuality, noting that the historical context explains away the supposed evidence, that he had romantic ties with women, and that he had four children in an enduring marriage to a woman.
The main problems with the paragraph is that it assumes Lincoln was either Strickland gay/homosexual or straight and ignores the possibility hew was bisexual, which is the more common speculation about Lincoln seen these days anyways. If he was bisexual then he could have had romances, sex, and children with woman while still enjoying the company of men too, though maybe not at the same time. Second, it assumes that a gay man can’t have relation and children with a woman which has been disproven by the existence of so-called Lavender marriages, where gay men and women marry the opposite sex and even sometimes have children together in order cover up their sexuality. If Lincoln was either bisexual or in a Lavender marriage then the arguments by these mainstream historian against the “Lincoln was gay” still doesn’t prove Lincoln was 100% straight. As such, I bee bold and add a disclaimer to the section, regarding bisexuality possibility. - Notcharliechaplin ( talk) 17:28, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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Please delete this article, there is not a shred of evidence to support the claims of these opportunist "scholars". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.192.111 ( talk) 03:56, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Agreed:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.195.111.63 ( talk) 19:12, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
This is by nature an article of speculation, and everything in it is properly sourced. The bitter attitudes are troubling indicators of a lack of impartiality on the part of their protesters. 2601:1C2:200:FC0:F036:1FC8:50EC:E7BE ( talk) 04:48, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
I agree there's no reliable proof that he was gay and most of this is just pulling at strings. Zyxrq ( talk) 23:57, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
If discussing sexuality of celebrities is worthy for a wikipedia entry it should be at least a complete discussion. There is strong evidence for Lincolns straight sexuality among which is his well documented severe depression after he initially broke off with Mary Todd, strongly indicating he had deep romantic feelings for her. This article thus is one sided and at the very least needs a serious revision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eizieizz ( talk • contribs) 16:00, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
He was straight. If Wikipedia had even as much integrity as Lincoln had in his pinky toe this article would be deleted and salted immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.192.111 ( talk) 03:43, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
This Wikipedia page is an absolute farce. FrostingFrosting ( talk) 20:36, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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This article really seems to be working from almost nothing that’s not debunked within it. Is this claim really notable enough to spend a whole article saying there’s essentially no evidence? DemonDays64 ( talk) 06:31, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
You'll have to point to the passages that come to forthright conclusions of "debunking." It is mostly an article of quoting the speculations of various scholars and their own opinions. That there are so many opinions on the topic seems to prove its worth of discussion, and the article doesn't even make much mention of the content of Lincoln and Speed's correspondence. Someone of Lincoln's esteem writing poetry that reflects on homosexuality without malice seems itself quite noteworthy for the era. Yoyofsho16 ( talk) 04:54, 6 July 2021 (UTC) How so? Lincoln rather famously advocated "malice towards none."
Googleguy007, the mainstream view is against the idea that Lincoln was anything other than heterosexual. Giving equal validity to the mainstream view and to the minority view in the lead creates a false balance. Also, please follow the WP:BRD cycle. Antiok 1pie ( talk) 21:54, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
The intro contains a very misleading paragraph that reads as follows:
Mainstream historians generally reject theories of Lincoln's homosexuality, noting that the historical context explains away the supposed evidence, that he had romantic ties with women, and that he had four children in an enduring marriage to a woman.
The main problems with the paragraph is that it assumes Lincoln was either Strickland gay/homosexual or straight and ignores the possibility hew was bisexual, which is the more common speculation about Lincoln seen these days anyways. If he was bisexual then he could have had romances, sex, and children with woman while still enjoying the company of men too, though maybe not at the same time. Second, it assumes that a gay man can’t have relation and children with a woman which has been disproven by the existence of so-called Lavender marriages, where gay men and women marry the opposite sex and even sometimes have children together in order cover up their sexuality. If Lincoln was either bisexual or in a Lavender marriage then the arguments by these mainstream historian against the “Lincoln was gay” still doesn’t prove Lincoln was 100% straight. As such, I bee bold and add a disclaimer to the section, regarding bisexuality possibility. - Notcharliechaplin ( talk) 17:28, 12 February 2024 (UTC)