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Despite my attempts to review and update both the operator and destinations for this airport another editor insists on undoing my edits. I see no guidelines on WP:Airports pertaining to not listing aircraft types. I cannot see what issue there should be with providing the aircraft types operated into the airport by the individual operators. This is of interest to some people and although the aircraft types operated by individual airlines is (in theory) available on their respective airline articles those articles do not describe which aircraft operate into a particular airport and this is what is being done here. As some of the aircraft operating into AMI are of seriously advanced age this is of considerable interest to some and this article would no doubt be the only readily accessible resource on that.
I recognise I was in error (unknowingly) in listing code shares and destinations via another port. Difficult with AMI as routes such as Merpati are marketed as an international flight AMI-KUL, but do touch down on SUB on route. Hence I was listing Garuda's flight the market as AMI-KUL and also Merpati's flight they market as AMI-KUL. Also I was describing the Silk Air/Singapore airlines flight as a code share with GA, which of course it is, and the GA AMI-KUL flight code shared with Malaysian airlines.
Wings operates for Lion on AMI-DPS. Not hard to work that out. Wings are the operator and yes Wings is 100% owned by Lion. Lion market Wings flights and do the ticketing for Wings. They will issue both Wings tickets and Lion tickets for the same flight and the same aircraft, different flight numbers same aircraft (a code share). Wings may be best described as a Lion air feeder airline or a 'regional' operator, whereas Lion operate the trunk routes. Wings cannot be accessed online and Wings online booking is per Lion AIr. They both have the same registered address in Jakarta. Hence the cross referencing. However if it is a Wings registered aircraft, in Wings colours, with wings crew and a wings call sign, chances are it is a Wings flight, not Lion Air as 124x247x221x146] apparently wants to insist. The Wings Air AMI-DPS service is decribed as such both by the airline and the respective airports of departure and arrival. However both airport and flight stats will call it both Lion and Wings. Presumably not as a code share but a joint operation. However just deleting the Wings entry from the list for AMI-DPS is disingenuous. That has been repeated several times now on the Ngurah Rai International Airport article and it is not helpful and is a totally inappropriate edit.
Likewise with the Wings and Lion Air listings for AMI-SUB. They both code share on all flights. However some are operated by Lion, some by Wings, therefore they both fly AMI-SUB. So I have listed Wings operating AMI-SUB and I have listed Lion operating AMI-SUB. Originally I listed them as both code sharing, I now understand this is not WP:Airports policy. OK I am happy to deprive the reader of this information to conform to editing policy. However again in regard to the detail of this article; if the route is operated with different aircraft/crews/separate aviation directorate aircraft registration lists and have a different company name. So as a different airline, it should have a separate listing. When I have done this on this article and the Ngurah Rai International Airport article [124x247x221x146] has deleted it.
The AMI SUB information being deleted is accurate, informing and correctly reflects the operational situation. Indeed the Wings AMI-SUB flights operate MD 82 and DC9 -82. Most of the Lion Air AMI-SUB flights operate a 737-300 or a 737-400 but sometimes they use a MD-90 or a MD83. These MD's are more than a curiosity, they are dangerous and for that reason it is of interest what aircraft and who operate. Some people are scared witless of the aircraft operating out of Selaparang, others get a thrill out of flying on an antique including the occasional 737-200 that Merpati offers up and several operators use vintage F27's. Part of the reason for the Wings/Lion issues is that Lion may be playing a game with their fleet registrations trying to clean up their act for EU certification. Hence, aside from them still listing some MD90's and a single MD82 on their register they have moved all their really doubtful aircraft across to Wings and re-painted them in Wings colours. This makes the remaining fleet especially their large number of new 737-900ER's look pretty good. It is not helpful deleting my edits and restoring erroneous information such as Lion fly AMI DPS, when it is actually Wings, that Wings operate AMI-CGK, they do not, and deleting the information that Wings operate AMI SUB when in fact BOTH Wings and Lion operate that route. I cannot understand why [124x247x221x146] wants to keep on fooling about with the Wings listings both here and on the Ngurah Rai International Airport article. I wish he would stop it. Maybe following some the refs he likes to delete would be useful.
With the other operators like TranNusa, IAT and Trigana it is not helpful to be deleting destinations. TransNusa fly AMI- fly Bima, Sumbawa, not just Denpasar. Also they do not generally put "Services" or "Service" after their names in their common self description. TransNusa Air Services normally call themselves just plain TransNusa, Trigana is the same where as Indonesia Air Transport call themselves IAT. Fine on their WP main articles but surely this is too much detail in the table when even the airlines themselves do not use these descriptions on the aircraft, their ticketing or on the front pages of their websites. To get their names including Service or Services you need to dig down into the About or Company profile pages..
Similarly I do not understand why [User:124x247x221x146]] ( talk) wishes to delete the (International and Domestic) Terminal column in the table. I cannot see how this can assist the article nor any better understanding of the subject. If the airport has International and domestic flights at different terminals why delete the information when it is provided in the table.
Accordingly I am again going to attempt to reinstate the table as the current information is jumbled in fact and in erroneous in detail. I have removed the original aircraft distributions for discussion on this page and have placed a copy of the earlier contentious table containing the aircraft types below this comment so it can be understood clearly what was upsetting [User:124x247x221x146]] ( talk).
Airlines | Destinations | Terminal | Aircraft type |
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Indonesia Air Transport | Denpasar | Domestic |
F27, F50, ATR 42-300, ATR 42-500 [1] |
Batavia Air | Jakarta, Surabaya | Domestic |
737-200, 737-300, 737-400, A319-100 [2] |
Garuda Indonesia | Jakarta, Denpasar | Domestic |
737-300, 737-400, 737-500 [3] |
Lion Air | Jakarta, Surabaya (some flights operated by Wings Air), Denpasar (DPS operated by Wings Air) |
Domestic |
737-300, 737-400, 737-900ER, MD82, MD90-30 [4] |
Merpati Nusantara Airlines | Denpasar, Surabaya, Jakarta | Domestic |
737-200, 737-300, 737-400, F27, CN 235, MA60 [5] |
Silk Air | Singapore | International |
A319-100 [6] |
TransNusa | Denpasar, Bima, Sumbawa | Domestic |
F27, F50, ATR-42 300 [7] |
Trigana Air | Denpasar | Domestic |
F27, ATR-42 [8] |
Wings Air | Surabaya, Denpasar | Domestic |
ATR72-500, DHC-8-301, DC9-82, MD82, MD83 [9] |
Felix505 ( talk) 19:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Airlines | Destinations [1] | Terminal |
---|---|---|
Indonesia Air Transport | Denpasar | Domestic
|
Batavia Air | Jakarta, Surabaya | Domestic
|
Garuda Indonesia | Jakarta, Denpasar | Domestic
|
Lion Air | Jakarta, Surabaya some SUB flights operated by Wings Air, Denpasar (DPS operated by Wings Air) |
Domestic
|
Merpati Nusantara Airlines | Denpasar, Surabaya, Jakarta | Domestic
|
Silk Air | Singapore | International
|
TransNusa | Denpasar, Bima, Sumbawa | Domestic
|
Trigana Air | Denpasar | Domestic
|
Wings Air | Denpasar, Surabaya | Domestic
|
This table is inserted retrospectively from the article history for clarity of the editing history being discussed here Felix505 ( talk) 04:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I am changing that again, for the following reasons:
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Despite my attempts to review and update both the operator and destinations for this airport another editor insists on undoing my edits. I see no guidelines on WP:Airports pertaining to not listing aircraft types. I cannot see what issue there should be with providing the aircraft types operated into the airport by the individual operators. This is of interest to some people and although the aircraft types operated by individual airlines is (in theory) available on their respective airline articles those articles do not describe which aircraft operate into a particular airport and this is what is being done here. As some of the aircraft operating into AMI are of seriously advanced age this is of considerable interest to some and this article would no doubt be the only readily accessible resource on that.
I recognise I was in error (unknowingly) in listing code shares and destinations via another port. Difficult with AMI as routes such as Merpati are marketed as an international flight AMI-KUL, but do touch down on SUB on route. Hence I was listing Garuda's flight the market as AMI-KUL and also Merpati's flight they market as AMI-KUL. Also I was describing the Silk Air/Singapore airlines flight as a code share with GA, which of course it is, and the GA AMI-KUL flight code shared with Malaysian airlines.
Wings operates for Lion on AMI-DPS. Not hard to work that out. Wings are the operator and yes Wings is 100% owned by Lion. Lion market Wings flights and do the ticketing for Wings. They will issue both Wings tickets and Lion tickets for the same flight and the same aircraft, different flight numbers same aircraft (a code share). Wings may be best described as a Lion air feeder airline or a 'regional' operator, whereas Lion operate the trunk routes. Wings cannot be accessed online and Wings online booking is per Lion AIr. They both have the same registered address in Jakarta. Hence the cross referencing. However if it is a Wings registered aircraft, in Wings colours, with wings crew and a wings call sign, chances are it is a Wings flight, not Lion Air as 124x247x221x146] apparently wants to insist. The Wings Air AMI-DPS service is decribed as such both by the airline and the respective airports of departure and arrival. However both airport and flight stats will call it both Lion and Wings. Presumably not as a code share but a joint operation. However just deleting the Wings entry from the list for AMI-DPS is disingenuous. That has been repeated several times now on the Ngurah Rai International Airport article and it is not helpful and is a totally inappropriate edit.
Likewise with the Wings and Lion Air listings for AMI-SUB. They both code share on all flights. However some are operated by Lion, some by Wings, therefore they both fly AMI-SUB. So I have listed Wings operating AMI-SUB and I have listed Lion operating AMI-SUB. Originally I listed them as both code sharing, I now understand this is not WP:Airports policy. OK I am happy to deprive the reader of this information to conform to editing policy. However again in regard to the detail of this article; if the route is operated with different aircraft/crews/separate aviation directorate aircraft registration lists and have a different company name. So as a different airline, it should have a separate listing. When I have done this on this article and the Ngurah Rai International Airport article [124x247x221x146] has deleted it.
The AMI SUB information being deleted is accurate, informing and correctly reflects the operational situation. Indeed the Wings AMI-SUB flights operate MD 82 and DC9 -82. Most of the Lion Air AMI-SUB flights operate a 737-300 or a 737-400 but sometimes they use a MD-90 or a MD83. These MD's are more than a curiosity, they are dangerous and for that reason it is of interest what aircraft and who operate. Some people are scared witless of the aircraft operating out of Selaparang, others get a thrill out of flying on an antique including the occasional 737-200 that Merpati offers up and several operators use vintage F27's. Part of the reason for the Wings/Lion issues is that Lion may be playing a game with their fleet registrations trying to clean up their act for EU certification. Hence, aside from them still listing some MD90's and a single MD82 on their register they have moved all their really doubtful aircraft across to Wings and re-painted them in Wings colours. This makes the remaining fleet especially their large number of new 737-900ER's look pretty good. It is not helpful deleting my edits and restoring erroneous information such as Lion fly AMI DPS, when it is actually Wings, that Wings operate AMI-CGK, they do not, and deleting the information that Wings operate AMI SUB when in fact BOTH Wings and Lion operate that route. I cannot understand why [124x247x221x146] wants to keep on fooling about with the Wings listings both here and on the Ngurah Rai International Airport article. I wish he would stop it. Maybe following some the refs he likes to delete would be useful.
With the other operators like TranNusa, IAT and Trigana it is not helpful to be deleting destinations. TransNusa fly AMI- fly Bima, Sumbawa, not just Denpasar. Also they do not generally put "Services" or "Service" after their names in their common self description. TransNusa Air Services normally call themselves just plain TransNusa, Trigana is the same where as Indonesia Air Transport call themselves IAT. Fine on their WP main articles but surely this is too much detail in the table when even the airlines themselves do not use these descriptions on the aircraft, their ticketing or on the front pages of their websites. To get their names including Service or Services you need to dig down into the About or Company profile pages..
Similarly I do not understand why [User:124x247x221x146]] ( talk) wishes to delete the (International and Domestic) Terminal column in the table. I cannot see how this can assist the article nor any better understanding of the subject. If the airport has International and domestic flights at different terminals why delete the information when it is provided in the table.
Accordingly I am again going to attempt to reinstate the table as the current information is jumbled in fact and in erroneous in detail. I have removed the original aircraft distributions for discussion on this page and have placed a copy of the earlier contentious table containing the aircraft types below this comment so it can be understood clearly what was upsetting [User:124x247x221x146]] ( talk).
Airlines | Destinations | Terminal | Aircraft type |
---|---|---|---|
Indonesia Air Transport | Denpasar | Domestic |
F27, F50, ATR 42-300, ATR 42-500 [1] |
Batavia Air | Jakarta, Surabaya | Domestic |
737-200, 737-300, 737-400, A319-100 [2] |
Garuda Indonesia | Jakarta, Denpasar | Domestic |
737-300, 737-400, 737-500 [3] |
Lion Air | Jakarta, Surabaya (some flights operated by Wings Air), Denpasar (DPS operated by Wings Air) |
Domestic |
737-300, 737-400, 737-900ER, MD82, MD90-30 [4] |
Merpati Nusantara Airlines | Denpasar, Surabaya, Jakarta | Domestic |
737-200, 737-300, 737-400, F27, CN 235, MA60 [5] |
Silk Air | Singapore | International |
A319-100 [6] |
TransNusa | Denpasar, Bima, Sumbawa | Domestic |
F27, F50, ATR-42 300 [7] |
Trigana Air | Denpasar | Domestic |
F27, ATR-42 [8] |
Wings Air | Surabaya, Denpasar | Domestic |
ATR72-500, DHC-8-301, DC9-82, MD82, MD83 [9] |
Felix505 ( talk) 19:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Airlines | Destinations [1] | Terminal |
---|---|---|
Indonesia Air Transport | Denpasar | Domestic
|
Batavia Air | Jakarta, Surabaya | Domestic
|
Garuda Indonesia | Jakarta, Denpasar | Domestic
|
Lion Air | Jakarta, Surabaya some SUB flights operated by Wings Air, Denpasar (DPS operated by Wings Air) |
Domestic
|
Merpati Nusantara Airlines | Denpasar, Surabaya, Jakarta | Domestic
|
Silk Air | Singapore | International
|
TransNusa | Denpasar, Bima, Sumbawa | Domestic
|
Trigana Air | Denpasar | Domestic
|
Wings Air | Denpasar, Surabaya | Domestic
|
This table is inserted retrospectively from the article history for clarity of the editing history being discussed here Felix505 ( talk) 04:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I am changing that again, for the following reasons: