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Ok. Here is the text that is being removed:
"Sebastian Gorka's mother Susan worked closely as a translator with David Irving, the discredited historian described by a judge as a "Holocaust denier … anti-Semitic and racist, and that he associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism"."
Here is what the source says:
"In the 1980s, Sebastian Gorka's mother, Susan Gorka, worked as a translator for David Irving, the discredited British historian who caused outrage by suggesting the Holocaust did not happen, or was at least greatly exaggerated.
A British judge ruled in 2000 that Irving was a "Holocaust denier … anti-Semitic and racist, and that he associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism." And in 2006, he was sentenced to three years in prison in Austria on charges of denying the Holocaust.
Irving wrote an email to NBC News describing his warm working relationship with Susan Gorka."
So why is this being removed? Volunteer Marek ( talk) 07:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
john k ( talk) 14:06, 27 November 2017 (UTC)The second book was Uprising!, about the 1956 revolt in Hungary, which Irving characterised as "primarily an anti-Jewish uprising", supposedly because the Communist regime was itself controlled by Jews. Irving's depiction of Hungary's Communist regime as a Jewish dictatorship oppressing Gentiles sparked charges of antisemitism.[51] In addition, there were complaints that Irving had grossly exaggerated the number of people of Jewish origin in the Communist regime and had ignored the fact that Hungarian Communists who did have a Jewish background like Mátyás Rákosi and Ernő Gerő had totally repudiated Judaism and sometimes expressed antisemitic attitudes themselves.[52] Critics such as Neal Ascherson and Kai Bird took issue with some of Irving's language that seemed to evoke antisemitic imagery, such as his remark that Rákosi possessed "the tact of a kosher butcher".[51]
Can someone add in Dr Gorka's Hungarian name - if it is relevant?
Some old articles reference that alternative name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.32.138 ( talk) 10:27, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
This article is about Sebastian Gorka. The mini-biography added to this article about his wife after the article about her was deleted by Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katharine Gorka seems out of place. Toddst1 ( talk) 17:34, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Is it OK, that we have an article, which focuses more on the criticism of Gorka than his own views in the Order of Vitéz and the Hungarian Guard sections?Is it OK that he and his mother are completely mixed up with Nazis and my efforts to give due weight to all of these are reverted without explanation?-- Ltbuni ( talk) 11:51, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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This edit converted Gorka's infobox from 'officeholder' to 'person' on the argument that 'Deputy Assistant to the President' is a (quite widely held; 28 the editor said) rank not an office. While I see there's considerable back and forth documented here about his place in the White House I think it's wrong to call him 'not an officeholder' at this time. I favor restoring officeholder infobox. Swliv ( talk) 12:45, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
There was originally a section on the arrest of Gorka at an airport because he tried to carry a gun on to a plane. The statement was backed by a story in the Washington Post. It seems like odd content to remove considering that Gorka sells himself as a security expert. 2601:1C0:6D02:27C0:F9A9:6A41:2C00:966D ( talk) 22:03, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
I've removed this from the section. Nothing in it addresses questions over his academic credentials: all it is a bunch of people stating they like what he says. The section is not like a Reception area of a film or TV article where you have critics reprenting positive or negative. It's got to be relevant. This material (some of it, all of it, I don't know) may belong somewhere else in the article, but not where it was:
ZarhanFastfire ( talk) 05:00, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
FWIW, Wikipedia reports that George Schöpflin does not have a doctoral degree; he has an MA and LLB. MarkBernstein ( talk) 19:17, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
OK, I think, everybody had the opportunity to make his/her remarks. I think this is getting out of controll, while this whole thing is much ado about nothing. So, I propose the following: 1. I would like to insert into the text, that and "one of the referees, George Schöpflin, former professor of London School of Economics had published with Gorka previously -- a breach of conventional academic practices."
2. I suggest the creation of another subsection in the "controversy" part, where we could reinsert the text which ZarhanFastfire deleted. It could be named as Support for Gorka or whatever.
3. The phd issue of Schöpflin is off topic here - he was a former professor, regardless of whether he had a phd or not. We could move this debate to the Bio of Schöpflin.
Do You agree or not or have other proposal?-- Ltbuni ( talk) 11:23, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Did Schöpflin hold the title of Professor at the London School of Economics? According to Wikipedia, he was a Lecturer; we’d require a reliable source to say otherwise.
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I would like to ask the editors to present the text they propose - obviously, if anyone does not want any change, just write that the actual version can stay or whatever. -- Ltbuni ( talk) 19:00, 28 August 2017 (UTC) My version: "George Schöpflin, former professor of London School of Economics had published with Gorka previously -- a breach of conventional academic practices." In the footnotes: this and this and this as reliable sources concerning his professorship.
User:Emir of Wikipedia: For this page it is irrelevant if he was a former professor or not if a reliable source doesn't link it to Gorka. Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 17:04, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
User:MarkBernstein: The only source that comes close to being reliable here is the LSE page for honorary or emeritus professors. It appears clear that Schöpflin was at one time a Lecturer, and that he (and perhaps others) are using “Professor” here as a courtesy title – a custom common in the United States but not, as I understand it, in Britain. MarkBernstein ( talk) 22:08, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
User:Nomoskedasticity:
User:Snooganssnoogans:
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There is no evidence that a "Kokkalis Fellow" position ever existed at the Harvard Kennedy School, and the only references to the existence of such a position on the internet derive from or reference Gorka's autobiographical claim. Archived pages [3] from Harvard KSG at that time show that a scholarship program was offered under that name, which supported the pursuit of a Master's degree, which Gorka did not apparently receive. "The Socrates Kokkalis Program at Harvard University offers scholarships leading to a Master's degree in Public Policy or Public Administration..." A fellow position and a scholarship are distinct in academic parlance. A scholarship supports a student's tuition, whereas a fellow is typically a credentialed academic or otherwise qualified professional. It's unclear whether Gorka was ever enrolled in a Master's degree program at Harvard that such a scholarship would have supported, and no independent source even addresses that claim. Nevertheless, he does not claim to have a degree from Harvard. According to an archived page, the Kokkalis Program exclusively offered scholarships [4], and no fellow position is mentioned on any archived page. I therefore suggest editing the sentence associated with this credential claim.
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was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).and has ties to the alt-right.[6] The first citation is an opinion piece from WaPo. If you use an opinion piece as fact, you're going to lose credibility. The next three citations are all articles about Bannon with one or two lines of opinion and/or speculation added about Gorka. They're basically a rehash of the same unsubstantiated claims of "ties to the alt-right". That section is written more like a character assassination than a bio. I would really like to see
DknightInFV ( talk) 04:21, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
... are more factual or solid citations/references. Gorka allegedly has ties to "Historical Vitézi Rend",but not to alt-right groups as suggested.
DknightInFV ( talk) 04:25, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
(April 26 2018): Why is this sentence still in the article? It is based on opinion pieces and non relevant pieces.
“Various national security scholars in academic and policymaking circles have characterized Gorka as fringe.”
The above sentence is listed in your article. That is the very DEFINITION of “weasel words” nonsense. Please cite these “Various national security scholars in academic and policymaking circles”...
This is basic... Jepin81 ( talk) 01:40, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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I am proposing a change to the career section. The first two sentences of the last paragraph should be moved up to the previous paragraph so that the timeline will be sequential. They should be moved so that they are after the fourth sentence of that third paragraph. The 2009 to 2013 dates would then be before the 2014 date that is mentioned in the fifth sentence of that third paragraph.
Also I am proposing that the last sentence of the last paragraph should be moved up to the previous paragraph for the same reason. It should be moved so that it is before the sixth sentence of that third paragraph. The 2014 to 2016 dates would then be before the August/2016 date that is mentioned in the sixth sentence of that third paragraph. Wikiperson777 ( talk) 14:03, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
I have a possible solution to the dispute over inclusion of the innuendo from critics in Sebastian Gorka's biography. First, pull up fellow Hungarian born George Soros' wikipedia biography, which reads as if it was collaborated on by the man's mother and PR rep. Second, make sure that both Soros' and Gorka's biographies have the same tone and adherence to verification. If nothing that is not absolutely verified is allowed on Soros' page, then nothing that is not absolutely verified should be allowed on Gorka's page. If Gorka's page includes nazi conspiracy theories, then so should Soros' <redacted>. Adhere to the same principals for both biographies and the disputes should settle themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjekoken ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
The article claims that Gorka worked at the Hungarian Ministry of Defense commencing 1992. Only one source is provided and that is to a Hungarian language news service which does not appear to be a reliable source. Given that there is a suspicion that Gorka himself (or someone close) edits at this article, I feel there ought to be better sourcing. It's noteworthy I think that Gorka's LinkedIn entry, which is otherwise very detailed, doesn't list it as a position held, and in fact there is a gap in his CV 1992 - 1995.
The period in question coincides with the Bosnian Civil War. Any sources linking Gorka with that? 209.160.121.72 ( talk) 19:59, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Gorka's birth date and parental history were sourced by primary sources (a vague apparent reference to court records) and an unreliable database ( [5], which states "We make no warranty whatsoever as to the accuracy or completeness of the FreeBMD data") in violation of WP:DOB and WP:BLPPRIMARY "Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. Unless these facts are widely reported in reliable sources, they should be removed immediately." Thus, I have removed the poorly sourced info. Even if true, they violate WP:BLP. --Animalparty! ( talk) 22:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Look, it's one thing to put the quotes and the accusations of ties to historical Nazism. However, this page should be removed from the official category. This is a serious smear and surely not up to Wikipedia's standards for categorization without legitimate confirmation. Hardloop ( talk) 21:45, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Obviously I'm not going to edit ... but this section
During his time in the Trump administration, Gorka gave a series of combative interviews with the press in which he defended the administration's positions on national security and foreign policy. Various national security scholars in academic and policymaking circles have characterized Gorka as fringe. Some critics have challenged his academic credentials, his views on Islam and radicalization—as well as his motives for identifying with the Order of Vitéz or supporting the EU-banned Hungarian Guard.
has zero citations and seems somewhat lacking in NPOV as a result. You guys sort it out.
119.18.15.193 ( talk) 06:07, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
2601:248:8300:3C30:8178:B16A:7A56:95B9 ( talk) 02:36, 5 August 2018 (UTC)Typical Wikipedia left-wing hatchet job.
A sentence sourced to The Daily Beast [6] about Gorka's 'ban' from Fox News' hard news programming was deleted with the justification "Removing per WP:NOTNEWS, WP:TRIVIA, and WP:CRYSTAL - this is not encyclopedic content, it's gossip" [7]. Again, the content is reliably sourced and is helpful to readers, as it makes clear that Gorka appears on Fox's opinion shows, but not its hard news programs. This is an important distinction. At the very least, the content could be attributed to The Daily Beast. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 19:12, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Is this content going to get re-added or what? No substantive reason has been presented why for why we should not note that Gorka appears on Fox News' opinion shows but not its hard news shows. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 20:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
"One only need look at the case of Sebastian Gorka to see just how far and how petty the media has gone to act as the enforcer of the administrative state. Some in the intelligence community and partisan bureaucracy viewed Gorka unfavorably, resulting in an organized campaign in the press against him."
"The magazine Forward began running poorly sourced articles tying Gorka to a Hungarian order of merit called the Vitézi Rend, which, during World War II, had factions that supported the Hungarian dictator Horthy, the Imperial House of Habsburg, and the Nazi party. Despite no clear evidence, Forward labeled Gorka, in essence, a Nazi. The media ran with that narrative, bolstered by activist campaigns by partisans of the Democratic Party and those opposed to Gorka in the intelligence community."
"In truth, the real objection to Gorka was his view of Islam as a civilizational confrontation and of radical Islam as a hostile force against the West. There as yet remains no evidence of Gorka or his father being tied to the Nazi party in any way — yet that did not stop journalists from surmising on social media that Gorka’s immigration to the United States and status as a U.S. citizen should have been blocked and should be revoked." [1]
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Can someone put www.sebgorka.com on here? -- 2001:8003:4181:4A00:4D2B:AC9C:5456:63A2 ( talk) 09:54, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
I think the nationality as listed in the lede is inaccurate and possibly misleading. Gorka isn't British born, he is a British citizen and has been since birth. He has been an Anglo-Hungarian for 49 years. He was educated in the UK and served in the British military. He has only held additional US citizenship since 2012. It seems clear that his British and Hungarian citizenship are the most important to highlight as he has held them both since birth. He is as British as he is Hungarian. There are several ways this could be expressed.
- Sebastian Lukács Gorka is an Anglo-Hungarian military and intelligence analyst who became a naturalised US citizen in 2012 - Sebastian Lukács Gorka is a British/Hungarian/American military and intelligence analyst - Sebastian Lukács Gorka is a military and intelligence analyst who holds British, Hungarian and US citizenship
Sue De Nimes ( talk) 18:46, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Seconded, Gorka was born, educated in the UK and even joined the UK territorial army; he should I believe therefore be credited as "Anglo American", or if his parentage affords him Hungarian citizenship, then credit him "Anglo/Hungarian American", but clearly his primary citizenship was British, and since 2012 is now US. Indieshack ( talk) 12:47, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
== I agree with the previous comment. The information on Gorka's background is totally confusing. The page says nothing about how he supposedly became a naturalized US citizen. Update this page with this information. It's disturbing that this page exists with information that presently is obviously questionable. 113.53.156.143 ( talk) 00:08, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
This person's page shows absolutely no logical reason why this person should have been considered for natualization. Did he get special treatment at some point? The page shows no connection to the US other than his marrying an America woman prior to his recieving citizenship in 2007. There must be more background information about him. Please update. 203.131.210.82 ( talk) 02:15, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Spouses of US citizens qualify for permanent resident status as immediate relatives. They may become naturalized citizens after three years as a permanent resident. https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/citizenship-through-naturalization/naturalization-spouses-us-citizens — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.98.118.108 ( talk) 12:51, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Just a very minor correction the previous comment which otherwise looks good, "They may become naturalized citizens after three years as a permanent resident" I would just correct to "They may apply to become naturalized citizens after three years as a permanent resident". I know. semantics but it's possibly relevant in the broader picture since Dr. Gorka would have needed to actively apply for citizenship based on being the husband of a US citizen, then pass the citizen's test - it's not a passive process that automatically occurs after three years. Indieshack ( talk) 04:49, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
I understand why some people desire to paint Gorka in a bad light, but I more strenuously object to factual misrepresentation. The last sentence of the intro ends by alleging that Gorka is supporting a banned organization, which he has never done: "Some critics have challenged his . . . supporting the EU-banned Hungarian Guard." The sentence uses a present tense participle with an ongoing, durative sense; i.e., it says that he is now supporting a banned organization. But Gorka did not support a banned organization; two years before it was banned, he gave limited support overtly withholding support for its questionable leadership. Yet propagandists would benefit from misinforming people with the untruthful implication that Gorka supported a banned organization, so the sentence saying it would be defended without concern for truthfulness. I made a very minor edit correcting the incorrect assertion: "supporting the Hungarian Guard years before the EU-banned it." But this correction of an error was immediately undone by User Snooganssnoogans, who seems to have requested an entry on this talk page even though I had explained the simple issue of removing false information by making it correct. So I want the sentence to be corrected so that it no longer falsely says that a banned organization is being (or ever has been) supported by Gorka. Even though it is not sexy enough for those desiring a juicy slur, it is only correct to say that Gorka supported a group with a caveat two years before it was banned. Olorin3k ( talk) 01:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
In an August 2017 interview with MSNBC, Gorka claimed a bomb attack on a Minnesota mosque could have been a false flag operation by unspecified "leftists." https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/08/trump-official-gorka-derided-mosque-attack-claim-170809071507801.html
Two of the perpetrators pled guilty to the attack in January 2019. They were members of a right-wing militia group. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46999849
Suggest adding this information to the article in light of reports Gorka may be taking a leadership role at the Voice of America. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/media/voice-of-america-top-officials-resign/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.98.118.108 ( talk) 09:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
It needs to be noted that the negative reports about this man are from Liberals who dislike his politics. These are not fair edits and WIKIPEDIA needs to make note of this! I try to edit but am blocked. I support WIKI monthly but I’m evaluating my support. Ritakc ( talk) 00:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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Change:- "and received a lower second-class honours (2:2) Bachelor of Arts degree in philosophy and theology from Heythrop College, of the University of London."
To:- "and received a lower second-class honours (2:2) Bachelor of Arts degree in philosophy and theology from Heythrop College, which was a constituent college of the University of London for 47 years before it formally terminated operations on 31 January 2019."
Ref:- /info/en/?search=Heythrop_College,_University_of_London 73.63.182.46 ( talk) 00:37, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
I have some issues with the following sentence in the current lead: "Gorka has written for a variety of publications, is politically conservative[6][7] and has ties to the alt-right,[8][9] though he rejects the term, calling it "bogus" and "a new label for nationalists or irredentist bigots".[10]"
I would suggest either outright deleting the second half of the sentence or at the very least getting rid of the verbatim quotes (the latter would also solve the first issue).
EdgarAllanFrost ( talk) 18:03, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
To add to this article: in January 2022 Gorka sued to block a subpoena for his phone records related to the January 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol. Source 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 00:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
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Addition of criminal vehicular operation involving his Mustang ‘art war’. Proof of evidence will be submitted once edit owes missions are granted SunGodNeverForgets ( talk) 17:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
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Under the sections "Politics" the first word is a typo of the name. It says "Gora" and it should say "Gorka". Dheberer ( talk) 06:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Need better citations to make such broad overarching claims. OP-Ed pieces should not be used in this context. It’s completely speculative and opinion rooted. Citation in reference is 10.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/08/10/why-is-sebastian-gorka-still-in-the-white-house-because-trump-loves-his-tv-performances/ 2603:8000:3F01:90CD:F84D:81C8:42B0:C1BD ( talk) 06:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Expansion on who his parents were and particularly his dad would be helpful in the early life section. His dad was a spy who was tortured? Wrote a memoir? Also, his father's name is spelled in an Americanized version is much of the article but in Hungarian in another section. Perhaps we can note the alternative spellings and go with one or the other?
My other suggestion is to include more on his views on Israel. He is accused of affiliations with far-right groups but he also is noted and has supporters among Jews and Israelis for his support for the move of the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem and for his stand against radical Islamic threats. FloridaArmy ( talk) 13:49, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Fuck this guy! 24.139.40.116 ( talk) 08:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Edit ...
Kamala Harris ... "only Qualification was having a vagina and the right skin color"
https://www.nbcrightnow.com/national/morally-reprehensible-sebastian-gorka-sparks-furious-backlash-after-disgusting-kamala-harris-remark/video_d9138c25-c9e9-5b54-9360-45bc79b051bd.html 98.46.117.0 ( talk) 01:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
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Ok. Here is the text that is being removed:
"Sebastian Gorka's mother Susan worked closely as a translator with David Irving, the discredited historian described by a judge as a "Holocaust denier … anti-Semitic and racist, and that he associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism"."
Here is what the source says:
"In the 1980s, Sebastian Gorka's mother, Susan Gorka, worked as a translator for David Irving, the discredited British historian who caused outrage by suggesting the Holocaust did not happen, or was at least greatly exaggerated.
A British judge ruled in 2000 that Irving was a "Holocaust denier … anti-Semitic and racist, and that he associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism." And in 2006, he was sentenced to three years in prison in Austria on charges of denying the Holocaust.
Irving wrote an email to NBC News describing his warm working relationship with Susan Gorka."
So why is this being removed? Volunteer Marek ( talk) 07:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
john k ( talk) 14:06, 27 November 2017 (UTC)The second book was Uprising!, about the 1956 revolt in Hungary, which Irving characterised as "primarily an anti-Jewish uprising", supposedly because the Communist regime was itself controlled by Jews. Irving's depiction of Hungary's Communist regime as a Jewish dictatorship oppressing Gentiles sparked charges of antisemitism.[51] In addition, there were complaints that Irving had grossly exaggerated the number of people of Jewish origin in the Communist regime and had ignored the fact that Hungarian Communists who did have a Jewish background like Mátyás Rákosi and Ernő Gerő had totally repudiated Judaism and sometimes expressed antisemitic attitudes themselves.[52] Critics such as Neal Ascherson and Kai Bird took issue with some of Irving's language that seemed to evoke antisemitic imagery, such as his remark that Rákosi possessed "the tact of a kosher butcher".[51]
Can someone add in Dr Gorka's Hungarian name - if it is relevant?
Some old articles reference that alternative name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.32.138 ( talk) 10:27, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
This article is about Sebastian Gorka. The mini-biography added to this article about his wife after the article about her was deleted by Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katharine Gorka seems out of place. Toddst1 ( talk) 17:34, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Is it OK, that we have an article, which focuses more on the criticism of Gorka than his own views in the Order of Vitéz and the Hungarian Guard sections?Is it OK that he and his mother are completely mixed up with Nazis and my efforts to give due weight to all of these are reverted without explanation?-- Ltbuni ( talk) 11:51, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Ltbuni: RFCs are supposed to be neutrally worded, ask a clearly defined question, and be easy for someone unfamiliar with the topic to understand. This RFC will need to be reworded if you want it to be effective. Be specific about what content you object to and what changes you are proposing. And if I may suggest, you'd probably be better off taking this to WP:BLPN before resorting to an rfc. Fyddlestix ( talk) 12:37, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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-- Ltbuni ( talk) 13:13, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
This edit converted Gorka's infobox from 'officeholder' to 'person' on the argument that 'Deputy Assistant to the President' is a (quite widely held; 28 the editor said) rank not an office. While I see there's considerable back and forth documented here about his place in the White House I think it's wrong to call him 'not an officeholder' at this time. I favor restoring officeholder infobox. Swliv ( talk) 12:45, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
There was originally a section on the arrest of Gorka at an airport because he tried to carry a gun on to a plane. The statement was backed by a story in the Washington Post. It seems like odd content to remove considering that Gorka sells himself as a security expert. 2601:1C0:6D02:27C0:F9A9:6A41:2C00:966D ( talk) 22:03, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
I've removed this from the section. Nothing in it addresses questions over his academic credentials: all it is a bunch of people stating they like what he says. The section is not like a Reception area of a film or TV article where you have critics reprenting positive or negative. It's got to be relevant. This material (some of it, all of it, I don't know) may belong somewhere else in the article, but not where it was:
ZarhanFastfire ( talk) 05:00, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
FWIW, Wikipedia reports that George Schöpflin does not have a doctoral degree; he has an MA and LLB. MarkBernstein ( talk) 19:17, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
OK, I think, everybody had the opportunity to make his/her remarks. I think this is getting out of controll, while this whole thing is much ado about nothing. So, I propose the following: 1. I would like to insert into the text, that and "one of the referees, George Schöpflin, former professor of London School of Economics had published with Gorka previously -- a breach of conventional academic practices."
2. I suggest the creation of another subsection in the "controversy" part, where we could reinsert the text which ZarhanFastfire deleted. It could be named as Support for Gorka or whatever.
3. The phd issue of Schöpflin is off topic here - he was a former professor, regardless of whether he had a phd or not. We could move this debate to the Bio of Schöpflin.
Do You agree or not or have other proposal?-- Ltbuni ( talk) 11:23, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Did Schöpflin hold the title of Professor at the London School of Economics? According to Wikipedia, he was a Lecturer; we’d require a reliable source to say otherwise.
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I would like to ask the editors to present the text they propose - obviously, if anyone does not want any change, just write that the actual version can stay or whatever. -- Ltbuni ( talk) 19:00, 28 August 2017 (UTC) My version: "George Schöpflin, former professor of London School of Economics had published with Gorka previously -- a breach of conventional academic practices." In the footnotes: this and this and this as reliable sources concerning his professorship.
User:Emir of Wikipedia: For this page it is irrelevant if he was a former professor or not if a reliable source doesn't link it to Gorka. Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 17:04, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
User:MarkBernstein: The only source that comes close to being reliable here is the LSE page for honorary or emeritus professors. It appears clear that Schöpflin was at one time a Lecturer, and that he (and perhaps others) are using “Professor” here as a courtesy title – a custom common in the United States but not, as I understand it, in Britain. MarkBernstein ( talk) 22:08, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
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There is no evidence that a "Kokkalis Fellow" position ever existed at the Harvard Kennedy School, and the only references to the existence of such a position on the internet derive from or reference Gorka's autobiographical claim. Archived pages [3] from Harvard KSG at that time show that a scholarship program was offered under that name, which supported the pursuit of a Master's degree, which Gorka did not apparently receive. "The Socrates Kokkalis Program at Harvard University offers scholarships leading to a Master's degree in Public Policy or Public Administration..." A fellow position and a scholarship are distinct in academic parlance. A scholarship supports a student's tuition, whereas a fellow is typically a credentialed academic or otherwise qualified professional. It's unclear whether Gorka was ever enrolled in a Master's degree program at Harvard that such a scholarship would have supported, and no independent source even addresses that claim. Nevertheless, he does not claim to have a degree from Harvard. According to an archived page, the Kokkalis Program exclusively offered scholarships [4], and no fellow position is mentioned on any archived page. I therefore suggest editing the sentence associated with this credential claim.
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help page).and has ties to the alt-right.[6] The first citation is an opinion piece from WaPo. If you use an opinion piece as fact, you're going to lose credibility. The next three citations are all articles about Bannon with one or two lines of opinion and/or speculation added about Gorka. They're basically a rehash of the same unsubstantiated claims of "ties to the alt-right". That section is written more like a character assassination than a bio. I would really like to see
DknightInFV ( talk) 04:21, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
... are more factual or solid citations/references. Gorka allegedly has ties to "Historical Vitézi Rend",but not to alt-right groups as suggested.
DknightInFV ( talk) 04:25, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
(April 26 2018): Why is this sentence still in the article? It is based on opinion pieces and non relevant pieces.
“Various national security scholars in academic and policymaking circles have characterized Gorka as fringe.”
The above sentence is listed in your article. That is the very DEFINITION of “weasel words” nonsense. Please cite these “Various national security scholars in academic and policymaking circles”...
This is basic... Jepin81 ( talk) 01:40, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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I am proposing a change to the career section. The first two sentences of the last paragraph should be moved up to the previous paragraph so that the timeline will be sequential. They should be moved so that they are after the fourth sentence of that third paragraph. The 2009 to 2013 dates would then be before the 2014 date that is mentioned in the fifth sentence of that third paragraph.
Also I am proposing that the last sentence of the last paragraph should be moved up to the previous paragraph for the same reason. It should be moved so that it is before the sixth sentence of that third paragraph. The 2014 to 2016 dates would then be before the August/2016 date that is mentioned in the sixth sentence of that third paragraph. Wikiperson777 ( talk) 14:03, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
I have a possible solution to the dispute over inclusion of the innuendo from critics in Sebastian Gorka's biography. First, pull up fellow Hungarian born George Soros' wikipedia biography, which reads as if it was collaborated on by the man's mother and PR rep. Second, make sure that both Soros' and Gorka's biographies have the same tone and adherence to verification. If nothing that is not absolutely verified is allowed on Soros' page, then nothing that is not absolutely verified should be allowed on Gorka's page. If Gorka's page includes nazi conspiracy theories, then so should Soros' <redacted>. Adhere to the same principals for both biographies and the disputes should settle themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjekoken ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
The article claims that Gorka worked at the Hungarian Ministry of Defense commencing 1992. Only one source is provided and that is to a Hungarian language news service which does not appear to be a reliable source. Given that there is a suspicion that Gorka himself (or someone close) edits at this article, I feel there ought to be better sourcing. It's noteworthy I think that Gorka's LinkedIn entry, which is otherwise very detailed, doesn't list it as a position held, and in fact there is a gap in his CV 1992 - 1995.
The period in question coincides with the Bosnian Civil War. Any sources linking Gorka with that? 209.160.121.72 ( talk) 19:59, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Gorka's birth date and parental history were sourced by primary sources (a vague apparent reference to court records) and an unreliable database ( [5], which states "We make no warranty whatsoever as to the accuracy or completeness of the FreeBMD data") in violation of WP:DOB and WP:BLPPRIMARY "Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. Unless these facts are widely reported in reliable sources, they should be removed immediately." Thus, I have removed the poorly sourced info. Even if true, they violate WP:BLP. --Animalparty! ( talk) 22:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Look, it's one thing to put the quotes and the accusations of ties to historical Nazism. However, this page should be removed from the official category. This is a serious smear and surely not up to Wikipedia's standards for categorization without legitimate confirmation. Hardloop ( talk) 21:45, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Obviously I'm not going to edit ... but this section
During his time in the Trump administration, Gorka gave a series of combative interviews with the press in which he defended the administration's positions on national security and foreign policy. Various national security scholars in academic and policymaking circles have characterized Gorka as fringe. Some critics have challenged his academic credentials, his views on Islam and radicalization—as well as his motives for identifying with the Order of Vitéz or supporting the EU-banned Hungarian Guard.
has zero citations and seems somewhat lacking in NPOV as a result. You guys sort it out.
119.18.15.193 ( talk) 06:07, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
2601:248:8300:3C30:8178:B16A:7A56:95B9 ( talk) 02:36, 5 August 2018 (UTC)Typical Wikipedia left-wing hatchet job.
A sentence sourced to The Daily Beast [6] about Gorka's 'ban' from Fox News' hard news programming was deleted with the justification "Removing per WP:NOTNEWS, WP:TRIVIA, and WP:CRYSTAL - this is not encyclopedic content, it's gossip" [7]. Again, the content is reliably sourced and is helpful to readers, as it makes clear that Gorka appears on Fox's opinion shows, but not its hard news programs. This is an important distinction. At the very least, the content could be attributed to The Daily Beast. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 19:12, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Is this content going to get re-added or what? No substantive reason has been presented why for why we should not note that Gorka appears on Fox News' opinion shows but not its hard news shows. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 20:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
"One only need look at the case of Sebastian Gorka to see just how far and how petty the media has gone to act as the enforcer of the administrative state. Some in the intelligence community and partisan bureaucracy viewed Gorka unfavorably, resulting in an organized campaign in the press against him."
"The magazine Forward began running poorly sourced articles tying Gorka to a Hungarian order of merit called the Vitézi Rend, which, during World War II, had factions that supported the Hungarian dictator Horthy, the Imperial House of Habsburg, and the Nazi party. Despite no clear evidence, Forward labeled Gorka, in essence, a Nazi. The media ran with that narrative, bolstered by activist campaigns by partisans of the Democratic Party and those opposed to Gorka in the intelligence community."
"In truth, the real objection to Gorka was his view of Islam as a civilizational confrontation and of radical Islam as a hostile force against the West. There as yet remains no evidence of Gorka or his father being tied to the Nazi party in any way — yet that did not stop journalists from surmising on social media that Gorka’s immigration to the United States and status as a U.S. citizen should have been blocked and should be revoked." [1]
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Can someone put www.sebgorka.com on here? -- 2001:8003:4181:4A00:4D2B:AC9C:5456:63A2 ( talk) 09:54, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
I think the nationality as listed in the lede is inaccurate and possibly misleading. Gorka isn't British born, he is a British citizen and has been since birth. He has been an Anglo-Hungarian for 49 years. He was educated in the UK and served in the British military. He has only held additional US citizenship since 2012. It seems clear that his British and Hungarian citizenship are the most important to highlight as he has held them both since birth. He is as British as he is Hungarian. There are several ways this could be expressed.
- Sebastian Lukács Gorka is an Anglo-Hungarian military and intelligence analyst who became a naturalised US citizen in 2012 - Sebastian Lukács Gorka is a British/Hungarian/American military and intelligence analyst - Sebastian Lukács Gorka is a military and intelligence analyst who holds British, Hungarian and US citizenship
Sue De Nimes ( talk) 18:46, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Seconded, Gorka was born, educated in the UK and even joined the UK territorial army; he should I believe therefore be credited as "Anglo American", or if his parentage affords him Hungarian citizenship, then credit him "Anglo/Hungarian American", but clearly his primary citizenship was British, and since 2012 is now US. Indieshack ( talk) 12:47, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
== I agree with the previous comment. The information on Gorka's background is totally confusing. The page says nothing about how he supposedly became a naturalized US citizen. Update this page with this information. It's disturbing that this page exists with information that presently is obviously questionable. 113.53.156.143 ( talk) 00:08, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
This person's page shows absolutely no logical reason why this person should have been considered for natualization. Did he get special treatment at some point? The page shows no connection to the US other than his marrying an America woman prior to his recieving citizenship in 2007. There must be more background information about him. Please update. 203.131.210.82 ( talk) 02:15, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Spouses of US citizens qualify for permanent resident status as immediate relatives. They may become naturalized citizens after three years as a permanent resident. https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/citizenship-through-naturalization/naturalization-spouses-us-citizens — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.98.118.108 ( talk) 12:51, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Just a very minor correction the previous comment which otherwise looks good, "They may become naturalized citizens after three years as a permanent resident" I would just correct to "They may apply to become naturalized citizens after three years as a permanent resident". I know. semantics but it's possibly relevant in the broader picture since Dr. Gorka would have needed to actively apply for citizenship based on being the husband of a US citizen, then pass the citizen's test - it's not a passive process that automatically occurs after three years. Indieshack ( talk) 04:49, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
I understand why some people desire to paint Gorka in a bad light, but I more strenuously object to factual misrepresentation. The last sentence of the intro ends by alleging that Gorka is supporting a banned organization, which he has never done: "Some critics have challenged his . . . supporting the EU-banned Hungarian Guard." The sentence uses a present tense participle with an ongoing, durative sense; i.e., it says that he is now supporting a banned organization. But Gorka did not support a banned organization; two years before it was banned, he gave limited support overtly withholding support for its questionable leadership. Yet propagandists would benefit from misinforming people with the untruthful implication that Gorka supported a banned organization, so the sentence saying it would be defended without concern for truthfulness. I made a very minor edit correcting the incorrect assertion: "supporting the Hungarian Guard years before the EU-banned it." But this correction of an error was immediately undone by User Snooganssnoogans, who seems to have requested an entry on this talk page even though I had explained the simple issue of removing false information by making it correct. So I want the sentence to be corrected so that it no longer falsely says that a banned organization is being (or ever has been) supported by Gorka. Even though it is not sexy enough for those desiring a juicy slur, it is only correct to say that Gorka supported a group with a caveat two years before it was banned. Olorin3k ( talk) 01:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
In an August 2017 interview with MSNBC, Gorka claimed a bomb attack on a Minnesota mosque could have been a false flag operation by unspecified "leftists." https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/08/trump-official-gorka-derided-mosque-attack-claim-170809071507801.html
Two of the perpetrators pled guilty to the attack in January 2019. They were members of a right-wing militia group. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46999849
Suggest adding this information to the article in light of reports Gorka may be taking a leadership role at the Voice of America. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/media/voice-of-america-top-officials-resign/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.98.118.108 ( talk) 09:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
It needs to be noted that the negative reports about this man are from Liberals who dislike his politics. These are not fair edits and WIKIPEDIA needs to make note of this! I try to edit but am blocked. I support WIKI monthly but I’m evaluating my support. Ritakc ( talk) 00:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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Change:- "and received a lower second-class honours (2:2) Bachelor of Arts degree in philosophy and theology from Heythrop College, of the University of London."
To:- "and received a lower second-class honours (2:2) Bachelor of Arts degree in philosophy and theology from Heythrop College, which was a constituent college of the University of London for 47 years before it formally terminated operations on 31 January 2019."
Ref:- /info/en/?search=Heythrop_College,_University_of_London 73.63.182.46 ( talk) 00:37, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
I have some issues with the following sentence in the current lead: "Gorka has written for a variety of publications, is politically conservative[6][7] and has ties to the alt-right,[8][9] though he rejects the term, calling it "bogus" and "a new label for nationalists or irredentist bigots".[10]"
I would suggest either outright deleting the second half of the sentence or at the very least getting rid of the verbatim quotes (the latter would also solve the first issue).
EdgarAllanFrost ( talk) 18:03, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
To add to this article: in January 2022 Gorka sued to block a subpoena for his phone records related to the January 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol. Source 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 00:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
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Addition of criminal vehicular operation involving his Mustang ‘art war’. Proof of evidence will be submitted once edit owes missions are granted SunGodNeverForgets ( talk) 17:55, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
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Under the sections "Politics" the first word is a typo of the name. It says "Gora" and it should say "Gorka". Dheberer ( talk) 06:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Need better citations to make such broad overarching claims. OP-Ed pieces should not be used in this context. It’s completely speculative and opinion rooted. Citation in reference is 10.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/08/10/why-is-sebastian-gorka-still-in-the-white-house-because-trump-loves-his-tv-performances/ 2603:8000:3F01:90CD:F84D:81C8:42B0:C1BD ( talk) 06:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Expansion on who his parents were and particularly his dad would be helpful in the early life section. His dad was a spy who was tortured? Wrote a memoir? Also, his father's name is spelled in an Americanized version is much of the article but in Hungarian in another section. Perhaps we can note the alternative spellings and go with one or the other?
My other suggestion is to include more on his views on Israel. He is accused of affiliations with far-right groups but he also is noted and has supporters among Jews and Israelis for his support for the move of the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem and for his stand against radical Islamic threats. FloridaArmy ( talk) 13:49, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Fuck this guy! 24.139.40.116 ( talk) 08:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Edit ...
Kamala Harris ... "only Qualification was having a vagina and the right skin color"
https://www.nbcrightnow.com/national/morally-reprehensible-sebastian-gorka-sparks-furious-backlash-after-disgusting-kamala-harris-remark/video_d9138c25-c9e9-5b54-9360-45bc79b051bd.html 98.46.117.0 ( talk) 01:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)