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I have found and added five relevant Wiki Categories for this article; with "Good Intentions," I will now remove the Categorization tag. We can all discuss this here, on the talk page. By the way--I would love it if this list could be expanded. What were U.S. Vice Presidents called? Al Gore once joked on the David Letterman Show that he was so boring that, "My Secret Service codename is Al Gore." ProfessorPaul 02:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I added a few from a book I have ( I like "cobweb" and "pacemaker")...I hope I sourced it right. I'm also wanting to see this article expand, but we should make sure that everything is properly sourced. I also want to find something on the practice of the names, whether the people involved get a say in them, just how secret are they, and so on. I also tried to make it clear a lot of these names aren't in use anymore. -- UsaSatsui 04:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I've read online the suggestion "Phoenix." (Really don't see how it could be beat, since it analogizes so well with his having been a Navy flyer, being from Arizona, and rising from the dead during the campaign.)-- Justmeherenow ( talk) 20:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I added a couple of images to illustrate some of the people in question. 3 images is probably a good number. I'm still kind of a "noob" with images, so feel free to fix my mistakes if I made any, or put in some different images if you don't like my choices (the one of the Clintons I mostly used because it demonstrated 4 people, so I'd like to keep that one in at least). I wouldn't add any more images, though, 3 seems like a good number. I tried to find one "fictional" example, but I couldn't find any non fair use images for it (an image in this article doesn't seem like fair use to me). -- UsaSatsui ( talk) 21:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Can we get rid of the fictional stuff? DJ Clayworth ( talk) 20:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I suspect (but can't confirm) that one of the two codenames for former first lady Barbara Bush should be attached to the younger Barbara Bush, twin of Jenna Bush. Anyone else have a way of determining this? JamesLucas ( " " / +) 18:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Why on Earth are these codenames public knowledge? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.26.111.99 ( talk) 22:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering the same thing? Chimeradave Nov. 11, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.105.225.29 ( talk) 23:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
A huge number of these codenames seem to come from one website www.2600.com . This does not appear to be a reliable organisation, and I propose that anything solely referenced by this website is removed. DJ Clayworth ( talk) 15:11, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
William Manchester's The Death of a President has a good list of codenames for people and locations used in late 1963; he had interviewed many Secret Service agents, including some who had left the service, so the list is no doubt reliable. He gives Castle as codename for the White House, Crown for the Capitol and Charcoal for the president's temporary office rooms/base when not at Washington. Does anyone have sources for other codenames that have been used for the White House (it would change now and then) and other high-profile locations? Strausszek November 14, 08.32(CET)
Notice that at least in thge 1960s, Castle'denoted all of the White House while Crown was the central part, the representative spaces. Strausszek 23:26, November 24, 2008 (CET) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:31, 24 November 2008 (UTC).
Does anyone have references for the terms for the Cabinet Officers? Some of them seem rather odd. Naraht ( talk) 21:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
There's no reason for duplicate entries on the list...particularly when both Bill and Hillary had the same codenames even though they "qualify" for multiple positions on the list (as President/family and as Candidate/family). The question is where to list them. Bill should obviously be under President. Hillary, though, I'm for putting her as a "candidate" instead of a "family member". Seems more prestigious to me. Comments? -- UsaSatsui ( talk) 06:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Why does the photo caption say that one of his codenames was "Sawhorse," and the main article say that it was "Sundance," with no mention of any other? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.225.22.48 ( talk) 03:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Marian Robinson, Barack Obama's Mother-in-law is moving into the White House with the Obamas. (last parent of President or First Lady in the White House were in the Eisenhower and Truman administrations) I would guess then that as a close family member, she would receive a codename and that it would be appropriate for the article. Has anyone seen anything? Naraht ( talk) 14:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
That wasn't seriously Al's daughter's name, was it? Quite unfortunate (yet hilarious) if it was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.121.64.48 ( talk) 01:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't consider NNDB to be a trustworthy source, working on backing it up with other references and eventually deleting it. Naraht ( talk) 16:09, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Should this include the use by the Secret Service of "Mrs Johnson" for Lucy Rutherford? https://books.google.com/books?id=gvskicb_UTsC&pg=PA163&lpg=PA163&dq=%22secret+service%22+fdr+%22mrs+johnson%22&source=bl&ots=8DCFmBs-sX&sig=KMpnzPC2r7aXqxq5cW4nwNazWGs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBWoVChMIg5jahYqHyQIViaw-Ch3FeAzU#v=onepage&q=%22secret%20service%22%20fdr%20%22mrs%20johnson%22&f=false and other sources... Naraht ( talk) 00:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Any idea on how to determine which of the two references (which definitely contradict) is correct?
The Life in the White House book by Robert P. Watson on page 125 cites to a 1994 London Times article. Oh, Brother! Clinton Fears the Next Gaffe (14 October, 1994), by Geordie Greig for the premise that "By the time that Bill Clinton had been installed as the forty-second President of the United States, the Secret Service had already given his half-brother Roger a code name: Headache." I cannot find a copy of the original article, so it's hard to assess whether Greig was being facetious.
On the other hand, the other cited source, Inside the White House by Ronald Kessler, on page 73 specifically acknowledges the claim of the code name and says that it's not true; that Roger was not under Secret Service protection and would not be assigned a code name.
Watson is a professor and author who has written a number of books, some of them about politics; but on the other hand Kessler is an author whose specialty is agencies such as the Secret Service, CIA and FBI. Given the conflict I think that Kessler is likely the better authority. I suspect that Greig just missed a joke, or that Watson missed Grieg's. A number of sources (e.g. [1]) call it a "nickname," which sounds about right.
Even if we can't determine which author was correct, the mere fact that it can't be authenticated means it should not be in the article. I'm going to be WP:bold and remove it. TJRC ( talk) 02:15, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
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Robert Kennedy is conspicuous by his absence from the list here, all the more strikingly so since his wife Ethel is included (and because he was assassinated). Could someone please find out what codenames were used for him? He must have had different ones as attorney general and as a presidential candidate in his last year.
Also, his nemesis J. Edgar Hoover? :) 83.254.130.21 ( talk) 22:25, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
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I have found and added five relevant Wiki Categories for this article; with "Good Intentions," I will now remove the Categorization tag. We can all discuss this here, on the talk page. By the way--I would love it if this list could be expanded. What were U.S. Vice Presidents called? Al Gore once joked on the David Letterman Show that he was so boring that, "My Secret Service codename is Al Gore." ProfessorPaul 02:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I added a few from a book I have ( I like "cobweb" and "pacemaker")...I hope I sourced it right. I'm also wanting to see this article expand, but we should make sure that everything is properly sourced. I also want to find something on the practice of the names, whether the people involved get a say in them, just how secret are they, and so on. I also tried to make it clear a lot of these names aren't in use anymore. -- UsaSatsui 04:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I've read online the suggestion "Phoenix." (Really don't see how it could be beat, since it analogizes so well with his having been a Navy flyer, being from Arizona, and rising from the dead during the campaign.)-- Justmeherenow ( talk) 20:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I added a couple of images to illustrate some of the people in question. 3 images is probably a good number. I'm still kind of a "noob" with images, so feel free to fix my mistakes if I made any, or put in some different images if you don't like my choices (the one of the Clintons I mostly used because it demonstrated 4 people, so I'd like to keep that one in at least). I wouldn't add any more images, though, 3 seems like a good number. I tried to find one "fictional" example, but I couldn't find any non fair use images for it (an image in this article doesn't seem like fair use to me). -- UsaSatsui ( talk) 21:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Can we get rid of the fictional stuff? DJ Clayworth ( talk) 20:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I suspect (but can't confirm) that one of the two codenames for former first lady Barbara Bush should be attached to the younger Barbara Bush, twin of Jenna Bush. Anyone else have a way of determining this? JamesLucas ( " " / +) 18:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Why on Earth are these codenames public knowledge? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.26.111.99 ( talk) 22:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering the same thing? Chimeradave Nov. 11, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.105.225.29 ( talk) 23:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
A huge number of these codenames seem to come from one website www.2600.com . This does not appear to be a reliable organisation, and I propose that anything solely referenced by this website is removed. DJ Clayworth ( talk) 15:11, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
William Manchester's The Death of a President has a good list of codenames for people and locations used in late 1963; he had interviewed many Secret Service agents, including some who had left the service, so the list is no doubt reliable. He gives Castle as codename for the White House, Crown for the Capitol and Charcoal for the president's temporary office rooms/base when not at Washington. Does anyone have sources for other codenames that have been used for the White House (it would change now and then) and other high-profile locations? Strausszek November 14, 08.32(CET)
Notice that at least in thge 1960s, Castle'denoted all of the White House while Crown was the central part, the representative spaces. Strausszek 23:26, November 24, 2008 (CET) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:31, 24 November 2008 (UTC).
Does anyone have references for the terms for the Cabinet Officers? Some of them seem rather odd. Naraht ( talk) 21:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
There's no reason for duplicate entries on the list...particularly when both Bill and Hillary had the same codenames even though they "qualify" for multiple positions on the list (as President/family and as Candidate/family). The question is where to list them. Bill should obviously be under President. Hillary, though, I'm for putting her as a "candidate" instead of a "family member". Seems more prestigious to me. Comments? -- UsaSatsui ( talk) 06:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Why does the photo caption say that one of his codenames was "Sawhorse," and the main article say that it was "Sundance," with no mention of any other? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.225.22.48 ( talk) 03:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Marian Robinson, Barack Obama's Mother-in-law is moving into the White House with the Obamas. (last parent of President or First Lady in the White House were in the Eisenhower and Truman administrations) I would guess then that as a close family member, she would receive a codename and that it would be appropriate for the article. Has anyone seen anything? Naraht ( talk) 14:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
That wasn't seriously Al's daughter's name, was it? Quite unfortunate (yet hilarious) if it was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.121.64.48 ( talk) 01:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't consider NNDB to be a trustworthy source, working on backing it up with other references and eventually deleting it. Naraht ( talk) 16:09, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Should this include the use by the Secret Service of "Mrs Johnson" for Lucy Rutherford? https://books.google.com/books?id=gvskicb_UTsC&pg=PA163&lpg=PA163&dq=%22secret+service%22+fdr+%22mrs+johnson%22&source=bl&ots=8DCFmBs-sX&sig=KMpnzPC2r7aXqxq5cW4nwNazWGs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBWoVChMIg5jahYqHyQIViaw-Ch3FeAzU#v=onepage&q=%22secret%20service%22%20fdr%20%22mrs%20johnson%22&f=false and other sources... Naraht ( talk) 00:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Any idea on how to determine which of the two references (which definitely contradict) is correct?
The Life in the White House book by Robert P. Watson on page 125 cites to a 1994 London Times article. Oh, Brother! Clinton Fears the Next Gaffe (14 October, 1994), by Geordie Greig for the premise that "By the time that Bill Clinton had been installed as the forty-second President of the United States, the Secret Service had already given his half-brother Roger a code name: Headache." I cannot find a copy of the original article, so it's hard to assess whether Greig was being facetious.
On the other hand, the other cited source, Inside the White House by Ronald Kessler, on page 73 specifically acknowledges the claim of the code name and says that it's not true; that Roger was not under Secret Service protection and would not be assigned a code name.
Watson is a professor and author who has written a number of books, some of them about politics; but on the other hand Kessler is an author whose specialty is agencies such as the Secret Service, CIA and FBI. Given the conflict I think that Kessler is likely the better authority. I suspect that Greig just missed a joke, or that Watson missed Grieg's. A number of sources (e.g. [1]) call it a "nickname," which sounds about right.
Even if we can't determine which author was correct, the mere fact that it can't be authenticated means it should not be in the article. I'm going to be WP:bold and remove it. TJRC ( talk) 02:15, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
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Robert Kennedy is conspicuous by his absence from the list here, all the more strikingly so since his wife Ethel is included (and because he was assassinated). Could someone please find out what codenames were used for him? He must have had different ones as attorney general and as a presidential candidate in his last year.
Also, his nemesis J. Edgar Hoover? :) 83.254.130.21 ( talk) 22:25, 27 August 2018 (UTC)