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Should this article be renamed to Secessionism in Western Australia given it has more to do with the sentiment than an active movement?-- cj | talk 03:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
There's no mention of the use of his sunday newspaper 'The Independent' for his argument SatuSuro 11:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
One of the three original 1933 secession petitions - the one that went to the House of Lords I think - is apparently on display at the Constitution Centre in West Perth. I'll try to get out there sometime to grab a piccy. -- I@n ≡ talk 03:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Can anybody provide reference to the actual articles that suggest secessionism has re-emerged?
Given one of the major arguments given in support of secessionism is the economic one, could someone maybe give details on how much WA contributes to the national economy, and a per capita comparison with other states?{{unsigned}144.138.104.64}}
I had posted this back it Feb 2007 on the Western Australia Talk page, although it is some 12 months out of date. It might be worth persuing the WA Treasury web links to get updated info if you want to persue this line of expansion to the article.
Whatever the foregoing the real figures are contained here where you'll see that the true picture far exceeds what some in the Eastern States think we dream up. Unfortunately most of the wealth that the Commonwealth collects from WA isn't from Income Tax nor GST, so to quote the Grants Commission figures actually hides the truth. Much easier to see the picture when you look at the Treasury website "In 2003-04, it was estimated that Western Australia received $196 million more in GST revenue grants than the amount of GST that was raised in Western Australia. However, when all Australian Government revenues and expenditures are taken into account, the Australian Government raised around $3 billion more in taxes and other revenues from Western Australia than it returned to Western Australia in expenditures." [1] "In per capita terms, Western Australia’s contribution is substantially larger than the other two contributors, New South Wales and Victoria (the other States are all net recipients). Western Australia’s net fiscal subsidy to the Federation has grown substantially over the last two decades, coinciding with the boom in petroleum production (including LNG) and the emergence of Western Australia as a force in the Australian economy generally." [2]
Petedavo talk contributions 09:24, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
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If western australia secedes from Australia,they should make it into a country in its own right-- Poodleman 05:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
You sounded as if you wanted to say something then changed your mind-- Poodleman 20:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
So... basically the talk page is for dicussing the main article only and not any of it's branches?-- Poodleman 00:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe the following link is incorrect:
This is incorrect because the Liberal Party as of 1933 is not the same entity as the Liberal Party of Australia as founded by Menzies during WWII. -- B.D.Mills ( T, C) 02:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
The British House of Commons set up a high-powered committee to consider the issue but after 18 months of negotiations and lobbying, finally refused to consider the matter, ...
Its 80 years since 1933 referendum article on it in the west Gnan garra 14:42, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
No mention on the page of the 1995 constitutional committee setup by the court government to examine the matter? Adondai ( talk) 06:52, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
i suggest that this page needs some kind of discussion about the nature of supposed successionist movements in the second half of the twentieth century that appear to be a particularly Western Australian form of political protest against the commonwealth as opposed to any serious proposal to split from the federation. Adondai ( talk) 06:55, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
I have removed a number of sentences from the start of this article that attempt to draw a connection between the WA border closure in response to the COVID pandemic; and the secession movement.
It may indeed be the case that interest in secession has been revived following the hard border closure; and that may justify a sub-paragraph later in the piece. However any assertion along those lines needs better backing through citation than an editorialized connection drawn by an interested party. Jack4576 ( talk) 03:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
@ JarrahTree: My rationale for removing the 80th anniversary section was that it did not appear to be very important. Now looking at the sources, I can see there is even less reason for this section to remain. The first two sources make no mention of The West Australian, the second source was created before the 80th anniversary (archive goes back to 2007, wikipedia footnote says 2000) so I don't see how it can even apply to the material it is used to reference, and the third is a permanent dead link (It doesn't seem likely to be a useful reference for this section as it is probably just results of the referendum). That leaves the first reference, which is just a short article. I don't think it is not worthy of mentioning whenever a website or media outlet writes an article on the referendum. Steelkamp ( talk) 05:42, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Regardless of that, I still do not think it is worth removing - the lack of a reason to remain may fit in your way of understanding wikipedia works, I consider that the components of the issues that surround the subject and the issues however tenuous deserve to remain. If the capacity to have journalists and politicians attempting sollipsistic usage of the term every time a politician passes wind that has the hint of the word even smelling of secession, then the article is the place for those effusions - it is a subject that is bigger than the article - and as such worthiness is missing the point of the movement (of separating from the tothersiders) in my opinion from the historical and political perspective - well worth leaving in regardless of how slight or ephemeral it might seem. JarrahTree 05:51, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
are this movement For or against CoVid Regime? Lovemankind83 ( talk) 03:35, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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Should this article be renamed to Secessionism in Western Australia given it has more to do with the sentiment than an active movement?-- cj | talk 03:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
There's no mention of the use of his sunday newspaper 'The Independent' for his argument SatuSuro 11:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
One of the three original 1933 secession petitions - the one that went to the House of Lords I think - is apparently on display at the Constitution Centre in West Perth. I'll try to get out there sometime to grab a piccy. -- I@n ≡ talk 03:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Can anybody provide reference to the actual articles that suggest secessionism has re-emerged?
Given one of the major arguments given in support of secessionism is the economic one, could someone maybe give details on how much WA contributes to the national economy, and a per capita comparison with other states?{{unsigned}144.138.104.64}}
I had posted this back it Feb 2007 on the Western Australia Talk page, although it is some 12 months out of date. It might be worth persuing the WA Treasury web links to get updated info if you want to persue this line of expansion to the article.
Whatever the foregoing the real figures are contained here where you'll see that the true picture far exceeds what some in the Eastern States think we dream up. Unfortunately most of the wealth that the Commonwealth collects from WA isn't from Income Tax nor GST, so to quote the Grants Commission figures actually hides the truth. Much easier to see the picture when you look at the Treasury website "In 2003-04, it was estimated that Western Australia received $196 million more in GST revenue grants than the amount of GST that was raised in Western Australia. However, when all Australian Government revenues and expenditures are taken into account, the Australian Government raised around $3 billion more in taxes and other revenues from Western Australia than it returned to Western Australia in expenditures." [1] "In per capita terms, Western Australia’s contribution is substantially larger than the other two contributors, New South Wales and Victoria (the other States are all net recipients). Western Australia’s net fiscal subsidy to the Federation has grown substantially over the last two decades, coinciding with the boom in petroleum production (including LNG) and the emergence of Western Australia as a force in the Australian economy generally." [2]
Petedavo talk contributions 09:24, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
References
If western australia secedes from Australia,they should make it into a country in its own right-- Poodleman 05:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
You sounded as if you wanted to say something then changed your mind-- Poodleman 20:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
So... basically the talk page is for dicussing the main article only and not any of it's branches?-- Poodleman 00:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe the following link is incorrect:
This is incorrect because the Liberal Party as of 1933 is not the same entity as the Liberal Party of Australia as founded by Menzies during WWII. -- B.D.Mills ( T, C) 02:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
The British House of Commons set up a high-powered committee to consider the issue but after 18 months of negotiations and lobbying, finally refused to consider the matter, ...
Its 80 years since 1933 referendum article on it in the west Gnan garra 14:42, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
No mention on the page of the 1995 constitutional committee setup by the court government to examine the matter? Adondai ( talk) 06:52, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
i suggest that this page needs some kind of discussion about the nature of supposed successionist movements in the second half of the twentieth century that appear to be a particularly Western Australian form of political protest against the commonwealth as opposed to any serious proposal to split from the federation. Adondai ( talk) 06:55, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
I have removed a number of sentences from the start of this article that attempt to draw a connection between the WA border closure in response to the COVID pandemic; and the secession movement.
It may indeed be the case that interest in secession has been revived following the hard border closure; and that may justify a sub-paragraph later in the piece. However any assertion along those lines needs better backing through citation than an editorialized connection drawn by an interested party. Jack4576 ( talk) 03:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
@ JarrahTree: My rationale for removing the 80th anniversary section was that it did not appear to be very important. Now looking at the sources, I can see there is even less reason for this section to remain. The first two sources make no mention of The West Australian, the second source was created before the 80th anniversary (archive goes back to 2007, wikipedia footnote says 2000) so I don't see how it can even apply to the material it is used to reference, and the third is a permanent dead link (It doesn't seem likely to be a useful reference for this section as it is probably just results of the referendum). That leaves the first reference, which is just a short article. I don't think it is not worthy of mentioning whenever a website or media outlet writes an article on the referendum. Steelkamp ( talk) 05:42, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Regardless of that, I still do not think it is worth removing - the lack of a reason to remain may fit in your way of understanding wikipedia works, I consider that the components of the issues that surround the subject and the issues however tenuous deserve to remain. If the capacity to have journalists and politicians attempting sollipsistic usage of the term every time a politician passes wind that has the hint of the word even smelling of secession, then the article is the place for those effusions - it is a subject that is bigger than the article - and as such worthiness is missing the point of the movement (of separating from the tothersiders) in my opinion from the historical and political perspective - well worth leaving in regardless of how slight or ephemeral it might seem. JarrahTree 05:51, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
are this movement For or against CoVid Regime? Lovemankind83 ( talk) 03:35, 12 March 2023 (UTC)