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Which ancient chinese texts? During which eras of footbinding? Which modern texts refer to this?
Which cultures? When?
THAT IS GROSS!
Someone has a sick mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sj ( talk • contribs) on October 22, 2004.
I am a victim of sex abuse and in 2004 I made the biggest leap in my life and wrote a reasonably detailed article on what was going through my mind and how it affected me, this could be used in the article, or just as a reference somewhere, I am new to editing wikipedia, so at the moment I edit nothing more then the talk pages. The article is here: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/13023005/
The article apparently has helped a few new-found-friends who have suffered abuse, even completly different abuse. I think it is best being under External Links personally, should I put it there? -- Kintaro 13:27, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I find it very disappointing that abusers in this article are invariably refered to as "he" and that female offenders aren't even mentioned.
Whether you are of the school of thought that it's not wrong for women in their 30s and 40s to have sex with 12 year old boys (the boys are "lucky" according to some), that's not the legal defintion (despite many female pedophiles and child sexual abusers getting away with it).
What does it say when a man who abuses a boy is a pedophile and child sexual abuser, but a grown woman who abuses a boy is not?
Despite the common disbeliefs, many young girls who are abused by pedophiles don't think it's wrong until they are TOLD it is wrong. This is much the same for a boy who claims he wasn't abused because he liked it. Many accept this. But if a young girl says she wasn't abused, this is (and rightly so) unacceptable. She is not in the position to say whether she was abused. It should be no different for boys.
This double standard is sexist and dangerous.
The generalisations under the heading of Spousal sexual abuse are not supported by any public record or statistic. As a result, the statements do not conform with the Wikipedia Neutral Point of View Policy. Recommend deletion. DB 12:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree, it does seem very biased. What made me first check the talk page to see if anything had been said about that, so.... deletion. Mathmo 11:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
This page was just edited to include incest as a non-consensual, forced behaivor. While I agree that incest deserves to be classified as a form of sexual abuse, it is often consensual and so I would argue that it belongs in its own category\bullet point.
The article should mention the conflict of legal age of consent with reality, that some who are within the legal age of consent may actually be more sexually and psychologically mature than some who are older than the age of consent, and as a result a person who is older than the age of consent may be sexually abused (a.k.a taken advantage of) by another adult, yet not raped because she/he was not emotionally mature enough to say no, yet the person who performed the abuse, who took advantage of another person's weakness for their own pleasure, will get away with it. Often the person is fully aware of the other party's immaturity and insecurity and that he/she is taking advantage of someone, and uses the same techniques that other abusers use on children. It creates an unfortunate situation where a person may be sexually abused yet feel powerless and guilty about it, and where the abuser gets away with it. It highlights the ineffecacy of America's sexual education programs in teaching young people to assert their sexual rights and also the flaws of age of consent laws which don't take into consideration a person's psychological age. There has been some discussion about it, in Sweden for example, but it was argued that it would be too difficult to prove when it happens, even more difficult than rape, to prove that they took advantage, and therefore is probably not realistic to prosecute them, or that there would be a risk of innocent people being prosecuted. Nevertheless it is still a problem that should be mentioned on here as it relates to abuse, because people are abused in this way yet often feel that they themselves have done something wrong, and should be encouraged to get counseling and realize that they were in fact abused. Akseli 12:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
The "Minor sexual abuse" section was inaccurate in several ways. It is inaccurate to say that all sexual activities with minors is sexual abuse under all state's laws. The key is whether the minor in question is Under the age of consent. Since some states set the age of consent at 16, then it is possible for a minor of 16 or 17 in those states to legally consent to sexual activities with an adult. Another problem in the section was the claim that all sexually activities involving minors are illegal since masturbation, generally considered a sexual activity, is not so far as I know illegal under any state or federal laws. Also, I corrected the fact that the section failed to mention the distinction often made between adult/preteen sexual activities (child sexual abuse) and adult/teen sexual activities (statutory rape) or that their exists a marital exemption in some states to sexual abuse laws. -- Cab88 23:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
"Another exemption under sexual abuse laws states that exists in some states applies to adults legally married to minors. Thus, said adults can legally have sexual relations with their spouses without violating the law"
wouldn't they have already violated the law by marrying a minor? I don't understand this sentence.. -- Froth 03:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
As a simple example of existence, in the state of New Mexico, marriage to a minor is permitted with parental consent [3] so long as the child is over the age of 16 [4], and no other violations of law would occur in the union (e.g. incest). By expectations of the privledge of marriage, the adult spouse would not be consider to be raping their minor spouse as long as the act was consentual.
In support of both the "Romeo Exclusion" being an exclusion to statutory rape, within the State of New Mexico, [5] there is at least a 4 year difference allowed such as to ensure that a consentual act of sex could occur spontaneously simply because one partner comes of legal age. -- Puellanivis 22:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Template:Abuse has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Joie de Vivre 15:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Keep. There is nothing wrong with having this in an encyclopedia, and in fact, it is a very real and disturbing fact of life. Just because someone may be offended, or have been victimized in relation to the topic at hand, that does not mean it should be removed. Mzanime 02:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
The definition now reads:
But when you look at the definition of incest it does not include the use of force. Here in Germany we have a brother and sister who are parents of common children before the Supreme Court fighting for their right to consensual incest. How can we fix this paragraph? It isn't right the other way around, either: "Sexual abuse between family members is called incest" would be equally wrong since incest requires some sort of intercourse not just verbal molestation. Did Renvoizé coin the term "bad touch" for incest or for sexual abuse or their common denominator? Why is it a euphemism? Sounds pretty bad to me: Roman Czyborra 09:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
What's the difference between rape and molestation? TwistedRed ( talk) 03:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Where are all the pictures? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.234.232.90 ( talk) 15:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Currently the section regarding sexual abuse of children/minors is larger than the introductory paragraph explaining the true meaning of the term. Not only that, but it's supposed to be a mere summary of a different article being redirected to. I think either this needs to be cut down a little bit or else we need to build this article bigger so that it's not overpowred by this subsection. Tyciol ( talk) 07:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
where are the pics —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.5.216.204 ( talk) 16:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Would a section for occupational/academic sexual misconduct be appropriate? I am referring to for instance a college professor using their position to gain sexual favors from students, or a boss doing the same with employees. Legitimus ( talk) 18:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
She was killed by a hitman named Jordan Mays —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.39.19.61 ( talk) 14:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Did you, as a child have parents who insisted you kiss/hug them, or that you kiss/hug them or your grandparents? And when you protested you were told that "It's no big deal." or "you're overeacting." Would this be a form of sexual abuse? This happened to me The snare ( talk) 20:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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The article added here as evidence to the sexual abuse by the Muslim clerics in Pakistan is baseless and quoting a Telegraph article which does not even exist and I think it was added just to increase the list or may be to include another major religion or even may be putting all religions under the same roof. Well, whatever the case is the reference is unauthentic itself and from a website explicitly targeting other faiths so how can it complement another article. There has never been cases reported in Pakistan, I have lived there for 21 years, of such nature and even if it would have happened ten t would have been an act of an individual not instigated by the power relinquished by the Islamic rules and regulations, it is not like it is practiced widely or even more than may be once a million years. I appeal here that Islam should be removed from this list immediately and if the case is still to be remained a better reference should be acquired. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Otherangle ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
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For example, incest is passed off as sexual abuse when on it on, it may or may not be consensual. As far as I'm concerned, sexual abuse is involuntary, and is no excuse for excessive morality. -- 68.7.110.80 ( talk) 01:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Footnote #4I'm not sure where do i post this. I was trying to find for a complaint button without success, thus I choose to write it here, hoping someone would take this into concern. The footnote # 4 on this article leads to a very disturbing website that promotes hatred againts Islam. Also, the website contains list of other blogs which are more extreme than the website itself. I have nothing againts the particular article that was meant to be inserted in the footnote though, but i do see alot of biased and hate comments posted below the article in that website,for example a comment suggesting an ethnic cleansing of Muslims. Links attached to the websites suggest these kind of page names :Burning the Koran for freedom, Creeping Sharia,Islamo nazism, Stop Islamisation of Europe, Why Islam is not a religion of peace, etc. I agree you can't stop people from spreading lies, and you can't stop them from reading lies too. But being an unbiased and neutral org Wikipedia is itself, it should not the least participate in linking people into hate promoting websites like these.Articles in Wikipedia should refer to reliable sources as it says in the guidelines for editors but what I see here, it's exposing the readers to a source which contains more personal opinions than generally accepted knowledge. I strongly suggest Christians and people from other religions to check on the rest of the footnotes too so they can voice out if they link to misleading websites as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryazadeh ( talk • contribs) 20:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Removal of victims advocacy linkI removed the Canadian sexual abuse victim's advocacy link, because I believe that link is in clear violation of WP:EL. The nutshell summary of WP:EL reads, "External links in an article can be helpful to the reader, but they should be kept minimal, meritable, and directly relevant to the article." Per this, the standard for inclusion on external links is quite high. Take a look at WP:ELYES and WP:ELMAYBE. This link definitely doesn't meet any of the WP:ELYES guidelines. There is no indication on that site that it is a particularly reliable source; rather, per it's About page, "SexAssault.ca is a Canadian victims advocacy website founded by Philanthropist Mark Zinck." There is no info provided to give any reason to believe that the site creators have any particular knowledge or expertise in the field, or that the information is in any way reliable. As such, I don't believe it is appropriate to include that link. Qwyrxian ( talk) 07:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC) Picture of sexually abused childI just joined Wikipedia so I don't have the authority to make changes to this topic yet, but perhaps I can persuade someone else to? I think the picture of the sexually abused child should be removed because: 1. The child has not provided permission for his/her picture to be used on Wikipedia. 2. The picture is exploitative of the child and should have never been taken or published in the first place. Just because the child is anonymous and the individual is likely no longer alive today doesn't mean it's ok to use his/her photo. Imagine if we posted a picture of a child who was sexually abused last year? Laws would prevent this. 3. The picture serves absolutely no purpose in enhancing the information about the topic except to affect the reader's emotions. Surely we can feel emotional about the horrors of child sexual abuse without looking at a photo. 4. The picture also serves to perpetuate harmful stereotypes that "this is what an abused child looks like"- listless and battered. The face of child sexual abuse is not obvious and it is diverse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joy3482 ( talk • contribs) 18:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Is this really needed?"Bad Touch" redirects here. For the song, see The Bad Touch.- I've heard young children use that terminology. I've heard Adults use that terminology to young children.It just seems rather mocking to have it here. Is there an actual need for it? I just have the mental picture of a bloodhound gang fan having a herp derp moment upon finding this page as opposed to the opposite. 24.115.19.178 ( talk) 05:12, 24 January 2012 (UTC) So is the article saying all parents are sexual abusers? It certainly implies to state that. Bulletpoint lacks sufficient detail."Saying sexually suggestive statements towards a child (child molestation)." I'm sorry is this saying that saying sexually suggestive statements to , towards, or at a child is Child molestation? I mean if so wouldn't the Character that Julia Roberts plays in the Stepmom be committing Child molestation while talking to her future stepdaughter. Roberts tells her future stepdaughter to insult a boy at school who previously humiliated her, telling him that she doesn't waste her time with "losers who don't even know what snowblowing is." That's just a rather tame and innocent example. further more and honestly as written it seems more like sexual harassment tan anything else as it is written. 24.115.19.178 ( talk) 05:23, 24 January 2012 (UTC) Edit request on 1 June 2012
"ISLAM (CITATION NEEDED)" SHOULD BE DELETED THERE IS NO PROOF OF THIS. Ismi2u ( talk) 06:09, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Small issue with child sexual abuse sectionI have a small issue with the statement that "child sexual abuse also occurs when an adult indecently exposes their genitalia to a child,...". Because the definition indecent exposure can cover just about any form of public nudity in some places, this statement is way too broad. In the U.S. and in many other countries it is not legally child sexual abuse to expose your genitals to a child in the context of say nudist activities, a nude protest march, mom or dad being nude around their kids in the privacy of their own home, etc. Now if you intentionally expose yourself for the specific purpose show your genitals to a child then that can considered sexual abuse but merely being nude around a child is not legally sexual abuse (please correct me if anyone aware of any state cases that contradict that statement). I'm not aware of any credible expert on the issue of child sexual abuse who argues that child being exposed to the genitals of an adult is automatically sexual abuse in and of itself. yes, some people do argue that taking a child to nudist resort or beach or a parent being naked around their child is sexual abuse in and of itself but they represent a minority. I'm not sure how best to correct this but I do feel it should be reworded to be clear that merely being nude around a child is not sexual abuse in and of itself. -- Cab88 ( talk) 09:09, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
There is a dispute [6] on Boy Scouts of America about the inclusion of material about sexual abuse. I'm hoping the editors here would be familiar with the subject and be able to help us settle the dispute. Still-24-45-42-125 ( talk) 05:42, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't seem that you understand what escalation is. Regardless, an RfC would be fine, since it's bringing in more editors. We could try DRN, but it's basically worthless. Unless we luck out and get one of the few volunteers who goes beyond the limits of the process, they'll just count heads and pretend that a consensus is a vote. Fortunately, a DRN is not binding, so I would not be bound by it.
This talk page is intended to discuss the sexual abuse article and to bring up peripheral matters, such as what to do about sexual abuse content in other articles, with Boy Scouts of America being a good example. Still-24-45-42-125 ( talk) 21:08, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 11 September 2012
I think that people need to know facts about stuff they don't feel comfortable enough to talk about. That's why people come to this website to add stuff they know so other people can learn knew things. Please change this page so it is more discriptive
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Can someone add a hat note to indicate that Bad Touch redicts here, for the song see The Bad Touch? Thanks. I forgot my password. 72.95.180.63 ( talk) 03:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Edit request on 24 July 2013
"Leave me alone you dirty cuckold"Does this image really help the article? It's a rather realistic drawing of a child being molested, and might be rather triggering for some. This is real armour ( talk) 04:35, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2016
Please add " 1in6, based in the U.S., is one of the leading organizations dedicated to helping men who have had unwanted or abusive sexual experiences. The non-profit provides information & resources related to the issue, specifically for male survivors and those who care about them. The organization is named after the statistic, which indicates the percentage of men in the United States who have experienced some form of sexual abuse before age 18. To address the growing need for support groups dedicated to male survivors, 1in6 & RAINN jointly created a weekly online peer support group, facilitated by a professional counselor. It's a chat-based resource available to male survivors all over the world." because 1) male survivors need to know where they can find support, 2) the statistic (most well-researched) needs to be discussed as a means of creating awareness & fighting through the isolation and shame often associated with this issue, and 3) 1in6 is a leading organization, backed by decades of research and knowledge from top-tier clinical psychologists. Thank you. Andrewplangdon ( talk) 00:30, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Latest additionsProxima Centauri, regarding this, this and this, the solution is not to re-add the material. Yes, I see that you changed it after re-adding it, but the text is still problematic. For one, we should not be directly talking to our readers, and/or giving them medical advice. See WP:Medical disclaimer and WP:MEDMOS. Two, big blockquotes can be a WP:COPYVIO concern. And three, we should be using quality sources per WP:MEDRS. I might go ahead and ask WP:Med to weigh in on this. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 14:55, 21 September 2016 (UTC) Queried them here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:03, 21 September 2016 (UTC) Proxima Centauri, the following is fine, but it should be sourced: "Sex abuse is one of the most common forms of abuse in nursing homes. Sex abuse is any type of non consensual sex. If a nursing home fails to do proper background checks on an employee who subsequently abuses residents, the home can be liable for negligence. When nursing homes fail to supervise staff or train staff to recognize signs of abuse the home can also be liable for negligence." Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:06, 21 September 2016 (UTC) I made the reference clearer. Proxima Centauri ( talk) 16:07, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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GayHomosexual, or attracted to his/her own gender. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:8480:49F0:95D7:B2AA:579:A9CF ( talk) 03:56, 30 September 2019 (UTC) Um science standards not met.No first hand statistics. Also directly plagiarizes form sourses. On a personal note this article claims 78% of abuse is by men without any explanation of how this info was gathered. Additionally even if more men are charged or/and convicted, this does not necessarily indicate more abuse but rather a scued perception the importance/affects on the abused based on gender. I would like to see an accusation verses conviction ratio. In order to make the claim that men do more abusing this ratio must be consistent from accusation to investigation to charge and finally to conviction. Dcpacho ( talk) 10:30, 2 December 2019 (UTC) Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2021
Add a section for vulnurable people and talk about the higher raates of sexual assault towards women of color, trans people, particularly trans women, as well as the high rate of sexual assault from straight people towards bisexual and pansexual people. 47.195.225.100 ( talk) 16:49, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2021Section Other animals, "Main article: Sexual coercion" should link to Sexual coercion among animals. 151.177.57.31 ( talk) 18:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC) Done. Thanks for your suggestion. Dimadick ( talk) 19:31, 12 February 2021 (UTC) Subheadings read as racist comment - could someone please change this?Could someone with editing skills please remedy the following: The subheading of 'Minorities' is directly followed by the subheading of 'Other animals'. There is clear potential for this to be read as implying that 'minorities' are 'animals'. I checked through the whole article and cannot see mention of any animal prior to the 'Other animals' section - possibly such a reference was removed in an edit. Hopefully so. Also, I noted a number of other issues with the 'Minorities' section. I will try to flag these up sometime in the near future. If anyone else can help it would be much appreciated. Thanks— Preceding unsigned comment added by PenfoldBrown ( talk • contribs) 06:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Informal edit request: No mention of Groping?No mention here of groping (a page which has only 8 interlanguage links, but is currently highly topical in the UK)? I feel it should at least be listed under ==See also==. 86.140.161.188 ( talk) 10:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC) sexual abusethe act of Sexuall force to a minor.this has to stop .break the silence. Pls contact Childline if you are or saw a victim.thank you 168.167.247.27 ( talk) 22:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC) Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2023
I suggest you should change the phrase “ by a woman's husband or ex-husband” to “ by one’s partner or ex-partner”, due to the fact that spousal sexual abuse can happen to anyone of any gender. Slasher husband ( talk) 20:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
N v eWhat is the meaning of drug abuse among student — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.112.224.6 ( talk) 05:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC) Child On Child Sexual AbuseChild Are Abused By Family Member 2607:FB91:145A:1985:A9C3:48FF:F672:9A51 ( talk) 18:03, 9 July 2023 (UTC) Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2023
Can the picture be removed? I don't think including a graphic illustration of sexual assault is ok.
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Removed from the article, for lack of reference:
Which ancient chinese texts? During which eras of footbinding? Which modern texts refer to this?
Which cultures? When?
THAT IS GROSS!
Someone has a sick mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sj ( talk • contribs) on October 22, 2004.
I am a victim of sex abuse and in 2004 I made the biggest leap in my life and wrote a reasonably detailed article on what was going through my mind and how it affected me, this could be used in the article, or just as a reference somewhere, I am new to editing wikipedia, so at the moment I edit nothing more then the talk pages. The article is here: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/13023005/
The article apparently has helped a few new-found-friends who have suffered abuse, even completly different abuse. I think it is best being under External Links personally, should I put it there? -- Kintaro 13:27, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I find it very disappointing that abusers in this article are invariably refered to as "he" and that female offenders aren't even mentioned.
Whether you are of the school of thought that it's not wrong for women in their 30s and 40s to have sex with 12 year old boys (the boys are "lucky" according to some), that's not the legal defintion (despite many female pedophiles and child sexual abusers getting away with it).
What does it say when a man who abuses a boy is a pedophile and child sexual abuser, but a grown woman who abuses a boy is not?
Despite the common disbeliefs, many young girls who are abused by pedophiles don't think it's wrong until they are TOLD it is wrong. This is much the same for a boy who claims he wasn't abused because he liked it. Many accept this. But if a young girl says she wasn't abused, this is (and rightly so) unacceptable. She is not in the position to say whether she was abused. It should be no different for boys.
This double standard is sexist and dangerous.
The generalisations under the heading of Spousal sexual abuse are not supported by any public record or statistic. As a result, the statements do not conform with the Wikipedia Neutral Point of View Policy. Recommend deletion. DB 12:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree, it does seem very biased. What made me first check the talk page to see if anything had been said about that, so.... deletion. Mathmo 11:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
This page was just edited to include incest as a non-consensual, forced behaivor. While I agree that incest deserves to be classified as a form of sexual abuse, it is often consensual and so I would argue that it belongs in its own category\bullet point.
The article should mention the conflict of legal age of consent with reality, that some who are within the legal age of consent may actually be more sexually and psychologically mature than some who are older than the age of consent, and as a result a person who is older than the age of consent may be sexually abused (a.k.a taken advantage of) by another adult, yet not raped because she/he was not emotionally mature enough to say no, yet the person who performed the abuse, who took advantage of another person's weakness for their own pleasure, will get away with it. Often the person is fully aware of the other party's immaturity and insecurity and that he/she is taking advantage of someone, and uses the same techniques that other abusers use on children. It creates an unfortunate situation where a person may be sexually abused yet feel powerless and guilty about it, and where the abuser gets away with it. It highlights the ineffecacy of America's sexual education programs in teaching young people to assert their sexual rights and also the flaws of age of consent laws which don't take into consideration a person's psychological age. There has been some discussion about it, in Sweden for example, but it was argued that it would be too difficult to prove when it happens, even more difficult than rape, to prove that they took advantage, and therefore is probably not realistic to prosecute them, or that there would be a risk of innocent people being prosecuted. Nevertheless it is still a problem that should be mentioned on here as it relates to abuse, because people are abused in this way yet often feel that they themselves have done something wrong, and should be encouraged to get counseling and realize that they were in fact abused. Akseli 12:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
The "Minor sexual abuse" section was inaccurate in several ways. It is inaccurate to say that all sexual activities with minors is sexual abuse under all state's laws. The key is whether the minor in question is Under the age of consent. Since some states set the age of consent at 16, then it is possible for a minor of 16 or 17 in those states to legally consent to sexual activities with an adult. Another problem in the section was the claim that all sexually activities involving minors are illegal since masturbation, generally considered a sexual activity, is not so far as I know illegal under any state or federal laws. Also, I corrected the fact that the section failed to mention the distinction often made between adult/preteen sexual activities (child sexual abuse) and adult/teen sexual activities (statutory rape) or that their exists a marital exemption in some states to sexual abuse laws. -- Cab88 23:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
"Another exemption under sexual abuse laws states that exists in some states applies to adults legally married to minors. Thus, said adults can legally have sexual relations with their spouses without violating the law"
wouldn't they have already violated the law by marrying a minor? I don't understand this sentence.. -- Froth 03:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
As a simple example of existence, in the state of New Mexico, marriage to a minor is permitted with parental consent [3] so long as the child is over the age of 16 [4], and no other violations of law would occur in the union (e.g. incest). By expectations of the privledge of marriage, the adult spouse would not be consider to be raping their minor spouse as long as the act was consentual.
In support of both the "Romeo Exclusion" being an exclusion to statutory rape, within the State of New Mexico, [5] there is at least a 4 year difference allowed such as to ensure that a consentual act of sex could occur spontaneously simply because one partner comes of legal age. -- Puellanivis 22:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Template:Abuse has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Joie de Vivre 15:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Keep. There is nothing wrong with having this in an encyclopedia, and in fact, it is a very real and disturbing fact of life. Just because someone may be offended, or have been victimized in relation to the topic at hand, that does not mean it should be removed. Mzanime 02:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
The definition now reads:
But when you look at the definition of incest it does not include the use of force. Here in Germany we have a brother and sister who are parents of common children before the Supreme Court fighting for their right to consensual incest. How can we fix this paragraph? It isn't right the other way around, either: "Sexual abuse between family members is called incest" would be equally wrong since incest requires some sort of intercourse not just verbal molestation. Did Renvoizé coin the term "bad touch" for incest or for sexual abuse or their common denominator? Why is it a euphemism? Sounds pretty bad to me: Roman Czyborra 09:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
What's the difference between rape and molestation? TwistedRed ( talk) 03:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Where are all the pictures? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.234.232.90 ( talk) 15:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Currently the section regarding sexual abuse of children/minors is larger than the introductory paragraph explaining the true meaning of the term. Not only that, but it's supposed to be a mere summary of a different article being redirected to. I think either this needs to be cut down a little bit or else we need to build this article bigger so that it's not overpowred by this subsection. Tyciol ( talk) 07:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
where are the pics —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.5.216.204 ( talk) 16:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Would a section for occupational/academic sexual misconduct be appropriate? I am referring to for instance a college professor using their position to gain sexual favors from students, or a boss doing the same with employees. Legitimus ( talk) 18:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
She was killed by a hitman named Jordan Mays —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.39.19.61 ( talk) 14:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Did you, as a child have parents who insisted you kiss/hug them, or that you kiss/hug them or your grandparents? And when you protested you were told that "It's no big deal." or "you're overeacting." Would this be a form of sexual abuse? This happened to me The snare ( talk) 20:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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The article added here as evidence to the sexual abuse by the Muslim clerics in Pakistan is baseless and quoting a Telegraph article which does not even exist and I think it was added just to increase the list or may be to include another major religion or even may be putting all religions under the same roof. Well, whatever the case is the reference is unauthentic itself and from a website explicitly targeting other faiths so how can it complement another article. There has never been cases reported in Pakistan, I have lived there for 21 years, of such nature and even if it would have happened ten t would have been an act of an individual not instigated by the power relinquished by the Islamic rules and regulations, it is not like it is practiced widely or even more than may be once a million years. I appeal here that Islam should be removed from this list immediately and if the case is still to be remained a better reference should be acquired. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Otherangle ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
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For example, incest is passed off as sexual abuse when on it on, it may or may not be consensual. As far as I'm concerned, sexual abuse is involuntary, and is no excuse for excessive morality. -- 68.7.110.80 ( talk) 01:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Footnote #4I'm not sure where do i post this. I was trying to find for a complaint button without success, thus I choose to write it here, hoping someone would take this into concern. The footnote # 4 on this article leads to a very disturbing website that promotes hatred againts Islam. Also, the website contains list of other blogs which are more extreme than the website itself. I have nothing againts the particular article that was meant to be inserted in the footnote though, but i do see alot of biased and hate comments posted below the article in that website,for example a comment suggesting an ethnic cleansing of Muslims. Links attached to the websites suggest these kind of page names :Burning the Koran for freedom, Creeping Sharia,Islamo nazism, Stop Islamisation of Europe, Why Islam is not a religion of peace, etc. I agree you can't stop people from spreading lies, and you can't stop them from reading lies too. But being an unbiased and neutral org Wikipedia is itself, it should not the least participate in linking people into hate promoting websites like these.Articles in Wikipedia should refer to reliable sources as it says in the guidelines for editors but what I see here, it's exposing the readers to a source which contains more personal opinions than generally accepted knowledge. I strongly suggest Christians and people from other religions to check on the rest of the footnotes too so they can voice out if they link to misleading websites as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryazadeh ( talk • contribs) 20:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Removal of victims advocacy linkI removed the Canadian sexual abuse victim's advocacy link, because I believe that link is in clear violation of WP:EL. The nutshell summary of WP:EL reads, "External links in an article can be helpful to the reader, but they should be kept minimal, meritable, and directly relevant to the article." Per this, the standard for inclusion on external links is quite high. Take a look at WP:ELYES and WP:ELMAYBE. This link definitely doesn't meet any of the WP:ELYES guidelines. There is no indication on that site that it is a particularly reliable source; rather, per it's About page, "SexAssault.ca is a Canadian victims advocacy website founded by Philanthropist Mark Zinck." There is no info provided to give any reason to believe that the site creators have any particular knowledge or expertise in the field, or that the information is in any way reliable. As such, I don't believe it is appropriate to include that link. Qwyrxian ( talk) 07:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC) Picture of sexually abused childI just joined Wikipedia so I don't have the authority to make changes to this topic yet, but perhaps I can persuade someone else to? I think the picture of the sexually abused child should be removed because: 1. The child has not provided permission for his/her picture to be used on Wikipedia. 2. The picture is exploitative of the child and should have never been taken or published in the first place. Just because the child is anonymous and the individual is likely no longer alive today doesn't mean it's ok to use his/her photo. Imagine if we posted a picture of a child who was sexually abused last year? Laws would prevent this. 3. The picture serves absolutely no purpose in enhancing the information about the topic except to affect the reader's emotions. Surely we can feel emotional about the horrors of child sexual abuse without looking at a photo. 4. The picture also serves to perpetuate harmful stereotypes that "this is what an abused child looks like"- listless and battered. The face of child sexual abuse is not obvious and it is diverse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joy3482 ( talk • contribs) 18:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Is this really needed?"Bad Touch" redirects here. For the song, see The Bad Touch.- I've heard young children use that terminology. I've heard Adults use that terminology to young children.It just seems rather mocking to have it here. Is there an actual need for it? I just have the mental picture of a bloodhound gang fan having a herp derp moment upon finding this page as opposed to the opposite. 24.115.19.178 ( talk) 05:12, 24 January 2012 (UTC) So is the article saying all parents are sexual abusers? It certainly implies to state that. Bulletpoint lacks sufficient detail."Saying sexually suggestive statements towards a child (child molestation)." I'm sorry is this saying that saying sexually suggestive statements to , towards, or at a child is Child molestation? I mean if so wouldn't the Character that Julia Roberts plays in the Stepmom be committing Child molestation while talking to her future stepdaughter. Roberts tells her future stepdaughter to insult a boy at school who previously humiliated her, telling him that she doesn't waste her time with "losers who don't even know what snowblowing is." That's just a rather tame and innocent example. further more and honestly as written it seems more like sexual harassment tan anything else as it is written. 24.115.19.178 ( talk) 05:23, 24 January 2012 (UTC) Edit request on 1 June 2012
"ISLAM (CITATION NEEDED)" SHOULD BE DELETED THERE IS NO PROOF OF THIS. Ismi2u ( talk) 06:09, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Small issue with child sexual abuse sectionI have a small issue with the statement that "child sexual abuse also occurs when an adult indecently exposes their genitalia to a child,...". Because the definition indecent exposure can cover just about any form of public nudity in some places, this statement is way too broad. In the U.S. and in many other countries it is not legally child sexual abuse to expose your genitals to a child in the context of say nudist activities, a nude protest march, mom or dad being nude around their kids in the privacy of their own home, etc. Now if you intentionally expose yourself for the specific purpose show your genitals to a child then that can considered sexual abuse but merely being nude around a child is not legally sexual abuse (please correct me if anyone aware of any state cases that contradict that statement). I'm not aware of any credible expert on the issue of child sexual abuse who argues that child being exposed to the genitals of an adult is automatically sexual abuse in and of itself. yes, some people do argue that taking a child to nudist resort or beach or a parent being naked around their child is sexual abuse in and of itself but they represent a minority. I'm not sure how best to correct this but I do feel it should be reworded to be clear that merely being nude around a child is not sexual abuse in and of itself. -- Cab88 ( talk) 09:09, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
There is a dispute [6] on Boy Scouts of America about the inclusion of material about sexual abuse. I'm hoping the editors here would be familiar with the subject and be able to help us settle the dispute. Still-24-45-42-125 ( talk) 05:42, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't seem that you understand what escalation is. Regardless, an RfC would be fine, since it's bringing in more editors. We could try DRN, but it's basically worthless. Unless we luck out and get one of the few volunteers who goes beyond the limits of the process, they'll just count heads and pretend that a consensus is a vote. Fortunately, a DRN is not binding, so I would not be bound by it.
This talk page is intended to discuss the sexual abuse article and to bring up peripheral matters, such as what to do about sexual abuse content in other articles, with Boy Scouts of America being a good example. Still-24-45-42-125 ( talk) 21:08, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 11 September 2012
I think that people need to know facts about stuff they don't feel comfortable enough to talk about. That's why people come to this website to add stuff they know so other people can learn knew things. Please change this page so it is more discriptive
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Can someone add a hat note to indicate that Bad Touch redicts here, for the song see The Bad Touch? Thanks. I forgot my password. 72.95.180.63 ( talk) 03:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Edit request on 24 July 2013
"Leave me alone you dirty cuckold"Does this image really help the article? It's a rather realistic drawing of a child being molested, and might be rather triggering for some. This is real armour ( talk) 04:35, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2016
Please add " 1in6, based in the U.S., is one of the leading organizations dedicated to helping men who have had unwanted or abusive sexual experiences. The non-profit provides information & resources related to the issue, specifically for male survivors and those who care about them. The organization is named after the statistic, which indicates the percentage of men in the United States who have experienced some form of sexual abuse before age 18. To address the growing need for support groups dedicated to male survivors, 1in6 & RAINN jointly created a weekly online peer support group, facilitated by a professional counselor. It's a chat-based resource available to male survivors all over the world." because 1) male survivors need to know where they can find support, 2) the statistic (most well-researched) needs to be discussed as a means of creating awareness & fighting through the isolation and shame often associated with this issue, and 3) 1in6 is a leading organization, backed by decades of research and knowledge from top-tier clinical psychologists. Thank you. Andrewplangdon ( talk) 00:30, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Latest additionsProxima Centauri, regarding this, this and this, the solution is not to re-add the material. Yes, I see that you changed it after re-adding it, but the text is still problematic. For one, we should not be directly talking to our readers, and/or giving them medical advice. See WP:Medical disclaimer and WP:MEDMOS. Two, big blockquotes can be a WP:COPYVIO concern. And three, we should be using quality sources per WP:MEDRS. I might go ahead and ask WP:Med to weigh in on this. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 14:55, 21 September 2016 (UTC) Queried them here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:03, 21 September 2016 (UTC) Proxima Centauri, the following is fine, but it should be sourced: "Sex abuse is one of the most common forms of abuse in nursing homes. Sex abuse is any type of non consensual sex. If a nursing home fails to do proper background checks on an employee who subsequently abuses residents, the home can be liable for negligence. When nursing homes fail to supervise staff or train staff to recognize signs of abuse the home can also be liable for negligence." Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:06, 21 September 2016 (UTC) I made the reference clearer. Proxima Centauri ( talk) 16:07, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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GayHomosexual, or attracted to his/her own gender. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:8480:49F0:95D7:B2AA:579:A9CF ( talk) 03:56, 30 September 2019 (UTC) Um science standards not met.No first hand statistics. Also directly plagiarizes form sourses. On a personal note this article claims 78% of abuse is by men without any explanation of how this info was gathered. Additionally even if more men are charged or/and convicted, this does not necessarily indicate more abuse but rather a scued perception the importance/affects on the abused based on gender. I would like to see an accusation verses conviction ratio. In order to make the claim that men do more abusing this ratio must be consistent from accusation to investigation to charge and finally to conviction. Dcpacho ( talk) 10:30, 2 December 2019 (UTC) Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2021
Add a section for vulnurable people and talk about the higher raates of sexual assault towards women of color, trans people, particularly trans women, as well as the high rate of sexual assault from straight people towards bisexual and pansexual people. 47.195.225.100 ( talk) 16:49, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2021Section Other animals, "Main article: Sexual coercion" should link to Sexual coercion among animals. 151.177.57.31 ( talk) 18:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC) Done. Thanks for your suggestion. Dimadick ( talk) 19:31, 12 February 2021 (UTC) Subheadings read as racist comment - could someone please change this?Could someone with editing skills please remedy the following: The subheading of 'Minorities' is directly followed by the subheading of 'Other animals'. There is clear potential for this to be read as implying that 'minorities' are 'animals'. I checked through the whole article and cannot see mention of any animal prior to the 'Other animals' section - possibly such a reference was removed in an edit. Hopefully so. Also, I noted a number of other issues with the 'Minorities' section. I will try to flag these up sometime in the near future. If anyone else can help it would be much appreciated. Thanks— Preceding unsigned comment added by PenfoldBrown ( talk • contribs) 06:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Informal edit request: No mention of Groping?No mention here of groping (a page which has only 8 interlanguage links, but is currently highly topical in the UK)? I feel it should at least be listed under ==See also==. 86.140.161.188 ( talk) 10:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC) sexual abusethe act of Sexuall force to a minor.this has to stop .break the silence. Pls contact Childline if you are or saw a victim.thank you 168.167.247.27 ( talk) 22:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC) Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2023
I suggest you should change the phrase “ by a woman's husband or ex-husband” to “ by one’s partner or ex-partner”, due to the fact that spousal sexual abuse can happen to anyone of any gender. Slasher husband ( talk) 20:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
N v eWhat is the meaning of drug abuse among student — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.112.224.6 ( talk) 05:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC) Child On Child Sexual AbuseChild Are Abused By Family Member 2607:FB91:145A:1985:A9C3:48FF:F672:9A51 ( talk) 18:03, 9 July 2023 (UTC) Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2023
Can the picture be removed? I don't think including a graphic illustration of sexual assault is ok.
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