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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 08:55, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm curious about the addition of this name in the history section. Might it be WP:UNDUE? There isn't an article on this person in Wikipedia which might suggest they are not significant enough in "history" to be along side giants of literature like Ralph Waldo Emerson. Is the intent to represent another country (Australia) because of a perceived Systemic bias towards America to better represent all countries? the thoughtfulness of representing more countries is appreciated.
I suggest removing Yeomans. The article could grow to overwhelm a reader with every person in the self-help arena (Dyer, Chopra, and every country with a guru.) Going past originators of the topic risks leaving some people out and that dialog. Removing can keep it more concise, encyclopedia, unless we want to add a table with names. Less is more and weight can be honored. Comments? Eturk001 ( talk) 00:14, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
An anonymous user added "online & offline" to second paragraph of lead.
I don't know if adding this adds much to the topic. Yes, maybe 100 years from now people might not know that self-help was offered "online", but that's a stretch. Also, "offline" is quite ambiguous linguistically. It means various things in culture, like let's talk "offline" which means "not during this session". Offline does not describe books or audio. And doing group work is possibly "other-help" still. "Online" is also a layman's terms but is vague. "Internet" is more accurate.
Does not seem to be the language of a scholarly article or encyclopedia. If no clear arguments for that specific add, let's remove it. Less is more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eturk001 ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
That seems kind of unbalanced. I can understand pointing out common criticisms of self help but that should not be the primary focus of the article.
Also the criticism section lumps all of self-help together. Thats kind of ridiculous if you consider that each self-help book or movement has different techniques, movements and proponents. Also self-help books are focused on many different problems. So a section that talks about 'self-help' like it is 'one thing' is kind of silly.
In other words, there is no single 'self-help movement' and there never was.
Also self-help is just people helping themselves-- most people do that every day. So criticism of what everybody does all the time seems a bit irrelevant. Self help is kind of like breathing. Everybody does it all the time.
On a planet with 6 billion people, someone out there somewhere is probably criticizing breathing right now. But would you want to quote them and write about what they say at great length in an encyclopedia-style article about breathing?
Sean7phil ( talk) 18:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
I have just created Archive 2 for this page, encompassing most of the comments from 2007-2010. -- Hordaland ( talk) 18:52, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
This is good. Also, it might be a good idea to create a Wikiquote page for self-help (if it has not already been done). It would help those who need self-help to find it, and encourage those who have already achieved it to share their thoughts on the matter (however much others might think it "hits the mark", or misses it completely). -- SpencerWalpole ( talk) 10:42, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Afticle is biased beyond beluef. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.30.183.44 ( talk) 08:23, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Significado y ejemplo 152.231.34.193 ( talk) 04:07, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Define the following terms like self awareness 41.116.240.158 ( talk) 14:55, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 08:55, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm curious about the addition of this name in the history section. Might it be WP:UNDUE? There isn't an article on this person in Wikipedia which might suggest they are not significant enough in "history" to be along side giants of literature like Ralph Waldo Emerson. Is the intent to represent another country (Australia) because of a perceived Systemic bias towards America to better represent all countries? the thoughtfulness of representing more countries is appreciated.
I suggest removing Yeomans. The article could grow to overwhelm a reader with every person in the self-help arena (Dyer, Chopra, and every country with a guru.) Going past originators of the topic risks leaving some people out and that dialog. Removing can keep it more concise, encyclopedia, unless we want to add a table with names. Less is more and weight can be honored. Comments? Eturk001 ( talk) 00:14, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
An anonymous user added "online & offline" to second paragraph of lead.
I don't know if adding this adds much to the topic. Yes, maybe 100 years from now people might not know that self-help was offered "online", but that's a stretch. Also, "offline" is quite ambiguous linguistically. It means various things in culture, like let's talk "offline" which means "not during this session". Offline does not describe books or audio. And doing group work is possibly "other-help" still. "Online" is also a layman's terms but is vague. "Internet" is more accurate.
Does not seem to be the language of a scholarly article or encyclopedia. If no clear arguments for that specific add, let's remove it. Less is more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eturk001 ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
That seems kind of unbalanced. I can understand pointing out common criticisms of self help but that should not be the primary focus of the article.
Also the criticism section lumps all of self-help together. Thats kind of ridiculous if you consider that each self-help book or movement has different techniques, movements and proponents. Also self-help books are focused on many different problems. So a section that talks about 'self-help' like it is 'one thing' is kind of silly.
In other words, there is no single 'self-help movement' and there never was.
Also self-help is just people helping themselves-- most people do that every day. So criticism of what everybody does all the time seems a bit irrelevant. Self help is kind of like breathing. Everybody does it all the time.
On a planet with 6 billion people, someone out there somewhere is probably criticizing breathing right now. But would you want to quote them and write about what they say at great length in an encyclopedia-style article about breathing?
Sean7phil ( talk) 18:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
I have just created Archive 2 for this page, encompassing most of the comments from 2007-2010. -- Hordaland ( talk) 18:52, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
This is good. Also, it might be a good idea to create a Wikiquote page for self-help (if it has not already been done). It would help those who need self-help to find it, and encourage those who have already achieved it to share their thoughts on the matter (however much others might think it "hits the mark", or misses it completely). -- SpencerWalpole ( talk) 10:42, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Afticle is biased beyond beluef. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.30.183.44 ( talk) 08:23, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Significado y ejemplo 152.231.34.193 ( talk) 04:07, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Define the following terms like self awareness 41.116.240.158 ( talk) 14:55, 22 January 2024 (UTC)