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I understand that name changes are not always made when a game is come to be known as an old name for so long (ie Mother vs. EarthBound Beginnings). In this case however, with the significance of the localized version renaming the game and the remake doing the same, I feel that it would be best to get in front of it and adjust to what will likely come to be the more common name for a fair few people. Plus, being a Japanese name, it feels like a different situation than Mother. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 22:42, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
I guess I'll start a second discussion! I also think that a remake article would be valuable, seeing as how this one is already quite proficient and how drastic a remake it is. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 22:48, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Whatever happens, I consider how would one cite an interview made only available on video? There's an interview on Gamespot where a Square Enix representative reveals that the game's original composer is back to handle the music for the remake. The interview is here, with the reveal at the 8 minute 45 second mark. 98.206.136.4 ( talk) 16:26, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: There is consensus against moving the article back to SD3. These situations are always tricky and unique and it can be difficult to weigh the historical title used for decades versus the more recent localized English title ( Earthbound Beginnings has it even worse) but this discussion makes it clear a large majority of editors have determined that at this point in time, the better title for this topic is "Trials of Mana". ( non-admin closure) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 12:21, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Trials of Mana → Seiken Densetsu 3 – This article about the 1995 Famicom game, not its 2019 rerelease, or its upcoming remake, so it should have never been moved to Trials of Mana. Looking at the sourcing used in this very article, they all continue to use the name Seiken Densetsu 3 when writing about the original release, the upcoming remake, and the collection that was released. This is after all how English sourcing has referred to it for over 20 years. More recent reliable sources continue referring to the game by this name, and use Trials of Mana to refer exclusively to the rerelease/upcoming remake. Examples of this include: Nintendo Life, Gematsu, Destructoid. From this, I think it is safe to say that the WP:COMMONNAME is still Seiken Densetsu 3. Alt ( talk) 06:49, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
"What’s Trials of Mana? It’s the new official U.S. name for Seiken Densetsu 3, the Super Nintendo sequel"and
"Trials of Mana, the very first officially localised version of Seiken Densetsu 3.". This is not to mention all the historic sources we have on this game, like the Retro Gamer issue I have in my room which has "Seiken Densetsu 3" all over its front cover. To me, it seems like "Trials of Mana" is just a specific version, a specific release, of Seiken Densetsu 3. Moreover, this will help out greatly with disambiguation with the remake coming out. I don't see any reason for this article to be titled "Trials of Mana" to be honest; I personally was barely aware this English-language release of the game even existed... ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 09:21, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
If ... reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well. As per sources provided by the nominator and noted by Maplestrip, sources written after the name change continue to use the established name Seiken Densetsu 3 for the 1995 game. Thus, we should continue to do so as well. Note to discussion closer: if this is closed as "no consensus", this article should be moved back to Seiken Densetsu 3, which had been the stable title for this article before it was unilaterally moved to its present title in June 2019, fourteen years after this article was created. feminist ( talk) 10:24, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
So, with the upcoming Trials of Mana re-release upon us, we'll have to figure out a way to approach the sources which contains the translated quotes and dialogue. Should we use the earlier fan translation or Square Enix's official English translations? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 22:41, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
The international Collection of Mana release of Trials of Mana was actually localized as a SNES game. Hidden inside the Switch game's data files is a group of SNES ROM files containing the localized versions of the game. These localized ROM files will actually run if played on a SNES (using a flash cart, etc.). In other words, instead of reworking the game into a Switch game then translating that, Square actually localized the SNES ROM then put it into a SNES emulator. But I can't put this information on the main page, because I don't have a source on it. -- Myria ( talk) 17:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Trials of Mana is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so. | ||||||||||||||||
Trials of Mana is part of the Mana series series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so. | ||||||||||||||||
This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on August 2, 2020. | ||||||||||||||||
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I understand that name changes are not always made when a game is come to be known as an old name for so long (ie Mother vs. EarthBound Beginnings). In this case however, with the significance of the localized version renaming the game and the remake doing the same, I feel that it would be best to get in front of it and adjust to what will likely come to be the more common name for a fair few people. Plus, being a Japanese name, it feels like a different situation than Mother. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 22:42, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
I guess I'll start a second discussion! I also think that a remake article would be valuable, seeing as how this one is already quite proficient and how drastic a remake it is. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 22:48, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Whatever happens, I consider how would one cite an interview made only available on video? There's an interview on Gamespot where a Square Enix representative reveals that the game's original composer is back to handle the music for the remake. The interview is here, with the reveal at the 8 minute 45 second mark. 98.206.136.4 ( talk) 16:26, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: There is consensus against moving the article back to SD3. These situations are always tricky and unique and it can be difficult to weigh the historical title used for decades versus the more recent localized English title ( Earthbound Beginnings has it even worse) but this discussion makes it clear a large majority of editors have determined that at this point in time, the better title for this topic is "Trials of Mana". ( non-admin closure) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 12:21, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Trials of Mana → Seiken Densetsu 3 – This article about the 1995 Famicom game, not its 2019 rerelease, or its upcoming remake, so it should have never been moved to Trials of Mana. Looking at the sourcing used in this very article, they all continue to use the name Seiken Densetsu 3 when writing about the original release, the upcoming remake, and the collection that was released. This is after all how English sourcing has referred to it for over 20 years. More recent reliable sources continue referring to the game by this name, and use Trials of Mana to refer exclusively to the rerelease/upcoming remake. Examples of this include: Nintendo Life, Gematsu, Destructoid. From this, I think it is safe to say that the WP:COMMONNAME is still Seiken Densetsu 3. Alt ( talk) 06:49, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
"What’s Trials of Mana? It’s the new official U.S. name for Seiken Densetsu 3, the Super Nintendo sequel"and
"Trials of Mana, the very first officially localised version of Seiken Densetsu 3.". This is not to mention all the historic sources we have on this game, like the Retro Gamer issue I have in my room which has "Seiken Densetsu 3" all over its front cover. To me, it seems like "Trials of Mana" is just a specific version, a specific release, of Seiken Densetsu 3. Moreover, this will help out greatly with disambiguation with the remake coming out. I don't see any reason for this article to be titled "Trials of Mana" to be honest; I personally was barely aware this English-language release of the game even existed... ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 09:21, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
If ... reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well. As per sources provided by the nominator and noted by Maplestrip, sources written after the name change continue to use the established name Seiken Densetsu 3 for the 1995 game. Thus, we should continue to do so as well. Note to discussion closer: if this is closed as "no consensus", this article should be moved back to Seiken Densetsu 3, which had been the stable title for this article before it was unilaterally moved to its present title in June 2019, fourteen years after this article was created. feminist ( talk) 10:24, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
So, with the upcoming Trials of Mana re-release upon us, we'll have to figure out a way to approach the sources which contains the translated quotes and dialogue. Should we use the earlier fan translation or Square Enix's official English translations? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 22:41, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
The international Collection of Mana release of Trials of Mana was actually localized as a SNES game. Hidden inside the Switch game's data files is a group of SNES ROM files containing the localized versions of the game. These localized ROM files will actually run if played on a SNES (using a flash cart, etc.). In other words, instead of reworking the game into a Switch game then translating that, Square actually localized the SNES ROM then put it into a SNES emulator. But I can't put this information on the main page, because I don't have a source on it. -- Myria ( talk) 17:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC)